[Airbender] The legend of Korra: I am the solution.

Quid

Bethryn wrote:

How much time you've spent bending doesn't determine whether or not you're a world class bender. Katara bested her waterbender tutor despite him having years of practice over her.

When did she best him? She lost the fight with him.

And nothing you posted contradicts the fact that Zuko has never been the best nor is there any reason to think he does become the best.

pyromaniac221

Well once Iroh and the other Order of the Lotus fire guy die, he has a shot at it right? I mean, Ozai is done and it stands to reason that Azula is too batshit crazy to really be effective anymore. I don't think the show gave us any other firebenders of his caliber.

Fireflash

Anyways it's kinda lame when all your main characters are/become the best ever at whatever they do. No Grey's Anatomy cast plz!

wirehead26

Centipede Damascus wrote:

I wonder if the technology will be at a similar level to, say, Fullmetal Alchemist. That could be really cool.

That reminds me of how the whole "fire benders needing a source" COULD have worked in the live action TLA movie if the fire nation had been wearing flint gloves. Of course that would have required a competent director and writer.

Quid

Yes it's entirely possible that Zuko becomes the bestest fire bender in the world.

But all I have said that he currently is not, and there is so far no reason to believe he does become the best.

I'm not sure what's giving people a hard time with this.

HamHamJ

Fireflash wrote:

Anyways it's kinda lame when all your main characters are/become the best ever at whatever they do. No Grey's Anatomy cast plz!

People with PC class levels are better than those without. This is a known fact.

Bethryn

Quid wrote:

When did she best him? She lost the fight with him.

I thought she was more or less beating him until the very end, but maybe I've remembered it wrong.

Quid

Bethryn wrote:

Quid wrote:

When did she best him? She lost the fight with him.

I thought she was more or less beating him until the very end, but maybe I've remembered it wrong.

She put up a great fight and even impressed him but she was never close to beating him.

Edit: Because, as a matter of fact, practice does count for quite a bit as far as bending goes.

DaMoonRulz

Quid wrote:

Yes it's entirely possible that Zuko becomes the bestest fire bender in the world.

But all I have said that he currently is not, and there is so far no reason to believe he does become the best.

I'm not sure what's giving people a hard time with this.

I think the problem is that people are looking at it from two different viewpoints. At the end of the series, no, Zuko is not the best firebender in the world.

However, Zuko would have plenty of time to study under Iroh (assuming his heart doesn't give out) and the renegade general whose name I can't remember, and pretty much anyone he summons as Fire Lord.

Zuko was not the best firebender in the world the last time we saw him, but in the 70yrs since, if he's still alive, he has probably improved.

Quid

He's also probably been busy running a country.

I have no doubt Zuko would have improved, but I don't see him being obsessed with becoming the best like Toph or Azula. Especially not to the point of summoning people to his palace for his own selfish ends. It's not really the kind of person he is.

Quid

Just saw this in SE (HUGE image) http://i.imgur.com/hW5oZ.jpg

So she will at some point pick up a couple guy pals who can fire and earth bend, respectively.

Schrodinger

wirehead26 wrote:

Centipede Damascus wrote:

I wonder if the technology will be at a similar level to, say, Fullmetal Alchemist. That could be really cool.

That reminds me of how the whole "fire benders needing a source" COULD have worked in the live action TLA movie if the fire nation had been wearing flint gloves. Of course that would have required a competent director and writer.

Roy Mustang creates his own fuel using alchemy. Fire Benders in the MNS film can't do that. You may be thinking of Pyro of the X-Men.

Pata

I like how buff Korra is.

Because when you spend your life practicing martial arts you should be, but so many people ignore that on female characters.

RMS Oceanic

Is it okay to be miffed at the "Avatar" name being stripped from it because of a certain film?

emnmnme

Pata wrote:

I like how buff Korra is.

Because when you spend your life practicing martial arts you should be, but so many people ignore that on female characters.

She can rip a phone book in half.

Mr_Rose

Who was her water-bending master?
I rally hope it was Katara because I want to see that rain -> ice spikes thing again.
On the other hand, teaching your dead boyfriend in a girl's body how to waterbend, again, might have gotten a little weird.

pyromaniac221

The guy on the left in that poster looks a little bland. He kind of seems like he would be a random villager in the original series.

Korra looks totally thugged out though. Super excited.

DHS

Mr_Rose wrote:

Who was her water-bending master?
I rally hope it was Katara because I want to see that rain -> ice spikes thing again.
On the other hand, teaching your dead boyfriend in a girl's body how to waterbend, again, might have gotten a little weird.

Well, probably husband by then, and it'd be kinda redundant considering their son is the Airbending master that motivates her coming to the big city. I don't think she'll be alive at that point, if I were to place bets on the likeliest of the main characters to show up as an old person, it'd be Toph. Because old lady Toph would be awesome.

I do hope that there will be flashbacks to the intervening years, I always wonder about characters that have their whole life ahead at the end of a story. Toph would've made one hell of a head of the reformed, less dickish Dai Li.

-Tal

I keep imagining Sokka as a crazy old Doc Brown type character.

Pata

RMS Oceanic wrote:

Is it okay to be miffed at the "Avatar" name being stripped from it because of a certain film?

Very much so, especially since the cartoon came first and is much better.

InkSplat

I'm just curious as to if they are going to address the fact that Aang had the ability to give people Airbending. I really hope we see Airbenders existing, because it'd be long enough for Aang-created Airbenders to have had children who are natural users.

nexuscrawler

Old Toph would be like lady Bumi

Schrodinger

Nerdgasmic

nexuscrawler wrote:

Old Toph would be like lady Bumi

crossed with those old fire nation ladies

Daxon

Super excited about this.

Apparently trailer coming out later today/tomorrow!

Zombiemambo

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

Daxon

Zombiemambo wrote:

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

What makes you think any of these people are alive?

It's 75 years in the future..

edit: oh yeah Bumi survived quite well for a hundred years hmm..

Zombiemambo

Daxon wrote:

Zombiemambo wrote:

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

What makes you think any of these people are alive?

It's 75 years in the future..

edit: oh yeah Bumi survived quite well for a hundred years hmm..

Oh I didn't mean in the new series, just in general. Theoretically some of them could be alive but I seriously doubt it.

Daxon

Zombiemambo wrote:

Daxon wrote:

Zombiemambo wrote:

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

What makes you think any of these people are alive?

It's 75 years in the future..

edit: oh yeah Bumi survived quite well for a hundred years hmm..

Oh I didn't mean in the new series, just in general. Theoretically some of them could be alive but I seriously doubt it.

Oh okay!

Quid

Zombiemambo wrote:

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

And the master leading the rebellion. Someone said avatars tend to learn from the best benders. They then said Zuko is the best bender. I pointed out this is not true.

TNTrooper

Sokka and Toph as old people would be pretty awesome.

Zombiemambo

Quid wrote:

Zombiemambo wrote:

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

And the master leading the rebellion. Someone said avatars tend to learn from the best benders. They then said Zuko is the best bender. I pointed out this is not true.

I thought the series made it pretty clear that

Spoiler:

Zuko was not the best bender and that he struggled his entire life only to be in Azula's shadow. Aang learned from Zuko because no other fire bender would teach him (except for Iroh, maybe?).

Daxon

Zombiemambo wrote:

Quid wrote:

Zombiemambo wrote:

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

And the master leading the rebellion. Someone said avatars tend to learn from the best benders. They then said Zuko is the best bender. I pointed out this is not true.

I thought the series made it pretty clear that

Spoiler:

Zuko was not the best bender and that he struggled his entire life only to be in Azula's shadow. Aang learned from Zuko because no other fire bender would teach him (except for Iroh, maybe?).

Except Zuko probably ended up a better bender because of the whole dragon thing.

Zombiemambo

Daxon wrote:

Zombiemambo wrote:

Quid wrote:

Zombiemambo wrote:

Zuko isn't the best firebender in the world because Ozai, Azula and Iroh exist, but now that Ozai is gone they're probably the best. However, Azula's also incapacitated, leaving Zuko and Iroh. Out of the two, Iroh is better. However, there's no reason to believe Zuko doesn't become as powerful as Ozai eventually. There's no reason not to believe it, either.

And the master leading the rebellion. Someone said avatars tend to learn from the best benders. They then said Zuko is the best bender. I pointed out this is not true.

I thought the series made it pretty clear that

Spoiler:

Zuko was not the best bender and that he struggled his entire life only to be in Azula's shadow. Aang learned from Zuko because no other fire bender would teach him (except for Iroh, maybe?).

Except Zuko probably ended up a better bender because of the whole dragon thing.

Personally I'd imagine he became an excellent fire bender and one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful. But seeing as how this is all pure speculation we'll only know if the next Avatar series reveals any information about him.

-Tal

I would certainly expect the Fire Lord that has made contact with dragons to be pretty high-ranking as a firebender

Quid

Daxon wrote:

Except Zuko probably ended up a better bender because of the whole dragon thing.

It taught him a better method but his sister was still more skilled. He only beat her because she started getting deranged. Up until he saw that he was still certain he would need help.

@Zombie: Yeah pretty much.

Zombiemambo

Somewhere down the line Iroh had to die, which would happen before Zuko would. This would make him the most powerful firebender, even if the title doesn't hold the weight it used to.

Daxon

Quid wrote:

Daxon wrote:

Except Zuko probably ended up a better bender because of the whole dragon thing.

It taught him a better method but his sister was still more skilled. He only beat her because she started getting deranged. Up until he saw that he was still certain he would need help.

@Zombie: Yeah pretty much.

Her skill was a result of her strict emotional control and her control of everything in her environment. Those stresses eventually caused her to crack and fail.

I'd call her a less good bender because it wasn't sustainable in the long-term.

nexuscrawler

I can see zuko getting as good as iroh eventually. Its implied that his struggle with bending is because the rage based style is limited. Hos batred was never as pure as his father or sister so he couldnt match them. But the dragon style is purer

Bethryn

It was more her friends' "betrayal" that caused Azula to go mental, I felt. A friend pointed out that Avatar is one of the rare examples of villains actually having a circle of friends who they protect.

Also, although Zuko was doing well with the dragon-style bending, you could see a lot of his darker, angrier side slipping through when he asks about his mother.