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[Airbender] The legend of Korra: I am the solution.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    oh steve blum

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Oh my god you guys

    you guys

    Amon is (zombie) Jet.

    Blackjack on
  • The_TuninatorThe_Tuninator Registered User regular
    Korra's totally going into a tiebreaker for the championship. Calling it now.

    And I actually think that Amon will be a far more powerful character if he really is telling the truth about his origins.

    First off, that ties his story very closely to that of two of the protagonists, which is nice.

    Secondly, it adds a good deal more weight to why he's doing what he's doing; he has legitimate reason to hate benders. He'll end up taking things too far, naturally, but if he really did lose his family to benders that makes the story much more morally gray, which I like. It turns him from a simple power-grubbing run-of-the-mill asshole into a fanatic whose cause is driven by real ideology.

    Deep villains are, generally speaking, better villains.

    Korra doesn't make as much sense as a tie breaker, since the other team would already know her as the Avatar. Bolin seems a more obvious choice.

    And Amon's origins would make sense if he was doing a vigilante justice movement, but not a "de-bend all benders" movement.

    Oh, I agree if the other team wins the coin toss, but I think the more likely occurrence is that the Fire Ferrets will win the toss and Korra will convince the brothers to trust her. That's got much deeper character ramifications.

    His origins make sense even for a "de-bend all benders" movement; he's simply taking his ideals too far and targeting innocents as well as the guilty. This is something which many fanatics end up doing.

    good ep but amon is monologuing too much

    like his last line "let her go, shes the perfect messenger" would have been better as just "let her go"

    also notice hes railing criminals (and not even killing them), not exactly doctor evil shit

    What I love about Amon is exactly that; he hasn't done Doctor Evil shit yet. I'm sure he'll get up to it, but right now, he really hasn't done anything that distasteful.

    The_Tuninator on
  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! Registered User regular
    It makes sense to de-bend criminals first, because it gets people used to the idea, and they won't object when Amon starts de-bending regular people, or even a non-bender's friend who bends. For example, if my neighbor was a bender, at first I might object to him being de-bended, since I know him and humanize things I know, but once de-bending becomes a thing, I'd presumably start feeling less bad for him.

    Pink Floyd wrote:
    Tell me is something eluding you, sunshine?
    Is this not what you expected to see?
    If you wanna find out what's behind these cold eyes
    You'll just have to claw your way through this disguise.
  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    You know, when you think of it, Ozai was sort of a push over. His powers were amped up a hundred fold, and he still couldn't defeat the youngest Avatar ever.

  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    You know, when you think of it, Ozai was sort of a push over. His powers were amped up a hundred fold, and he still couldn't defeat the youngest Avatar ever.
    That's why they had to make Azula snap. Aang would have been straight up screwed if she was sane and souped up.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades I am the SwarmRegistered User regular
    You know, when you think of it, Ozai was sort of a push over. His powers were amped up a hundred fold, and he still couldn't defeat the youngest Avatar ever.

    Whose powers were also amplified a hundred fold, who had mastery of the other elements, and the experience/power of a thousand other benders all combined within him.

    Really, it's a wonder Ozai lasted as long as he did.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Blackjack wrote: »
    You know, when you think of it, Ozai was sort of a push over. His powers were amped up a hundred fold, and he still couldn't defeat the youngest Avatar ever.
    That's why they had to make Azula snap. Aang would have been straight up screwed if she was sane and souped up.

    Ozai seemed to be a better Firebender than Azula IMO. She'd have made Aang work for a win, but not as much as Ozai did.

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    So, Amon had contact with the spirit world (according to him) and doesn't have a face.

    Koh the Face Stealer, anyone?

    That might be where he learned how to pseudo energy-bend.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Raynaga wrote: »
    Except that refining fire to the point of a lightning bolt isn't a logic-based leap, its a skill-based one. As shown by Zuko, one of the best firebenders on the planet, never being able to do it despite hands-on training by one of the inventors of the technique.

    I don't know - I like the show overall so far and I don't want to drag this into a nitpick-fest, it just kind of stood out and bothered me a tad.

    It was stressed by Iroh that it's not just a matter of skill to create lightning, but emotion and spiritual balance. And again as to the rarity, look at the only people in the world (at the time) capable of training others in an exceedingly dangerous technique. Two are narcissistic sociopaths and the third worked under them until only shortly before their end. There wasn't exactly an abundance of teachers.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    MrDapper wrote: »
    From the SE++ Korra thread, thought you guys might like this.
    Spoiler:

    And this is just outstanding. The amount of detail put in to this series is outstanding.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • MrDapperMrDapper Post Bud There ain't no ruleRegistered User regular
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    So, Amon had contact with the spirit world (according to him) and doesn't have a face.

    Koh the Face Stealer, anyone?

    That might be where he learned how to pseudo energy-bend.

    He has eyes, victims of Koh don't have anything.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Raynaga wrote: »
    Except that refining fire to the point of a lightning bolt isn't a logic-based leap, its a skill-based one. As shown by Zuko, one of the best firebenders on the planet, never being able to do it despite hands-on training by one of the inventors of the technique.

    I don't know - I like the show overall so far and I don't want to drag this into a nitpick-fest, it just kind of stood out and bothered me a tad.

    It was stressed by Iroh that it's not just a matter of skill to create lightning, but emotion and spiritual balance. And again as to the rarity, look at the only people in the world (at the time) capable of training others in an exceedingly dangerous technique. Two are narcissistic sociopaths and the third worked under them until only shortly before their end. There wasn't exactly an abundance of teachers.

    Not back then. 70 years is a long time to share those techniques with many students and then they're share it with others etc.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Raynaga wrote: »
    Except that refining fire to the point of a lightning bolt isn't a logic-based leap, its a skill-based one. As shown by Zuko, one of the best firebenders on the planet, never being able to do it despite hands-on training by one of the inventors of the technique.

    I don't know - I like the show overall so far and I don't want to drag this into a nitpick-fest, it just kind of stood out and bothered me a tad.

    It was stressed by Iroh that it's not just a matter of skill to create lightning, but emotion and spiritual balance. And again as to the rarity, look at the only people in the world (at the time) capable of training others in an exceedingly dangerous technique. Two are narcissistic sociopaths and the third worked under them until only shortly before their end. There wasn't exactly an abundance of teachers.

    Not back then. 70 years is a long time to share those techniques with many students and then they're share it with others etc.

    Sure. Which is why it doesn't bug me that it's far more commonplace now. Lightning bending wasn't rare because of sheer difficulty. It was monopolization of knowledge and training along with it being exceedingly dangerous to self teach.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    I'm not sure Amon is even necessarily a bad guy. Dude does have a pretty valid point. The existence of benders basically makes their society a caste system.

    If I were a betting man, I'd bet that there is some other force at work that will cause Korra and friends to form a wary alliance with the Equalists.

  • TeaSpoonTeaSpoon Registered User regular
    MrDapper wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    So, Amon had contact with the spirit world (according to him) and doesn't have a face.

    Koh the Face Stealer, anyone?

    That might be where he learned how to pseudo energy-bend.

    He has eyes, victims of Koh don't have anything.

    Maybe having his face burned off allowed him to survive his encounter with Koh and make a deal with him. Maybe he's Koh's mortal avatar, a sort of anti-Avatar.

    Obviously, there is no compelling evidence, but I strongly associate the combination of spirit world and no face with Koh.

    I just want to post this as physical evidence, in case my conjecture should be proven correct later this year.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Qingu wrote: »
    I'm not sure Amon is even necessarily a bad guy. Dude does have a pretty valid point. The existence of benders basically makes their society a caste system.

    If I were a betting man, I'd bet that there is some other force at work that will cause Korra and friends to form a wary alliance with the Equalists.

    A villain can still be a villain despite having beliefs or goals that are sympathetic to the audience. That's what makes Magneto such a great character.

    Harry Dresden on
  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    Is true. I just wonder if we're being thrown for a rope-a-dope. The show sets him up as a classic (if complex) villain: he has an evil mask, he has "Meanwhile in the evil castle" scenes where he hatches his plans with henchmen ... Korra and co. instantly treat him like a villain without thinking it through. It could be all be a setup, playing with the audience's expectations.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Qingu wrote: »
    Is true. I just wonder if we're being thrown for a rope-a-dope. The show sets him up as a classic (if complex) villain: he has an evil mask, he has "Meanwhile in the evil castle" scenes where he hatches his plans with henchmen ... Korra and co. instantly treat him like a villain without thinking it through. It could be all be a setup, playing with the audience's expectations.

    That's certainly possible.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Fact: Meelo is deeply unsatisfied with his father's teachings.
    Fact: Meelo has participated in the wanton destruction of bender training equipment.
    Fact: You never see Amon and Meelo in the same place together.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Fact: Meelo is deeply unsatisfied with his father's teachings.
    Fact: Meelo has participated in the wanton destruction of bender training equipment.
    Fact: You never see Amon and Meelo in the same place together.
    And the mask disguises the shape of his head.


    Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
    get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
    have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    MrDapper wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    So, Amon had contact with the spirit world (according to him) and doesn't have a face.

    Koh the Face Stealer, anyone?

    That might be where he learned how to pseudo energy-bend.

    He has eyes, victims of Koh don't have anything.

    Maybe having his face burned off allowed him to survive his encounter with Koh and make a deal with him. Maybe he's Koh's mortal avatar, a sort of anti-Avatar.

    Obviously, there is no compelling evidence, but I strongly associate the combination of spirit world and no face with Koh.

    I just want to post this as physical evidence, in case my conjecture should be proven correct later this year.

    Or maybe Koh isn't involved at all and dude just wears a mask.

  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

    Batman is a villain?

  • QinguQingu Registered User regular
    Oh and I would just like to take a poast to express how friggin' awesome this damn show is. Jeez! When I was growing up all we had were He-Man and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The bad guys cackled maniacally and action scenes consisted of a couple of frames of poorly drawn animation and flashing lights. Do kids today know how spoiled they are?

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

    Batman is a villain?

    In fairness, I know that I personally have actually argued that to no end.

    But I do hope that Amon continues to be sympathetic throughout the series as well as the central antagonist.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

    Batman is a villain?

    In fairness, I know that I personally have actually argued that to no end.

    But I do hope that Amon continues to be sympathetic throughout the series as well as the central antagonist.

    Continues?

  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    MrDapper wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    So, Amon had contact with the spirit world (according to him) and doesn't have a face.

    Koh the Face Stealer, anyone?

    That might be where he learned how to pseudo energy-bend.

    He has eyes, victims of Koh don't have anything.

    Maybe having his face burned off allowed him to survive his encounter with Koh and make a deal with him. Maybe he's Koh's mortal avatar, a sort of anti-Avatar.

    Obviously, there is no compelling evidence, but I strongly associate the combination of spirit world and no face with Koh.

    I just want to post this as physical evidence, in case my conjecture should be proven correct later this year.

    Or maybe Koh isn't involved at all and dude just wears a mask.

    My bet is that there's more than one Amon. Not necessarily, like, evil twins or anything, but if you're wearing a friggin' mask all the time anyway, all you need to be is a good mimic.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

    Batman is a villain?

    In fairness, I know that I personally have actually argued that to no end.

    But I do hope that Amon continues to be sympathetic throughout the series as well as the central antagonist.

    Continues?

    I find his methods extreme but I don't blame him in the slightest for his discontent.

    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • Alucard6986Alucard6986 Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

    Batman is a villain?

    In fairness, I know that I personally have actually argued that to no end.

    But I do hope that Amon continues to be sympathetic throughout the series as well as the central antagonist.

    hmm, I suppose it's possible that all the equalist stuff could be done by the end of the first season and then the second season would be something else entirely...

    ..or maybe the season finale is a total downer ending ala The Crossroads of Destiny (Book 2 finale).

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  • ShadowenShadowen Registered User regular
    Korra's totally going into a tiebreaker for the championship. Calling it now.

    And I actually think that Amon will be a far more powerful character if he really is telling the truth about his origins.

    First off, that ties his story very closely to that of two of the protagonists, which is nice.

    Secondly, it adds a good deal more weight to why he's doing what he's doing; he has legitimate reason to hate benders. He'll end up taking things too far, naturally, but if he really did lose his family to benders that makes the story much more morally gray, which I like. It turns him from a simple power-grubbing run-of-the-mill asshole into a fanatic whose cause is driven by real ideology.

    Deep villains are, generally speaking, better villains.

    Korra doesn't make as much sense as a tie breaker, since the other team would already know her as the Avatar. Bolin seems a more obvious choice.

    Compare, say, a champion mixed martial artist with someone from SEAL Team 6. Sure, on the street the SEAL might be able to kill the MMA champion inside of five seconds with his bare hands, but if you put him in a cage and he has to abide by the rules of MMA he's probably gonna lose badly or get DQ'd.

    Yeah, she's the Avatar; she's also "that girl who sucks at probending and the only thing she can really do well is dodge".

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

    Batman is a villain?

    In fairness, I know that I personally have actually argued that to no end.

    But I do hope that Amon continues to be sympathetic throughout the series as well as the central antagonist.

    Continues?

    I find his methods extreme but I don't blame him in the slightest for his discontent.

    Same here, but I haven't seen anything so far to prove he's a character that isn't a straight up villain yet. It's to early to tell IMO. His origin story is just a story until it's revealed exactly what happened. Random Equalists, like the guy Korra beat up for information, have my sympathy though. YMMV.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Anyone who has masked kung-fu masters for henchmen is a bad guy.

    Batman is a villain?

    In fairness, I know that I personally have actually argued that to no end.

    But I do hope that Amon continues to be sympathetic throughout the series as well as the central antagonist.

    Continues?

    I find his methods extreme but I don't blame him in the slightest for his discontent.

    Same here, but I haven't seen anything so far to prove he's a character that isn't a straight up villain yet. It's to early to tell IMO. His origin story is just a story until it's revealed exactly what happened. Random Equalists, like the guy Korra beat up for information, have my sympathy though. YMMV.

    Yeah, I don't get this whole "take the antagonist at his word" thing. I mean, it's one thing for the antagonist to be revealed to be sympathetic later on (Zuko). It's quite another for the antagonist to give a sob story from day one that turns out to be true.

    Also, Korra really isn't helping the cause by beating up on people. She really needs an airbender sidekick to calm her down.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Shadowen wrote: »
    Compare, say, a champion mixed martial artist with someone from SEAL Team 6. Sure, on the street the SEAL might be able to kill the MMA champion inside of five seconds with his bare hands, but if you put him in a cage and he has to abide by the rules of MMA he's probably gonna lose badly or get DQ'd.

    Yeah, she's the Avatar; she's also "that girl who sucks at probending and the only thing she can really do well is dodge".

    Except tie breaker allows for grappling.

  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    MrDapper wrote: »
    TeaSpoon wrote: »
    So, Amon had contact with the spirit world (according to him) and doesn't have a face.

    Koh the Face Stealer, anyone?

    That might be where he learned how to pseudo energy-bend.

    He has eyes, victims of Koh don't have anything.
    Wait, do we see his eyes? I just remember seeing the black slits in the mask with no actual eyes.

    I'm sticking with zombie Jet. He made a deal with Koh to come back to life and is now anti-all bending. (I am only like 9% serious)

    Blackjack on
  • MrDapperMrDapper Post Bud There ain't no ruleRegistered User regular
  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    He does in fact blink a few times (his eyelids are the same color as the paint around his eyes on his mask). Assuming it's not just shadow, anyway.

    So, the skin of his eyelids is a strange color, or he's got some crazy clever trick to convince people he's blinking (false eyes and levers and stuff). Oh, and sonar.

    Pretty crazy either way.

    He's an energy bender, and his fake eye lids are made of energy.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Registered User regular
    He does in fact blink a few times (his eyelids are the same color as the paint around his eyes on his mask). Assuming it's not just shadow, anyway.

    So, the skin of his eyelids is a strange color, or he's got some crazy clever trick to convince people he's blinking (false eyes and levers and stuff). Oh, and sonar.

    Pretty crazy either way.

    Synthesis on
    Orca wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote:
    Isn't "Your sarcasm makes me wet," the highest compliment an Abh can pay a human?

    Only if said Abh is a member of the nobility.
  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    I have no real reason to disbelieve Amon other than the fact that he's the antagonist. I do doubt his story to a degree, but not his motives. Though it's not Amon himself that makes me believe that so much as the people behind the series.
    Synthesis wrote: »
    So, the skin of his eyelids is a strange color, or he's got some crazy clever trick to convince people he's blinking (false eyes and levers and stuff).

    Or, you know, face paint.

    Quid on
    If that woman's cleavedge made one more person pick the game up off the shelf, it was a net positive for microprose. And to be blunt, if taking her top off could have increased sales enough to get a sequel, I'd endorse it 100000% because I like playing great games.
  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    Speaking of eyes. Was re-watching yesterday's episode, and during the training bits, Bolin's eyes are shown to be (very) green. His brother has red eyes (which is kind of weird), and Korra's eyes are light blue-green. Jumping to the end, Tenzin's eyes are almost grey.

    Looking at Tenzin's children Jinora (the elder daughter) has brownish-red eyes, while Ikki and Meelo have pale grey.

    I don't really remember eye color being used much in TLA, but this looks like the different nations have dominant eye colors, which is kind of cool.

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