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The New Comic Thread for Monday 7/8/11

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  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I played the crap out of Diablo 2.

    ... and I never played it online. That was a time in my life when I was exceedingly skeptical of online gaming.

    I played it with friends in a LAN setup a few times though.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    nearly the entirety of my PC games are through Steam

    which is actually like, over $1100 worth of games

    so always-online DRM is something i could give not a single fuck about

    if my ISP shits out on me, I got bigger problems to bitch about than "I CAN'T PLAY DIABLO 3"

    especially since I could even give less of a fuck about D3's single player

    battle.net or get out

  • ShenShen Go placidly amid the noise and haste Registered User regular
    I like that there is some sort of arena-like PvP mode while at the same time the VP of game design is saying that the game isn't really designed for competitive play.

    Always online DRM is incredibly obnoxious, speaking as someone who used to be borderline frothing at the mouth during extended maintenance on WoW patch days.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    It's just really amazingly annoying to be playing a game that is pretty much a single player experience, and then your internet connection burps or flickers and whoops now you're kicked off and you lost your save awesome.

    edit: can't you play steam games offline? I'm pretty sure you can.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    yeah I have to say this dosen't bother me since if I play Diablo 3 I'm going to be playing it online.

    I'm sure there are people who are interested in or even care only about the single player experience.. but I have to imagine that is a pretty fucking tiny segment of the D3 audience.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Balefuego wrote:
    yeah I have to say this dosen't bother me since if I play Diablo 3 I'm going to be playing it online.

    I'm sure there are people who are interested in or even care only about the single player experience.. but I have to imagine that is a pretty fucking tiny segment of the D3 audience.

    yeah it seems very much like a fake thing to bitch about

    who actually gave a shit about D2's single-player? Who are these mythical, non-battle.net people? I want to meet them.

    Diablo 3 is basically like a MMO at this point, might as well accept it.

    "OH BUT MY CONNECTION COULD DIE AND THEN MY SAVED GAME IS LOST"

    how is that different than playing multiplayer anything and your connection poops out

    besides, do you really think they'd institute a system where if your connection is lost it IMMEDIATELY SHUTS DOWN EVERYTHING and it can't possibly save oh god my three hours of work

    I'm sorry no

    bitch at me when Civ VI has online-full-time-DRM shit for singleplayer

  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    I dont think any of my "offline" characters ever made it out of Act 2 in Diablo 2

    the game was p. boring playing that way

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    not even very far in Act 2 either

    like, I think maybe one of them made it past the sewers

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    I tried single-player Hardcore in Diablo 2 once

    I figured multiplayer Hardcore would be impossible due to some lag hiccup getting me killed

    but nope

    didn't even make it out of Act I, Rakanishu got me

  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    Pony wrote:
    if my ISP shits out on me, I got bigger problems to bitch about than "I CAN'T PLAY DIABLO 3"

    Y'know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone put it this way when always-on DRM is being discussed. "OMG IF MY NET GOES OUT I CAN'T PLAY." You shouldn't have a problem with the companies for having always on DRM, you should have a problem with your ISP because not there's a lot of other shit you can't be doing.

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  • Rock Lobster!Rock Lobster! Registered User regular
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    like, my home phone line runs through my ISP

    if my ISP takes a shit, my home phone stops working

    so uh

    yeah no bitching that I can't play Diablo 3 would not be high on my list of things to be pissed about at that moment.

  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

  • Onslaught_FeiOnslaught_Fei Registered User
    I'm in favor of always on online DRM.

    Yup.

    I'm a commie.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Hunter wrote:
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

    No we know, but you're still having to be online to play a single player game. It's just tedius if you have a crappy connection.

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Honestly if my computer isn't constantly online when I am using it

    I consider it a problem that needs immediate troubleshooting, even if I'm just playing Fallout New Vegas or typing in Word

  • A steak!A steak! Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited August 2011
    Ah, the classic "this is in no way a problem for me so I don't know what you're bitching about" argument.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    Hunter wrote:
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

    No we know, but you're still having to be online to play a single player game. It's just tedius if you have a crappy connection.

    Look you may be playing it by yourself, but Diablo has not been an actual single player game since the first one. It is a multiplayer game

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Yeah, Duck's right. The geese that are insisting the game is inherently multiplayer or that they're always online so everyone else should always be online are being stunningly myopic.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Balefuego wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    Hunter wrote:
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

    No we know, but you're still having to be online to play a single player game. It's just tedius if you have a crappy connection.

    Look you may be playing it by yourself, but Diablo has not been an actual single player game since the first one. It is a multiplayer game

    But I hate people

  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Also I almost strictly played D2 single player.

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  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    Druhim wrote:
    Also I almost strictly played D2 single player.

    I did, too. It wasn't really that fun online.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Balefuego wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    Hunter wrote:
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

    No we know, but you're still having to be online to play a single player game. It's just tedius if you have a crappy connection.

    Look you may be playing it by yourself, but Diablo has not been an actual single player game since the first one. It is a multiplayer game

    The same argument could be said of the Warcraft RTS games, but I know a LOT of people who don't enjoy the multiplayer at all.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    But the game is inherently multiplayer, and Blizzard is clearly designing it around the fact. I'm not saying people can't prefer to play the game by themselves or wish it wasn't set up like this but Pony wasn't wrong when he said this game was basically a mini MMO. You can play WOW by yourself too but you still need to be online to do it.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2011
    Balefuego wrote:
    But the game is inherently multiplayer, and Blizzard is clearly designing it around the fact. I'm not saying people can't prefer to play the game by themselves or wish it wasn't set up like this but Pony wasn't wrong when he said this game was basically a mini MMO. You can play WOW by yourself too but you still need to be online to do it.

    I don't see how forcing you to be online equals the game being inherently multiplayer. You're using the DRM to justify its own existence in a circular argument. And no, you can't play WoW by yourself. You are forced to play in the same world as everyone else on a given server. That's a terrible comparison.

    Druhim on
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  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    Balefuego wrote:
    But the game is inherently multiplayer, and Blizzard is clearly designing it around the fact. I'm not saying people can't prefer to play the game by themselves or wish it wasn't set up like this but Pony wasn't wrong when he said this game was basically a mini MMO. You can play WOW by yourself too but you still need to be online to do it.

    It's fair to say that Diablo III is inherently a multiplayer game, especially because you must be online even to play single-player, but Diablo II? Not so much.

  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Javen wrote:
    Balefuego wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    Hunter wrote:
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

    No we know, but you're still having to be online to play a single player game. It's just tedius if you have a crappy connection.

    Look you may be playing it by yourself, but Diablo has not been an actual single player game since the first one. It is a multiplayer game

    The same argument could be said of the Warcraft RTS games, but I know a LOT of people who don't enjoy the multiplayer at all.

    That is still different because the Warcraft games had specific separate campaigns for single player. But even in that case, doesn't Starcraft 2 require you to login to bnet also?

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Langly wrote:
    Hunter wrote:
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

    No we know, but you're still having to be online to play a single player game. It's just tedius if you have a crappy connection.

    But that's not what his complaint was. He was complaining about inconveniencing other people by needing breaks or having bowel movements, which is not an issue because you can clearly play solo. Yes you have to be online, but you can play solo.

  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Druhim wrote:
    Yeah, Duck's right. The geese that are insisting the game is inherently multiplayer or that they're always online so everyone else should always be online are being stunningly myopic.

    Well yeah, that's stupid. My point was that people can still play solo if they're wall flowers or worry about how their organic body functions might interrupt the group play dynamic.

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Balefuego wrote:
    Javen wrote:
    Balefuego wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    Hunter wrote:
    Pony wrote:
    Langly wrote:
    I

    I play single player :(

    Holy shit kids look

    a unicorn!

    why don't you just play Torchlight

    Because maybe they like the specific quirks of Diablo gameplay and the storyline and like being able to take breaks whenever they feel like it without inconveniencing other people?

    You can still play solo.

    Create game --> Set password --> Don't share password

    No we know, but you're still having to be online to play a single player game. It's just tedius if you have a crappy connection.

    Look you may be playing it by yourself, but Diablo has not been an actual single player game since the first one. It is a multiplayer game

    The same argument could be said of the Warcraft RTS games, but I know a LOT of people who don't enjoy the multiplayer at all.

    That is still different because the Warcraft games had specific separate campaigns for single player. But even in that case, doesn't Starcraft 2 require you to login to bnet also?

    No, you only need to connect once to install the game. After that you can go totally offline forever if you want.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Druhim wrote:
    Balefuego wrote:
    But the game is inherently multiplayer, and Blizzard is clearly designing it around the fact. I'm not saying people can't prefer to play the game by themselves or wish it wasn't set up like this but Pony wasn't wrong when he said this game was basically a mini MMO. You can play WOW by yourself too but you still need to be online to do it.

    I don't see how forcing you to be online equals the game being inherently multiplayer. You're using the DRM to justify its own existence in a circular argument. And no, you can't play WoW by yourself. You are forced to play in the same world as everyone else on a given server. That's a terrible comparison.

    Being forced to be online is not what makes the game inherently multiplayer, the gameplay being designed as a multiplayer role based co-op dungeon crawler with tradable loot is what makes the game inherently multiplayer.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Considering how many lag issues people run into just within our little group of fighting game connoisseurs I can understand why some people who intended to play by themselves would be pissed off. I wasn't into doing solo "Meph runs" or other forms of farming in D2 but a lot of people were and this could cut down on that ability considerably.

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  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Balefuego wrote:
    Druhim wrote:
    Balefuego wrote:
    But the game is inherently multiplayer, and Blizzard is clearly designing it around the fact. I'm not saying people can't prefer to play the game by themselves or wish it wasn't set up like this but Pony wasn't wrong when he said this game was basically a mini MMO. You can play WOW by yourself too but you still need to be online to do it.

    I don't see how forcing you to be online equals the game being inherently multiplayer. You're using the DRM to justify its own existence in a circular argument. And no, you can't play WoW by yourself. You are forced to play in the same world as everyone else on a given server. That's a terrible comparison.

    Being forced to be online is not what makes the game inherently multiplayer, the gameplay being designed as a multiplayer role based co-op dungeon crawler with tradable loot is what makes the game inherently multiplayer.

    You're being silly. Can I play and beat the game single player? Then it's also single player.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    No, you only need to connect once to install the game. After that you can go totally offline forever if you want.

    oh did it?

    hm, that's interesting

    all these games with offline modes I didn't even know about until recently

    if we're too far behind / and really out of time / is there another world they plan to find?
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  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    If the single-player and multi-player are identical content-wise, I don't see how that makes the game inherently multi-player.

    There was nothing different about Diablo II online than offline, other than people being dickheads entering my game to try to kill me.

  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    In fact, in the first Diablo, single-player was arguably better than the multi-player because the quests weren't static.

  • The Sneak!The Sneak! Registered User regular
    Druhim wrote:
    Balefuego wrote:
    Druhim wrote:
    Balefuego wrote:
    But the game is inherently multiplayer, and Blizzard is clearly designing it around the fact. I'm not saying people can't prefer to play the game by themselves or wish it wasn't set up like this but Pony wasn't wrong when he said this game was basically a mini MMO. You can play WOW by yourself too but you still need to be online to do it.

    I don't see how forcing you to be online equals the game being inherently multiplayer. You're using the DRM to justify its own existence in a circular argument. And no, you can't play WoW by yourself. You are forced to play in the same world as everyone else on a given server. That's a terrible comparison.

    Being forced to be online is not what makes the game inherently multiplayer, the gameplay being designed as a multiplayer role based co-op dungeon crawler with tradable loot is what makes the game inherently multiplayer.

    You're being silly. Can I play and beat the game single player? Then it's also single player.

    I think what he's trying to say is that Blizzard is putting more effort into the multi-player aspect than they are with single-player?

  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User
    It's funny, I've shifted so much on this topic over the years

    During the original Steam release I was still on dial-up, and things like forced updates (which are only just being addressed, years later) and constant online presence were, unsurprisingly, something I resented hugely

    The idea of this all pervasive (and invasive) DRM bogeyman looming over everything I played was a horrible injustice

    But in practise once I'd secured a broadband connection and a few of the kinks were ironed out, it ended up being a fantastic platform that I've thrown obscene amounts of money at.

    That said, when my ISP fails Steam’s offline mode has never ever worked for me. Not once.

    And recently I’ve been locked out of my account but that’s an entirely different matter. I just hope to god I can reclaim it

    I forget my point, but I think it's that just because some of us are okay with this kind of DRM, I can entirely appreciate why others consider it a giant pain in the arse.

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