I don't even really understand why people consider Diablo 2 to be such a dark game, it really wasn't. I think part of the reason is the graphical abilities back then left most things in the world looking like smudged shit.
Go look at some screenshots of Diablo 2, lots of color. Diablo 1 was a darker game but thats because the levels consisted of a dark cave, an even darker cave and then an even darker cave with flames.
It's not exactly hard to see that theres multiple skin colors/faces, the glare isn't any different across the entire image. I don't care if they decide to actually use colors but all of the gear goes from nice looking to gaudy plate pimp armor.
EDIT: It doesn't have to look like anything in WoW to be following the same general design scheme either.
For some reason, I can't take fashion critiques from a videogame subforum seriously.
You leave me and my Rogues Do It From Behind shirt out of this, sir! I'll have you know that the fetching Mass Effect N7 shirt I wore in today is the crown jewel of gaming fashion!
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Just add an option to turn on blood/dirt/ash splatters like in the new MK. You start out each game clean, then get progressively grimier as you murder things.
Or turn it off and get a better framerate.
I sort of love this idea.
Pure gleaming armor at first when you leave town, then you TP back to town after killing monsters all splattered in gore and monster parts? fuck yes
and there's like soot marks and ash all over if you used fire or lightning, maybe a thin layer of frost or condensation on your metal armor/gauntlets if you used ice. dripping poison kills the grass under your feet when you're idle.
I don't even really understand why people consider Diablo 2 to be such a dark game, it really wasn't. I think part of the reason is the graphical abilities back then left most things in the world looking like smudged shit.
Go look at some screenshots of Diablo 2, lots of color. Diablo 1 was a darker game but thats because the levels consisted of a dark cave, an even darker cave and then an even darker cave with flames.
This. There's constantly all kinds of fire and lightning and purple stuff and white globs and green globs being thrown around. Plus all the wackily colored gear, monsters/players turning blue when slowed/frozen. Definitely not as atmospheric as the first game, but the wild colors served a purpose as a useful visual indicator. D2 was not at all that dark.
Like I try hard to understand why people don't like certain clothes or set pieces in game, but then I see those same people wearing New Balance sneakers with khaki shorts. How can I reconcile this cognitive dissonance?
That picture with the three tiers on the last page for Wizard, Demon Hunter and Monk.
The Monk Tier 3 is just rediculous. Do not like it. Sort of the same color scheme as the original Sorceror, but the design turns me off.
The Demon Hunter goes from looking cool as shit, to covering up their cool as shit look.
The Wizard gets better as they go up in tier in my opinion. The Helm on Tier 3 could use a little trimming, but the armor I feel fits the personality of the Wizard.
Glad I decided to play a Wizard first so many years ago.
They made the Judgement armor many many many many years ago, and they just released the transmogrify thing. The first pictures they show? People changing the fucking ugly armor released lately into that armor because none have looked nearly as good as that.
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The beta cannot come soon enough. I'm sick to death of people debating over things like the color palettes. That was so 2008. (Yes, I looked it up. It was that long ago.)
The beta cannot come soon enough. I'm sick to death of people debating over things like the color palettes. That was so 2008. (Yes, I looked it up. It was that long ago.)
Agreed. Debates over color palettes and general "not being diablo enough" conversation makes me wait to read this thread so I can skip to find actual info instead of dumb nerd complaints from people who will be buying the game day 1.
My hope is that Inferno difficulty will be as much a test of skill as it is of gear. Because Diablo 2... well, it didn't exactly go that way with it, Hardcore notwithstanding.
The beta cannot come soon enough. I'm sick to death of people debating over things like the color palettes. That was so 2008. (Yes, I looked it up. It was that long ago.)
Good thing it wasn't about color palettes. The first post about not liking the armor was relating to design of it. Diablo in general was always more down to earth designs than WoW.
The down to earth comment was literally a quote from a Simpsons episode that was a response to all the kids wanting every idea ever implemented into Itchy & Scratchy. It was a joke that somehow mutated into this discussion.
Color is often key to the way design is received. It's not so easy to disentangle them like that. I would wager fewer people would take issue with, for example, the high tier female monk armor if it was shown with more naturalistic materials (brown leather and trim, steely gray metal) instead of a high-saturation bright red dye and bright silver.
So what's the problem again? Armor gets fancy as it gets more powerful? Not grimdark enough? This shit might be tame compared to the rest of the world and enemies/NPCs. It's certainly got nothing on WoW.
Mmmm, how I love them strawmans. Of course I was expecting this, what, with that guy linking the PA comic last page.
I also like how nothing is ever allowed to have a dark atmosphere anymore without being labelled "grimdark". Diablo came out before Gears of War and all those shit games, it came out before "grimdark" was even a thing.
So what's the problem again? Armor gets fancy as it gets more powerful? Not grimdark enough? This shit might be tame compared to the rest of the world and enemies/NPCs. It's certainly got nothing on WoW.
Mmmm, how I love them strawmans. Of course I was expecting this, what, with that guy linking the PA comic last page.
I also like how nothing is ever allowed to have a dark atmosphere anymore without being labelled "grimdark". Diablo came out before Gears of War and all those shit games, it came out before "grimdark" was even a thing.
I don't really need to follow your link to know what you are talking about. I have Rogue Trader, its actually quite silly and far more blatant parody than later releases. 2nd edition is the opposite of dark, though its moderately grim.
I don't even really understand why people consider Diablo 2 to be such a dark game, it really wasn't. I think part of the reason is the graphical abilities back then left most things in the world looking like smudged shit.
Go look at some screenshots of Diablo 2, lots of color. Diablo 1 was a darker game but thats because the levels consisted of a dark cave, an even darker cave and then an even darker cave with flames.
Diablo 1/2's characters and monsters have always been colorful and cartoonish. Some people seem to be confusing the more serious atmosphere and story/VA tone of Diablo 1/2 with the art direction.
That some of the outfits tended to be conservative and a bit simplistic as compared to some of the D3 sets can likely be attributed as much to technological limitations (and the time costs those limitations imposed) of Diablo 1/2 as art direction. To be honest if Diablo 3 was filled with 18 different types of bland leather/mail/plate combinations I'd probably be pretty pissed.
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Go look at some screenshots of Diablo 2, lots of color. Diablo 1 was a darker game but thats because the levels consisted of a dark cave, an even darker cave and then an even darker cave with flames.
EDIT: It doesn't have to look like anything in WoW to be following the same general design scheme either.
EDIT2: This website also doesn't have the gamma/brightness cranked up http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/Modenschau/index.php
EDIT3: Here's more for fun. What the games actually looked like without pants on head video settings.
You leave me and my Rogues Do It From Behind shirt out of this, sir! I'll have you know that the fetching Mass Effect N7 shirt I wore in today is the crown jewel of gaming fashion!
I sort of love this idea.
Pure gleaming armor at first when you leave town, then you TP back to town after killing monsters all splattered in gore and monster parts?
fuck yes
and there's like soot marks and ash all over if you used fire or lightning, maybe a thin layer of frost or condensation on your metal armor/gauntlets if you used ice. dripping poison kills the grass under your feet when you're idle.
"So, you want a realistic, down-to-earth show... that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots?"
"So you want the sequel to diablo 2 to be like diablo 2? Well thats just stupid."
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This. There's constantly all kinds of fire and lightning and purple stuff and white globs and green globs being thrown around. Plus all the wackily colored gear, monsters/players turning blue when slowed/frozen. Definitely not as atmospheric as the first game, but the wild colors served a purpose as a useful visual indicator. D2 was not at all that dark.
And through your apathy, Activlizzard will steal our moneys while making horrible games.
The Monk Tier 3 is just rediculous. Do not like it. Sort of the same color scheme as the original Sorceror, but the design turns me off.
The Demon Hunter goes from looking cool as shit, to covering up their cool as shit look.
The Wizard gets better as they go up in tier in my opinion. The Helm on Tier 3 could use a little trimming, but the armor I feel fits the personality of the Wizard.
Glad I decided to play a Wizard first so many years ago.
Im just not feeling the demon hunters looks beyond the first though
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Agreed. Debates over color palettes and general "not being diablo enough" conversation makes me wait to read this thread so I can skip to find actual info instead of dumb nerd complaints from people who will be buying the game day 1.
Good thing it wasn't about color palettes. The first post about not liking the armor was relating to design of it. Diablo in general was always more down to earth designs than WoW.
My Druid would be forever wearing Cenarion shoulder lookalikes.
-Z
In the context of armor designs. Do you read anything before you post?
Well, it might be something I've just forgot about, due to Alzheimer, or whatever old folks get. I've made Diablo screenshots before, after all.
Seriously though, if you're buffalo wings come labeled 'Nightmare' and 'Hell' you may want stop going to sports bars with Faust.
Origin: Viycktor
I think you're a little too into buffalo wings if upon hearing "Inferno" your first thought goes to them. Just saying. :P
Name it "Succubus" and go for the direct competition with Hooters. Succubi have tits AND wings! Game, set, and match!
its already like diablo 2
what's stupid is people who just want it to be diablo 2
this should be a thing
That's an amazing idea. We need to go into business together.
Oh sure, and now I bet you'll start charging real money for your wings too. THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT.
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We accept several forms of payment
$.50/wing
625,000,000 gold/.25 wing
40 SOJs/wing
Grimdark started in 1987
Just FYI
Then just play Diablo 2
Why is this difficult
I don't really need to follow your link to know what you are talking about. I have Rogue Trader, its actually quite silly and far more blatant parody than later releases. 2nd edition is the opposite of dark, though its moderately grim.
I like the approach though.
That some of the outfits tended to be conservative and a bit simplistic as compared to some of the D3 sets can likely be attributed as much to technological limitations (and the time costs those limitations imposed) of Diablo 1/2 as art direction. To be honest if Diablo 3 was filled with 18 different types of bland leather/mail/plate combinations I'd probably be pretty pissed.
...and beta of course.
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