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[Legend of Grimrock] is out now!

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    I find it odd that you basically can't max out a tree without focusing entirely on that tree and even then.. not maybe. A level 14 character will only have 45 points to spend (43 if a minotaur) which wouldn't max out a single tree! How odd..

    Wait, 13 levels x 4 points each = 52 skill points? Plus anywhere from 1 to 4 by race, plus...stuff...

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  • KhildithKhildith Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    I find it odd that you basically can't max out a tree without focusing entirely on that tree and even then.. not maybe. A level 14 character will only have 45 points to spend (43 if a minotaur) which wouldn't max out a single tree! How odd..

    Wait, 13 levels x 4 points each = 52 skill points? Plus anywhere from 1 to 4 by race, plus...stuff...

    My warrior just hit 13, he put 16 points in armor, 2 points in athletics, and 50 points in swords. I picked skilled at the start+at least two books of infinite wisdom, maybe 3.

    But yeah, I did kind of frontload him. To be fair he is a killing machine, wearing the best armor and weapon in the game, he swings like once every two seconds for 100+ damage.

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  • Foolish ChaosFoolish Chaos Registered User regular
    Lanrutcon wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    I beat the game and am going over it again because i feel like i missed a HUGE secret. This time with 3 rogues and a mage.

    Mage going down air for a good bit(then either ice/fire/spellcraft or protection, thinking protection) for a certain spell, 2 rogues in front go unarmed/daggers/dodge + 8 ranks in assassination. Rogue in back goes full assassination.

    Just get behind things and shred them. Also all humans to maximize skillpoints

    edit: Toruum spoilers
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    I highly recommend thrown weapons, btw. Try to vary your weapons: there aren't that many good daggers in the game.

    What if you didn't actually use daggers? The assassination tree isn't dagger specific.

    I guess it just depends on if you can find a decent weapon without skill req's

  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Magus` wrote: »
    I find it odd that you basically can't max out a tree without focusing entirely on that tree and even then.. not maybe. A level 14 character will only have 45 points to spend (43 if a minotaur) which wouldn't max out a single tree! How odd..

    Wait, 13 levels x 4 points each = 52 skill points? Plus anywhere from 1 to 4 by race, plus...stuff...

    Well I got 3 skill points per level, not 4 and my 3 minotaurs only started with 1 point each so they all ended up with 43 skill points (except for one who used a book and had 48!). My insect guy had 45.

    Edit: I'm dumb. I thought it 3, not 4. It is 4. Still not a lot.

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  • Foolish ChaosFoolish Chaos Registered User regular
    I'd like to think that maybe, maybe because there are so many skills and no way to get even a decent number of them, that in future dungeons you can import characters. Or that player made dungeons will have import functionality. That would be awesome.

  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    I just really wanted 24 in Ice Magic and 50 in Spellcraft. Half-cost Frostbolts with 50% reduced CD? Yes please! Not that I needed it to win the game, obviously, but still.

    Also what is the best dagger in the game? Feel free to spoil it if you feel it's necessary.

  • DecoyDecoy Registered User regular
    [shakesfists] Damn you, Spiders!! [/shakesfists]

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    I'd like to think that maybe, maybe because there are so many skills and no way to get even a decent number of them, that in future dungeons you can import characters. Or that player made dungeons will have import functionality. That would be awesome.

    I don't hate the devs or anything but I don't think they planned this out very well. Grimrock had a pretty quick development for a small team, and there are a lot of weird little quirks and inconsistencies, despite how often people defend them for being intentional.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    So I remade my party because I had a hankering for a kung fu minotaur. Then I've got an armor based human, ranger lizard man and the spell fly.

    Bows are pretty sweet now I have a dude who can shoot things.

    Though, as a heads up guys? Don't set things on fire after you've dumped a bunch of arrows into them. They're flammable.

  • KhildithKhildith Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Finished! Took me 21 hours.

    Finale thoughts
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    Edit: Edited in some additional thoughts.

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  • El FantasticoEl Fantastico Oh myyy Toronto, ONRegistered User regular
    Really looking forward to the random dungeon generator, or better yet, a custom map generator/creator.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Lanrutcon wrote: »
    I highly recommend thrown weapons, btw. Try to vary your weapons: there aren't that many good daggers in the game.

    There are actually two really fantastic daggers in the game. But i will end up as

    1) Daggers
    2) Unarmed [because unarmed means i can avoid the dodge tree since it gives so much dex/evasion]
    3) longsword

    The Machete is actually a comparatively good weapon to the next two good swords[which require sword skill]
    Kelor wrote: »
    Though, as a heads up guys? Don't set things on fire after you've dumped a bunch of arrows into them. They're flammable.

    How do you set things on fire? Also, you can shoot arrows into the fire things all day and they don't disappear. You just probably missed with one and can't find it

    edit: Best daggers in game
    Spoiler:

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Ah I got them all then. Good.

  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    Though, as a heads up guys? Don't set things on fire after you've dumped a bunch of arrows into them. They're flammable.

    How do you set things on fire? Also, you can shoot arrows into the fire things all day and they don't disappear. You just probably missed with one and can't find it.

    Was fighting a spider immediately after finding two brand new arrows (taking me to a grand total of 5!) in level three. I shoot all of them into this spider while backing away then cast the basic firespell with my mage. Spider disappears in a puff of smoke, taking my arrows with it.

    Edit: Ffffff Slimes.

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  • BehemothBehemoth Registered User regular
    Kelor wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    Though, as a heads up guys? Don't set things on fire after you've dumped a bunch of arrows into them. They're flammable.

    How do you set things on fire? Also, you can shoot arrows into the fire things all day and they don't disappear. You just probably missed with one and can't find it.

    Was fighting a spider immediately after finding two brand new arrows (taking me to a grand total of 5!) in level three. I shoot all of them into this spider while backing away then cast the basic firespell with my mage. Spider disappears in a puff of smoke, taking my arrows with it.

    Edit: Ffffff Slimes.

    Did you check the tile you were standing on? I'm not sure if arrows are the same way, but sometimes thrown weapons will end up there after a fight for some reason.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Behemoth wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Kelor wrote: »
    Though, as a heads up guys? Don't set things on fire after you've dumped a bunch of arrows into them. They're flammable.

    How do you set things on fire? Also, you can shoot arrows into the fire things all day and they don't disappear. You just probably missed with one and can't find it.

    Was fighting a spider immediately after finding two brand new arrows (taking me to a grand total of 5!) in level three. I shoot all of them into this spider while backing away then cast the basic firespell with my mage. Spider disappears in a puff of smoke, taking my arrows with it.

    Edit: Ffffff Slimes.

    Did you check the tile you were standing on? I'm not sure if arrows are the same way, but sometimes thrown weapons will end up there after a fight for some reason.

    Believe me, I looked everywhere.

    I ended up reloading and just making sure I finished the spider off with physical attacks. My flywizard hasn't been seeing as much use though after that.

  • korodullinkorodullin What. Registered User regular
    I've had a few thrown weapons simply up and vanish on me while fighting and casting before, but it's really rare and I can't seem to reproduce it. My guess is it's a bug that is triggered by a fairly obscure set of circumstances when killing an enemy.

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  • UselesswarriorUselesswarrior Registered User regular
    Loving this game so far. It has made me realize how much I missed this particular subgenre. I do wish the environments were more diverse but i am only on level 3 so that may change.

    Is there a shop ever in this game? Because if not I am going to continue to treat rocks as being more valuable then legionary spears and shields.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    Loving this game so far. It has made me realize how much I missed this particular subgenre. I do wish the environments were more diverse but i am only on level 3 so that may change.

    Is there a shop ever in this game? Because if not I am going to continue to treat rocks as being more valuable then legionary spears and shields.

    I wish I could throw shields with a sling....

  • eobeteobet Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Loving this game so far. It has made me realize how much I missed this particular subgenre. I do wish the environments were more diverse but i am only on level 3 so that may change.

    Is there a shop ever in this game? Because if not I am going to continue to treat rocks as being more valuable then legionary spears and shields.

    You ask for things which were never in the original Dungeon Master, and when they were included in Dungeon Master 2, didn't make it a better game (imo)...

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    korodullin wrote: »
    I've had a few thrown weapons simply up and vanish on me while fighting and casting before, but it's really rare and I can't seem to reproduce it. My guess is it's a bug that is triggered by a fairly obscure set of circumstances when killing an enemy.

    What is most likely happening is that you are killing the monster with some other attack as you click on the weapon. This throws the weapon and the go right through the enemy and on until they hit a wall

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  • DyvionDyvion Glorious Okinawa, JapanRegistered User regular
    Bought it. Started a conventional party on Normal and ended up stymied at the first room in level 4. (You know the one.)

    So I rerolled on easy with two monk lizard rogues (both unarmed/dodge only) and two insect mages, one fire/earth one air/ice. Just beat the game. And it was difficult. I guess I'm getting old. I got lots of cheevoes though, so I'm happy. Fun game, fun experience.

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  • LanrutconLanrutcon Registered User regular
    Gah. Missed the Fist Dagger! Ah well. I only missed 5 secrets in the entire game so I don't feel too bad.

    As for skill points, there are 4 tomes in the game that grant skill points. 3 of those grant +5 skill points to whoever uses them, and the fourth is Mage specific:
    Spoiler:

    These books are not obvious and are rather tricky to get.

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  • DyvionDyvion Glorious Okinawa, JapanRegistered User regular
    Lanrutcon wrote: »
    Gah. Missed the Fist Dagger! Ah well. I only missed 5 secrets in the entire game so I don't feel too bad.

    As for skill points, there are 4 tomes in the game that grant skill points. 3 of those grant +5 skill points to whoever uses them, and the fourth is Mage specific:
    Spoiler:

    These books are not obvious and are rather tricky to get.

    It's also possible to completely miss two of them on purpose.

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  • AddaAdda Registered User regular
    @Lanrutcon can you spoiler how to get in the iron door on the vault level for me?

    I've finished the game and that's the only one I couldn't enter.

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  • KhildithKhildith Registered User regular
    Adda wrote: »
    @Lanrutcon can you spoiler how to get in the iron door on the vault level for me?

    I've finished the game and that's the only one I couldn't enter.

    Vault Iron Door Key
    Spoiler:

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  • seabassseabass Doctor MassachusettsRegistered User regular
    Oh man, those slimes are murder. Maybe I'll come back later, or is there some trick to defeating them?

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  • AddaAdda Registered User regular
    Khildith wrote: »
    Adda wrote: »
    @Lanrutcon can you spoiler how to get in the iron door on the vault level for me?

    I've finished the game and that's the only one I couldn't enter.

    Vault Iron Door Key
    Spoiler:

    Fuck I thought I checked the whole thing. Obviously not!

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  • DyvionDyvion Glorious Okinawa, JapanRegistered User regular
    That hallway... ugh. Stuff of nightmares.

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  • korodullinkorodullin What. Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    God, level 10.
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    And is it just me, or does it seem like torches don't last as long the further down you go?

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Couldn't tell you, I stopped using torches around level 6.

  • seabassseabass Doctor MassachusettsRegistered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    Couldn't tell you, I stopped using torches around level 6.

    I think I prefer torches to the light spell. Or are you just running around in the dark to sneak up on things?

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Nah.

    Secret item spoiler:
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  • LanrutconLanrutcon Registered User regular
    The divines bless that orb. It is a thing of beauty.

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  • korodullinkorodullin What. Registered User regular
    I missed that one. My mage is current dual-wielding two later Mage weapons. I may take the slight hit to Energy and Willpower and go back and grab that, maybe. It's a long backtrack.

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  • APODionysusAPODionysus Registered User regular
    I think I finished Floor 3 last night. Only thing left to do is drop down various pits to check for various goodies, but I tend to do that after otherwise completing the following floor.

    Although I DID find the
    Spoiler:
    due to accidentally falling down a pit.

    Someone told me there is
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    on Floor 3 that I should find before moving on, but I have no idea where it could be and may just move on. Leaves something to discover in a future playthrough perhaps.

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  • KhildithKhildith Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Has anyone finished the game, and or gotten "Seeker of Secrets"? I've got 70/71 secrets and can't find the last one.
    Possible spoiler!
    Spoiler:

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    seabass wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    Couldn't tell you, I stopped using torches around level 6.

    I think I prefer torches to the light spell. Or are you just running around in the dark to sneak up on things?

    The item is equivalent to the light spell, so the glow isn't that valuable. If you prefer the distance of vision that torches give you then there isn't any substitute.

    Also, i have found that on hard mode i cannot sneak up to things in the dark. In fact i cannot sneak up to things with invisibility on. This means that my rogue/rogue/assassin/mage party is kinda useless against most creatures. Since everything but like snails/ogres/undead solders move too fast to get behind.

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Near the end of the game it was a constant chore to keep people from being slowed due to weight problems. I can't imagine the insanity if I was still carrying around 40 kilograms of torches! I found the light from the orb to be sufficient.

    On a side note, I rarely used potions due to how cumbersome it was to make them. Had like 10 empty flasks just sort of clanking around in the end there. Whoops.

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