League of [Phalla] :: A MINI FOR THE AGES :: Day 502 Gateway

MrTLicious

REG Rysk wrote:

The point of the big group gank is to prevent the mafia from being able to gank.

If 25 people are village and all try to gank Player X, the mafia can do nothing else but watch that player get ganked, since they will not have a more powerful gank than 5 and therefore will be unable to gank anybody.

NO NO NO!!!

There are 5 mafia members. Let's say the 20 villagers gank a mafia guy. The 5 mafia group up and gank anyone at random. Nobody dies (or both die... Not sure what happens in ties).

More likely scenario, 19 villagers and 5 mafia gank a villager. Villager dies.

Either way, this strategy ensures that mafia don't die to ganks until we kill one by other means.

Phyphor

We got a CD on equal strength gank squads, likely that will allow kills, so the mafia could then just kill who they want anyway

I needed a name to post.

from a design perspective i would be very surprised if a mafia group could not gank anyone in a mass gank group

Peccavi

MrTLicious wrote:

REG Rysk wrote:

The point of the big group gank is to prevent the mafia from being able to gank.

If 25 people are village and all try to gank Player X, the mafia can do nothing else but watch that player get ganked, since they will not have a more powerful gank than 5 and therefore will be unable to gank anybody.

NO NO NO!!!

There are 5 mafia members. Let's say the 20 villagers gank a mafia guy. The 5 mafia group up and gank anyone at random. Nobody dies (or both die... Not sure what happens in ties).

More likely scenario, 19 villagers and 5 mafia gank a villager. Villager dies.

Either way, this strategy ensures that mafia don't die to ganks until we kill one by other means.

Under that scenario, only more villagers die by splitting votes, since the mafia will always group together.

Fuck you, Droid!

Spoit

MrTLicious wrote:

REG Rysk wrote:

The point of the big group gank is to prevent the mafia from being able to gank.

If 25 people are village and all try to gank Player X, the mafia can do nothing else but watch that player get ganked, since they will not have a more powerful gank than 5 and therefore will be unable to gank anybody.

NO NO NO!!!

There are 5 mafia members. Let's say the 20 villagers gank a mafia guy. The 5 mafia group up and gank anyone at random. Nobody dies (or both die... Not sure what happens in ties).

More likely scenario, 19 villagers and 5 mafia gank a villager. Villager dies.

Either way, this strategy ensures that mafia don't die to ganks until we kill one by other means.

Put it this way, that means that there's only 1 villager caused village death, 2 if there's a vig separate from the gank. Spreading the game out longer offers more chances for the mafia to screw up and expose themselves, as well as letting things like seers work their magic. See: elementalist

EDIT: now with link

REG Rysk

That's possible, but if the mafia farm out into other larger gank squads they may be able to point suspicions towards villagers in that sense. Unification under a second vote is the BEST and SAFEST option based on the mechanics I see.

EDIT - ok back to work; keep talking guys and keep thinking about what you want to do

Bedlam

B:L

facetious

Can more than one gank be successful each night?

Infidel

facetious wrote:

Can more than one gank be successful each night?

You betcha.

facetious

So yeah. I think we need some way of trying to wrangle some sort of cohesion into our ganks. There's a chance that a lot of villagers can get killed by random gank squads.

Bedlam

REG Rysk wrote:

Your vote against a person trying to organize the village leaves me highly suspicious of you Bedlam

EDIT - Why did it break when I quoted...?

Except that we learned last game that the guy who stood up and shouted "Hey trust me Im village" was not at all trustworthy. And peoples unwillingness to question that helped the village sink faster.

Make that two guys since Munkus was very public with trying to help as well.

Peccavi

Since I'm at a computer now, I want to emphasize my previous point.

If tied gank squads can't kill each other, then the mafia are gank immune (for the moment). That means that the villager gank can only kill villagers, and split villager ganks only increases the number of villagers that die. MrT's argument does not hold water.

Personally, I think that the design of this game promotes carnage, and as such tied gank squads go to the ganker, but I still feel that in that scenario it's best to organize the village together.

facetious

No, Bedlam, that's not right.

Capfalcon was essentially confirmed via his kill. He was in fact village. We were right to trust that he was village. (Even if we were wrong to trust that the network was effective~~.) We didn't trust Langly just because he said to, we trusted him because he was confirmed by someone who died green.

Anyway, regardless, Peccavi's (and Spoit's and my) idea is a good one. It was a good idea when Cap made it last game, it just happened that everything got corrupted.

I needed a name to post.

Peccavi wrote:

If tied gank squads can't kill each other, then the mafia are gank immune (for the moment). That means that the villager gank can only kill villagers, and split villager ganks only increases the number of villagers that die. MrT's argument does not hold water.

you interpret this as "this denounces MrT"

i interpret this as "which means tied gank squads can probably kill each other"

Capfalcon

Peccavi wrote:

If tied gank squads can't kill each other, then the mafia are gank immune (for the moment). That means that the villager gank can only kill villagers, and split villager ganks only increases the number of villagers that die. MrT's argument does not hold water.

Right, but it would also mean that if we don't get a gank, then the person we gank'd is mafia. So, we're limiting it to a vote death, possibly one gank death, and whatever abilities are floating around. So, it's kinda like a public seer, only villagers die to it.

facetious

Man I hate day one votes.

My INANTP vote was only ever intended as a joke vote but it's day one and I can't actually think of any targets "good" enough to bother switching it.

I needed a name to post.

ouch facetious

ouch

Peccavi

I interpret it as "even if MrT's premise is correct, it still is better to organize."

As I said later in that post, I agree with you.

Spoit

Capfalcon wrote:

Peccavi wrote:

If tied gank squads can't kill each other, then the mafia are gank immune (for the moment). That means that the villager gank can only kill villagers, and split villager ganks only increases the number of villagers that die. MrT's argument does not hold water.

Right, but it would also mean that if we don't get a gank, then the person we gank'd is mafia. So, we're limiting it to a vote death, possibly one gank death, and whatever abilities are floating around. So, it's kinda like a public seer, only villagers die to it.

I think it's far more likely that tied ganks kill than not. See: elementalist

facetious

I needed a name to post. wrote:

ouch facetious

ouch

It's not a commentary on you!

It's a commentary on the futility of day one logic!

facetious

Damn work.

Alegis

Futility of day 1 logic? People have roles, ideas and tactics are being suggested and you can always introduce the latter.

the logic, reasoning and strategy is there, you're only unsure of the variables. And by promoting discussion in group you're more likely to be able to do something with it.

not letting kime take a buff if he's going to die, would rather see what B:L makes with it. Getting a deja vu effect of simonwolf's death of phalla game.

facetious

Well yeah, Alegis, I've already tried some of that. Voting is still a crapshoot, though.

Oh yeah a blue buff vote before I have to leave for work.

Well I'm selfish. !facetious

Langly

haha, man, those votes were awesome

kime

Alegis wrote:

not letting kime take a buff if he's going to die, would rather see what B:L makes with it. Getting a deja vu effect of simonwolf's death of phalla game.

You think I'm going to die WHY now? The only real speculation I've seen is that the mafia would gank the buff winner to try to steal the buff, but that won't stop BL from being under the same speculation.

Anyways, you should listen to all those people talking about how buffing kime is clearly the best plan .

No potential downfalls from me having unlimited powers, none at all

Spoit

Remind me what happened in that?

Spoit

kime wrote:

Alegis wrote:

not letting kime take a buff if he's going to die, would rather see what B:L makes with it. Getting a deja vu effect of simonwolf's death of phalla game.

You think I'm going to die WHY now? The only real speculation I've seen is that the mafia would gank the buff winner to try to steal the buff, but that won't stop BL from being under the same speculation.

Anyways, you should listen to all those people talking about how buffing kime is clearly the best plan .

No potential downfalls from me having unlimited powers, none at all

According to the magic box, you're tied with capfalcon for 1st

Phyphor

It mostly depends on what happens with ties as you always want to be in the biggest gank squad possible. Regardless though, by ensuring all village squads are at least 5, we force the mafia to either join ours or form (only) one of their own

Peccavi

Marry kime

Kill Gumpy

Bang Langly

Alegis

kime wrote:

You think I'm going to die WHY now?

You're not subscribed to Mafia Weekly? Issue 701 has you on the cover. "Kime still a hote vote this summer!"

For some reason I thought it was another kime vote day. Forgot all about capfalcon. Never forget.

edit: seems like it wasn't just my imagination

Spoit

Peccavi... you already made those same exact votes :?
http://wulf.dnsalias.org:8000/phalla/phalla_specific.php?action=by_poster&phalla=30&poster=58498

Alegis

Spoit wrote:

Remind me what happened in that?

we elected B:L to eat the cake or something

that's all I remember

kime

Alegis wrote:

kime wrote:

You think I'm going to die WHY now?

You're not subscribed to Mafia Weekly? Issue 701 has you on the cover. "Kime still a hote vote this summer!"

For some reason I thought it was another kime vote day. Forgot all about capfalcon. Never forget.

I was mafia last game, so I have no problems with cap falcon haha. But I'd be surprised if he. Doesn't eat the vote at least once before me...

O that note, Capfalcon[/b]

kime

Posting from a not-computer is hard. Good enough of a vote though

Peccavi

I never banged langly, and I wanted to summarize all my votes together.

Peccavi

My phone corrected mafia to magicka today and purple to purpose. Stupid phone.

Spoit

Since the votes are getting away from gumpy, I might as well get some small measure of revenge on capfalcon. I guess

Alegis

once nearly sent a text to a girl for 'bootyshaking' instead of my intended 'boardgaming' before I caught the autocorrection.


I made the mistake of not going with my phone's autocorrect and thinking I knew better

38thDoe

Spoit wrote:

Remind me what happened in that?

Cult leader langly got a perfect victory.

Infidel

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