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Republicans: Political Party, or Apocalyptic Cult?
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If there are specific parts of that article you disagree with, cite them and disagree with them. I'm not going to re-hash the whole thing in here for your benefit.
Yelling at people to ignore the shit they see in their lives and in the news is cute, and all, but I think we're all adults here. The GOP swallowed the racists and nasties for electoral points decades ago, and it is eating them from within.
Trying to force everyone here to ignore this through the power of your conservative righteousness is cute and all, but it's not going to work. The people on this board are living through this shit, watching it on their TVs, and they aren't going to pretend to unsee this because it hurts your feelings.
That wasn't a full argument. The quick reply saved a draft from a while ago that I abandoned while attempting to get IE6 running on OSX instead.
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I've yet to see groups of Tea Party brown-shirts roaming the streets of DC.
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Didn't that happen with the healthcare reform, by the way?
I mean I hate to be snarky like that but seriously. <.<
Oh, Republican, right.
... what?
Yeah, people showing up to rallies with their guns on display isn't enough.
For the love of God, I read the article, a week ago. That doesn't give the nod to some of the vitriolic names being associated with the Republicans in this thread. If your argument is "this guy thinks they're terrorizing the debt process," you can't follow up with calling them the KKK members and Nazis. You have to argue an unending argument because the name-calling is so severe and stupid.
If you want to say they're obstructionists and it's wrong. Fine. I can discuss that. If you want to just use it as an excuse to call them murderers, then this is absolute flame baiting and should be locked.
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Finding violent rhetoric and stories of intimidation from Tea Party members at town halls takes about two seconds of Googling. See the post where Modern Man ignores the links that refute his argument.
The real truth is that the "serious" conservatives around here are forcibly ignoring the stink from their side of the aisle, preferring to sling shit at everyone else.
So he's now a conservative, as opposed to a person on this board?
Web development for the federal government. Yes, it's that bad.
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You are falling back on kumbaya? We are all Penny Arcade?
Unless you believe that the Americans who went over there somehow tricked the Ugandan government into passing this law?
And, furthermore, I don't really see what this has to do with American politics, any more than any other law passed by African governments. Do you want to talk about agricultural subsidies in Nigeria, while we're at it?
Rigorous Scholarship
I'm not prepared to consider those who lack compassion and understanding to be 'people.'
Now you're afraid of people peacefully exercising their 2nd Amendment rights while peacefully exercising their 1st Amendment rights? Your world must be really scary.
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"Crowd" is an incredibly dishonest description of that video.
political violence from the tea party:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/10/rand-paul-supporter-stomps-on-woman.html
And tea party political vandalism:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joan_walsh/politics/2010/05/14/maine_tea_party_worse_than_you_thought
Perfectly legal doesn't mean it wasn't uncalled for.
How many times, on this board, have you used some obscure figure with fringe ties to Democrats to make some overarching points about "how liberals be?"
When you get right down to it, I have more respect for the Tea Party types than the brand of conservatives you see here. At least they'll stand by and scream what they believe when you press them. I don't like them for it, but at least it's an honest conflict of ideas.
What we get here are the oily variety that try to obscure their dark side through deflection and rhetorical games. It's nothing but vague, sweeping attacks against their enemies, followed by attempts to appear the proper schoolmarm whenever they are challenged. They fight with smoke and vapor.
Hooboy. Not sure if you're being serious of if that is a joke.
Nothing like what you proposed took place. you are creating a mountain out of a molehill just because someone criticized a conservative.
No. I know exactly what it means when someone shows up a political rally with a fucking weapon. It's intimidation.
Again, you like to play these little logic games. I'm the bad guy for reacting badly when people act like thugs, because it is technically legal for them to do so.
Have you ever worked on a campaign? Every campaign attracts its share of nuts who probably shouldn't be allowed out of the house. Every once in a while, an incident is going to happen. But to say that this is somehow evidence of Tea Party political violence is just you grasping at straws.
Rigorous Scholarship
And watch the argument twist again, swirling in the wind like smoke. After a few hours, we'll decide whether I'm a horrible person for judging the man with a gun or a horrible person because the man with a gun has a right to shoot me.
I'm sure they'll have to defend themselves from me ignoring them when I'm at work, or playing games with friends, etc!
And a typical wave-away attempt when proof is shown in your face.
orly?
That seems pretty solid to me.
Oh I don't know, that he stepped on a subdued woman's head?
I wish I had the link to all the people who have been killed as a consequence of this "mild" speech! Since 2008, close to 20 people are dead and maybe 50 people in prison as a consequence of trying to kill or seriously injure people they disagreed with politically. The guy who shot up the unitarian church is one. And you're ignoring all the violence in the 90s that happens to pop up whenever Republicans lose a major office.
The far right in the US is not just dangerous to the politics of the country, but has been inciting violence against citizens and the government as a method of protest for some time. This is a fact. The left has done so as well, but considerably less (don't be a false equivalency goose) and even MORE less in recent years. At the moment, comparing the two is laughable, so please don't go down that road.
And the argument swirls again. Liberals are the bad guys, because liberal politics are all about how conservatives are nonhumans.
In truth, conservatives are the ones trying to punish the others. It's what they LOVE to talk about. Liberals just want to build some bridges, keep people from starving to death and maybe fix our fucked-up health care system. Both sides are a little too in love with the military, but at least liberals have some aim other than punishing the nonbeliever and getting blood vengeance with our bombs.
But, of course, we're all really just as bad.
One guy's violence = Tea Party is violent, right?
One communist shoots a President. All commies are assassins!
As usual, urcbub's logic is mangled.
As many of the liberals on this board will certainly tell you, I'm the furthest thing from shy when it comes to telling people what I believe. Feel free to ask any questions you want about my political beliefs. I'll happily give you the full frontal (political) monty.
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I mean that's what we do with terrorists right?
Because I'd be very happy to see you fully walk back that line I've quoted a couple times. It was kind of... inhuman.