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kedinik

"Oh my god that flank!"

OremLK

To be fair, Huk was behind the whole game after the failed DT. I just don't know why it should be that way though; Terran can do a ton of harassment things without being THAT behind. It's the whole razor thin margin for error thing again.

P10

That game was sad to watch. Scans 2 gud

Seguer

Oh yeah HuK was def behind, but he surrounded that bio ball really really well

It was just dissapointing to see this huge massive flank... and then the ball just rolls off to kill more shit

OremLK

Did any Terrans lose more than one game except to another Terran or Nestea (who is the exception to everything)?

His Corkiness

In Code A Byun lost to Oz and Yoda lost to Sage. That's it.

kedinik

I thiiiiiiink they just mentioned NesTea was the only exception?

e: In Code S, any ways.

815165

NesTea is the only non Terran to beat a Terran so far.

edit: in code s

That'll probably change with the next set of groups, though, July and Losira should smoke Ganzi and Leenock should be able to beat at least one of the terrans in his group.

Plus then Genius will do some proxy shit and snatch a win.

OremLK

Even worse than I thought.

That's just silly, and no Vari, I don't believe that 1.4 is enough to even it out. That's not to say it won't help, but from my speculative theorycrafting perspective, the gulf just looks enormous right now between Terran and Protoss particularly, and they definitely appear to have the edge TvZ as well.

P10

Well, everyone knows that's just because the Terrans are the better players.

Duh.

kedinik

I dunno about Leenock winning a series, he's decent but he seems to pretty dependably fall apart in early rounds these days.

815165

Half the players haven't even played in code S yet and we're already down to three clowns.

And one of them is HongUn.

Also I don't like Genius much either.

His Corkiness

Leenock's ZvT has looked pretty good but he's only really been playing second-tier Terrans.

Variable

I don't know if it's enough to even it out either. I'd like to give it a chance though. any chance at all.

kedinik

Genius went on a BM spree shortly before a big losing streak back in ye olde times, but I gotta admit he's played pretty well lately.

815165

Also, Killer has to advance in a group against Taeja, DRG and Polt. :o

We could realistically be seeing no toss left by the end of the groups.

kedinik

I gotta admit the "Leagues and Ladders - Career" screen is pretty slick.

Would be cool if you could filter it by league, season, etc.

OremLK

Variable wrote:

I don't know if it's enough to even it out either. I'd like to give it a chance though. any chance at all.

Well obviously my perspective isn't to say "I DEMAND NEW PATCH TOMORROW!", I'm just trying to guess what we're going to see.

mEEksa

I think the biggest effect of the patch is that Terrans will have to play a lot less greedy in fear of immortal timings. We'll see if it actually pans out that way.

kedinik

I take it that outranging marines is what you expect to make immortal timings more viable? Like, they're not quite good enough when forced into marine range on the old patch?

Joe K

Variable wrote:

I don't know if it's enough to even it out either. I'd like to give it a chance though. any chance at all.

"even it out" - I get the distinct impression that browder believes that it's only even if Terran is winning 75% of off-race matchups. The comments from him that he would be highly concerned about a period of zerg dominance are troubling. Mostly, because it seems that having Terran completely dominant the entire year post-release, and he hasn't done anything useful to change it.

Variable

Joe K wrote:

Variable wrote:

I don't know if it's enough to even it out either. I'd like to give it a chance though. any chance at all.

"even it out" - I get the distinct impression that browder believes that it's only even if Terran is winning 75% of off-race matchups. The comments from him that he would be highly concerned about a period of zerg dominance are troubling. Mostly, because it seems that having Terran completely dominant the entire year post-release, and he hasn't done anything useful to change it.

yes that's probably what they want for the game

edit - also, which quote exactly?

MMMig

Slowver, I think the title needs a lookin'



ed: I think I actually get to play this glorious game tonight. Bring it, ya'll!

P10

Joe K wrote:

Variable wrote:

I don't know if it's enough to even it out either. I'd like to give it a chance though. any chance at all.

"even it out" - I get the distinct impression that browder believes that it's only even if Terran is winning 75% of off-race matchups. The comments from him that he would be highly concerned about a period of zerg dominance are troubling. Mostly, because it seems that having Terran completely dominant the entire year post-release, and he hasn't done anything useful to change it.

At best, ~55% winrate == completely dominant.

Terran OP, but the game ain't as broke as you think

stimtokolos

That quick reference league/division rank thing. Needs to show your losses for Master league, currently only showing wins.

Talking about the one that now shows up in quick match tab.

kedinik

stimtokolos wrote:

That quick reference league/division rank thing. Needs to show your losses for Master league, currently only showing wins.

Talking about the one that now shows up in quick match tab.

It's a nice idea but bad design, so much wasted space. Hurts my eyes a bit.

stimtokolos

I really don't like those changes to terminus by the way.
3rd base now easier to defend so I cannot attempt to deny it? Check.
Has more minerals and gas than before? Check.
Rocks so I can't take a fast third? Check.

Fucking rocks man.

kedinik

stimtokolos wrote:

I really don't like those changes to terminus by the way.
3rd base now easier to defend so I cannot attempt to deny it? Check.
Has more minerals and gas than before? Check.
Rocks so I can't take a fast third? Check.

Fucking rocks man.

The Ret "hatch next to rocks until slow lings finish them off" idea has been working really well for me on TDA.

Just so many drones and minerals, so fast.

stimtokolos

Spose if you can defend it may as well put your macro hatch there.
Make hydras tier 1 and some kind of medium dps unit so I can use them to kill rocks. That is my secret agenda for hydra tier1.

Dhalphir

kedinik wrote:

I take it that outranging marines is what you expect to make immortal timings more viable? Like, they're not quite good enough when forced into marine range on the old patch?

no its more that its actually sort of possible to reliably have more than 2 immortals in an army and have them all actually do any shooting. in 1.3 any more than 2-3 immortals and they spazzed out against each other, let alone against the stalkers.

815165

stimtokolos wrote:

Spose if you can defend it may as well put your macro hatch there.
Make hydras tier 1 and some kind of medium dps unit so I can use them to kill rocks. That is my secret agenda for hydra tier1.

Just baneling bust the rocks, man.

kedinik

Ends up Major is living / training with TSL but not joining the team.

https://twitter.com/#!/ssidaglez/status/116429295668310016

stimtokolos

I baneling bust CCs all the time because fuck everyone. Especially terran economy.

stimtokolos

kedinik wrote:

Ends up Major is living / training with TSL but not joining the team.

https://twitter.com/#!/ssidaglez/status/116429295668310016

Thank god.

kedinik

Just had a terrifying thought.

Saw a marine on the edge of a base and thought, "Must kill him, with vision they can warp hellions onto the high ground!"

OremLK

kedinik wrote:

Just had a terrifying thought.

Saw a marine on the edge of a base and thought, "Must kill him, with vision they can warp hellions onto the high ground!"

They're saving that for patch 1.5.

MMMig

Wait till reapers no longer need a tech lab.

The poor, poor underused unit that so much design thought went into, they still design maps around them!

tbloxham

MMMig wrote:

Wait till reapers no longer need a tech lab.

The poor, poor underused unit that so much design thought went into, they still design maps around them!

Didn't reapers used to be the Terran god unit, where you could use them to almost always kill zerg in the early game with harass?

kedinik

Reaper speed used to be T1 and roaches used to have lower range, so rallying 5-rax reaper could basically hard-counter any possible zerg response if you had good micro.

Euphemon

Well, 5-rax reaper didn't really harass, per se. Harass implies economic damage. 5RR took a shit on zerg.

(they were nerfed super hard into uselessness as a result)