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[The Walking Dead] RIP Season Two

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-Season Three Starts This October!-


Based on one of the most successful and popular comic books of all time, written by Robert Kirkman, AMC’s The Walking Dead captures the ongoing human drama following a zombie apocalypse. The series follows a group of survivors, led by police officer Rick Grimes, played by Andrew Lincoln (Love Actually, Teachers, Strike Back), who are traveling in search of a safe and secure home.

Jon Bernthal (The Pacific, The Ghost Writer) plays Shane Walsh, Rick's sheriff's department partner before the apocalypse, and Sarah Wayne Callies (Prison Break), is Rick's wife, Lori Grimes. Additional cast include: Laurie Holden, Steven Yeun, Norman Reedus, Jeffrey DeMunn, Chandler Riggs, Iron E. Singleton and Melissa McBride. Guest stars include: Lauren Cohan, Scott Wilson and Pruitt Taylor Vince.

The first season of The Walking Dead won the Saturn Award for Best Television Presentation and was nominated for Best Actor on Television (Andrew Licoln), Best Actress on Television (Sarah Wayne Calllies), Best Guest Starring Role on Television (Steven Yeun), and Best Supporting Actress on Television (Laurie Holden). It also received a Director’s Guild Award nomination for Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Dramatic Series' — Night (Frank Darabont), a Golden Globe nomination for Best Television Series — Drama, and a Television Critics Association Award nomination for Outstanding New Program of the Year.

In addition, The Walking Dead recently won the Emmy award for Outstanding Prosthetic Makeup for a Series, Miniseries, Movie or a Special; and was nominated for Emmys in Outstanding Sound Editing for a Series and Outstanding Special Visual Effects for a Series.



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The sophomore season of AMC’s zombie horror-fest The Walking Dead aims to be even darker and, um, dead-er, when it returns to the cable network sometime in October. It’s hard to imagine that a series full of zombified loved ones receiving bullets or pick axes to the head could get any more intense, but that’s what the producers and cast promised Friday at the Paley Center’s tribute to the show in Los Angeles.

Executive Producer Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption) described season two as “challenging, dark s—.” The deepening love triangle between Rick (Andrew Lincoln), Lori (Sarah Wayne Callies) and Shane (Jon Bernthal) will be a focus, as will the characters adapting to a harsh new world. Forget the threat of zombies: They now have to contend with contaminated water, a lack of medicine, and more than a few standard explosions.

Darabont also promised that season two will start off where season one left off, noting that he wants his characters in a “reactive phase.”

Rounding out the panel Friday was Executive Producers Robert Kirkman (who wrote the graphic novel) and executive producer Gale Anne Hurd, along with cast members Lincoln, Bernthal, Callies, Laurie Holden, Steven Yeun and Emma Bell. Kirkman and Darabont agreed that fans of the graphic novel should expect the show to deviate from the comic, as Kirkman insisted his canon ”is not law.”






The Darabont Situation
The cast is "scared," the crew is crushed after Darabont is canned while working to fix an episode that a director turned in with unusable footage.

When Frank Darabont appeared on a Comic-Con panel July 22 to promote The Walking Dead, he didn't realize he was a dead man walking. Neither did the cast and crew. Everyone was shocked when news broke three days later that AMC had taken the extraordinary step of firing Darabont from the network's biggest ratings hit.

In hot, sticky Atlanta, where production on the second season had been under way since June, the cast was summoned to a lunch meeting with AMC vp scripted programming Ben Davis, who confirmed that Darabont was out. The crew was briefed separately. One insider says those gathered were stunned at "the duplicity of AMC" for having used Darabont to promote the show at Comic-Con before firing him. And they were angry about the lack of explanation; they were simply told, cryptically, "This isn't working." Above all, they were disheartened. "It's a crushing blow," says the insider. "Even when you have a hit, they can still destroy you."

Darabont -- like many showrunners, not known for a small ego or manageable temperament -- had been working on an edit in Los Angeles. After he was sent packing, he returned to give some final notes. He sent farewell e-mails to associates on the show. But he has maintained a steady silence in the media as his representatives work out the terms of his departure. Through his lawyer, Darabont said he has no interest in talking to the press.

There also have been no public comments from the cast, and a source with knowledge of the situation says AMC has been "terrorizing" them and their representatives to discourage them from speaking out on Darabont's behalf. "They're scared," confirms another insider. "They're on a zombie show. They are all really easy to kill off."

AMC issued a statement after Darabont was dismissed, expressing gratitude for his "innumerable" contributions to the show. Asked to comment on criticism for the handling of his departure, a spokesperson said, "We have nothing further to add."

This drama makes it a hat trick: Within a space of months, AMC has become embroiled in messy public fights with the creators of its top three shows -- Mad Men, Breaking Bad and now Walking Dead. The battles have been about money, but in this case, at least, it was more of a slow burn than a sudden flare-up. Sources say last fall, even before the first episode of the show had aired, AMC let it be known that it would effectively slash the show's second-season budget per episode by about $650,000, from $3.4 million to $2.75 million. AMC cut the budget and pocketed a tax credit previusly applied to the show. An AMC source says the size of the cut cited by sources is "grossly inflated" and that the second-season budget represents a more typical and sustainable number for a basic cable show.

At a glance, it would appear AMC is taking a big risk with its only huge commercial success. Mad Men and Breaking Bad are Emmy magnets that average 2.3 million and 4.3 million viewers, respectively. But Walking Dead, based on a series of graphic novels, attracted an astonishing 5.3 million viewers when it premiered on Halloween. The season finale in December drew more than 6 million viewers. In the 18-to-49 demo, it chalked up the biggest number ever for any drama on basic cable.

AMC has enjoyed stunning success since it stopped relying on old movies and plunged into original series with Mad Men in 2007. But given its recent battles, several sources involved with its signature shows say AMC does not seem ready to handle its success. "It feels like they don't have the experience of being on top," one fumes. "They're total ball-busters, and that pisses people off."

But being on top can be more about perception than profit. It's no coincidence that these flare-ups have come at a time when success for the network will be defined in far more specific terms. In July, AMC was spun off from parent Cablevision as AMC Networks (which also includes Sundance Channel, IFC and others). AMC has been preparing to face Wall Street's scrutiny as its expenditures on programming have shot up. (According to SNL Kagan, the network's programming budget has climbed from $123.3 million in 2006, the year before it got into original series, to an estimated $174.5 million this year --actually not that much given the network's 180.)

What is also hugely significant is that Walking Dead is the only show AMC owns, which means the network bears all the financial risk (and could reap much greater rewards in success). That is not the kind of chance that the network had been willing to take before. AMC developed Mad Men and even fully financed a pilot before the company decided that the cost of the first season, about $25 million, was too much to bear. So AMC sold the idea to Lionsgate and licensed it from the studio. Lionsgate owns Mad Men, and Sony Television owns Breaking Bad.

And despite "being on top," AMC is still a newcomer in the world of original programming and still small potatoes compared with more established competitors. The network costs distributors about 26 cents per subscriber each month, compared to $1.08 and 60 cents for TNT and USA, respectively, according to SNL Kagan.

A source on Walking Dead says wistfully that if a studio owned the show, the producers might have gotten help in the battles with AMC. In the case of Breaking Bad, Sony responded to the network's decision to cut the number of episodes from 13 to six or eight by shopping the series to FX, which isn't possible with Walking Dead. (Breaking Bad now appears likely to remain on AMC.)

Even when there's a studio involved, the fights have been tough. The conflict with Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner has been abundantly documented and concluded with Weiner getting $10 million per season for up to three more seasons and AMC getting more commercial time. The fracas didn't burnish any reputations with the public. Now sources involved with Breaking Bad are venting displeasure with the network. One says AMC could have dealt with Breaking Bad in a more timely and collaborative manner and come to an easier resolution, adding, "You hate when it comes down to the point where it gets stupid."

Laments a producer on one of the signature shows: "AMC may have had too much success too soon, and they think they know how to do it. But showrunners like Matthew Weiner and [Breaking Bad's] Vince Gilligan are so rare -- you can't replace people like that."

In the case of Walking Dead, AMC has replaced Darabont with executive producer Glen Mazzara, by many accounts a strong talent. But sources associated with the show say Darabont was an integral part of a lightning-in-a-bottle formula that had been working. "Everybody loves Frank and has had an amazing experience," says a talent rep with a client in the mix. "He's brilliant, and we want him there."

According to an insider, many members of the cast and crew feel the same way. "Frank's fingerprints are all over every single aspect of the show," this person says. "I heard a Teamster saying, 'How are we going to do this without Frank?' "

The rupture doesn't make sense for Darabont, either. His other best credit, The Shawshank Redemption, dates to 1994. Despite his public complaints about the grueling hours on the show, Darabont was hardly walking away from Walking Dead.

But AMC's budget-cutting upset him. "Frank doesn't like to see the cast and crew overworked and underpaid," says a show insider. As recently as the end of May, with the show's second season poised to go into production, Darabont seemed to be holding out hope that AMC would relent. "Creatively, I have no complaints thus far," he said at a THR roundtable. "But I believe if they do move ahead with what they're talking about, it will affect the show creatively … in a negative way. Which just strikes me as odd. If you have an asset, why would you punish it?"

An agency source says Darabont is "notoriously a pain in the ass" known for "taking a feature-film approach to television," which is meant to suggest that he didn't manage the brisk pace of television well. But an insider says Darabont's approach was what made Walking Dead special. "Frank fights for the show," says an insider. "He doesn't just do what the network wants him to do. … He's a filmmaker, and that's why the show was as good as it was." Sources with ties to the show insist it was on schedule and on budget.

What remains a central mystery, even to those closely involved, is what triggered AMC's move to fire Darabont. As noted, AMC's decision to cut the budget dated to the previous fall, when the network instructed Darabont to produce 13 episodes for a second season, up from six for the first season, for less money. Not only would the show get a lower budget, but AMC also decided that Walking Dead would no longer reap the benefit of a 30 percent tax credit per episode that came with filming in Georgia. Now the network was going to hold on to that money.

At the time, a source says, the show's producers decided not to get into a confrontation. "To have a fight over a number when they didn't know what the show was going to do didn't make sense," says this source. But when Walking Dead began to break AMC records, those involved figured that a negotiation would take place and the cuts might be reduced.

But this source says that AMC had its own ideas about how to make the show more cheaply. The show shoots for eight days per episode, and the network suggested that half should be indoors. "Four days inside and four days out? That's not Walking Dead," says this insider. "This is not a show that takes place around the dinner table." That was just one of what this person describes as "silly notes" from AMC. Couldn't the audience hear the zombies sometimes and not see them, to save on makeup? The source says Darabont fought "a constant battle to keep the show big in scope and style."

Despite the show's success, AMC stuck to its original position on the second-season budget. When those involved with the show protested that the network was taking chances with its biggest hit, AMC's head of original programming, Joel Stillerman, is said to have declared, "Ratings have no bearing on this conversation."

The show went into production on its second season in June. Sources say an early episode came in with footage that was not usable. The director had shot a successful first-season episode and was a mutually agreeed-upon choice. Darabont was editing the episode in an effort to fix it but by then, an insider believes, AMC was looking for a pretext. "Joel thinks he is responsible for the success of shows on AMC, and not the creators," this person says. This person blames Stillerman for the decision to fire Darabont. (Stillerman also has a strained relationship with Mad Men's Weiner, who declines to speak to him.) Through an AMC rep, Stillerman declined comment.

With Walking Dead in the middle of production on its second season, a number of very key and capable players are still involved, including Mazzara, Walking Dead comic creator Robert Kirkman and effects master Greg Nicotero. Only time will tell whether the Dead will suffer when they return or -- who knows? -- maybe even rise. If the show stumbles, many of its most passionate fans will blame AMC for firing Darabont, and he will become an even bigger martyr in their eyes than he already is.

WHO'S WHO IN THE DISPUTE

Charlie Collier: AMC's president is finding that success creates its own challenges.
Joel Stillerman: AMC's head of original programming had ideas about how to keep costs down.
Glen Mazzara: The man taking over for Darabont joined the show after its first season wrapped.



Season One: Special Edition
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Anchor Bay Entertainment is re-releasing The Walking Dead season one on DVD and Blu-Ray with a brand-new collector's edition. A Special Edition DVD, Special Edition Blu-ray and Limited Edition Blu-ray Collector’s Tin will arrive on October 4.

All three versions include the following NEW extras:

• Pilot Episode: The B&W Version
• Audio Commentaries On All 6 episodes

• We Are The Walking Dead
• Bring Out The Dead: KNB And The Art of Making Zombies
• Digital Decay: The VFX of The Walking Dead
• No More Room in Hell: The Walking Dead Phenomenon
• Adapting The Dead
• Killer Conversations: Frank Darabont & Greg Nicotero

Each version includes bonus features from the previous release of “The Walking Dead: Season 1” on DVD that contained the following:

• The Making of The Walking Dead
• Inside The Walking Dead: Episodes 1 – 6
• A Sneak Peek with Robert Kirkman
• Behind The Scenes Zombie Make-Up Tips
• Convention Panel with the Producers
• The Walking Dead Trailer

Extra Footage includes:
• Zombie School
• Bicycle Girl
• On Set with Robert Kirkman
• Hanging with Steven Yeun
• Inside Dale’s RV
• On Set with Andrew Lincoln


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ABRAMS announced today that the company has signed a deal with AMC, the cable television network, and Robert Kirkman’s Skybound, an imprint of Image Comics, to publish two books based on AMC’s original series The Walking Dead.

The first book will be published to coincide with AMC’s launch of The Walking Dead season two premiering this fall, and is the only authorized behind-the-scenes guide to season one. The book is titled "The Walking Dead Chronicles" and will be edited by Eric Klopfer at ABRAMS.

"The Walking Dead Chronicles" focuses on the making of the first season of AMC’s original television series and the bestselling comic book on which the series is based. There are over 200 photos including never-before-seen unit photography, storyboards, set designs, make-up and visual effects shots, and page-to-screen comparisons of the comic and TV show. The book features new interviews with series creator Robert Kirkman, executive producer Frank Darabont, the series make-up artist, Greg Nicotero, and the cast and crew. It also includes sidebars that serve as a detailed episode guide and provide inside facts and trivia about the hit series.


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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    edited October 2011
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    AMC has announced the launch of "Talking Dead," a live half-hour talk show focusing on all things zombified and apocalyptic. The program is set to make its grand debut following the encore of the October 16 premiere of the second season of "Walking Dead."


    As previously rumored, Chris Hardwick is hosting the show, providing recaps and interviews with cast and crew, as well as fans and television enthusiasts.

    “As an enormous fan of both 'The Walking Dead' comic and television show, I pretty much begged for this job,” Hardwick said in a statement. “Dissecting the moves of Rick Grimes and the remaining survivors after every episode is something I would be doing with my friends anyway, so the fact that AMC is actually paying to do so is a bonus.”

    “This half-hour after-show gives fans the opportunity to nerd out about the story in a very public forum: what they like, what they don’t like, or what questions they may have," he added. “Additionally, it will better inform viewers on making intelligent decisions when faced with the zombie apocalypse, which will probably happen sooner or later.”

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  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    Wait, the title says it starts on Oct. 23rd, but the blurb about "Talking Dead" says it premieres after the premiere on Oct. 16th. Which is it?

    I'm definitely trying to stay optimistic about this show, despite all the Darabont news.

  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    I'm not sure if I should be excited or not. The last few episodes of the first season really dampened my enthusiasm for this show.

  • Fatboy RobertsFatboy Roberts Registered User
    Show premieres on the 16th. I'm certain of this, because I'm hosting screenings of the show again (Hollywood Theater instead of the Bagdad this time) - It'll be interesting to see how many people try to stick around for Hardwick's show. That particular piece of programming seems sunk from the jump - it's not offering what forums/twitter/messageboards aren't already offering so far as instadiscussion, and the flipside is that should an episode have serious problems, I doubt the network is going to allow for Hardwick to delve deep into those problems and highlight the errors in storytelling before the episode gets its first re-run.

    I believe Herc over at AICN said the season opener is maybe the best episode of the show he's ever seen, and definitely the most violent.

  • Cameron_TalleyCameron_Talley Registered User regular
    Really looking forward to this. Up to volume 8 of the trades of the comics.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    edited October 2011
    I updated the OP with the correct opening date...I'm not sure where I got the 23rd from.

    I also added a Webisodes link to a 20-30 minute (total) short featuring the bicycle zombie's back story.


    Edit: I am getting reports that the "Collector's Tin Edition" of the 3-disc SE of season one...has a cardboard slipcase and no tin. My DVD forums are exploding about this, not that anyone here will probably care, though.

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  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Show premieres on the 16th. I'm certain of this, because I'm hosting screenings of the show again (Hollywood Theater instead of the Bagdad this time) - It'll be interesting to see how many people try to stick around for Hardwick's show. That particular piece of programming seems sunk from the jump - it's not offering what forums/twitter/messageboards aren't already offering so far as instadiscussion, and the flipside is that should an episode have serious problems, I doubt the network is going to allow for Hardwick to delve deep into those problems and highlight the errors in storytelling before the episode gets its first re-run.

    I believe Herc over at AICN said the season opener is maybe the best episode of the show he's ever seen, and definitely the most violent.

    If I could make it up to Portland, I would be there in a heartbeat. What made you guys change it from the Bagdad?

  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    Get pumped!

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    I'm not sure if I should be excited or not. The last few episodes of the first season really dampened my enthusiasm for this show.

    Personally, the only episode I didn't enjoy was the very last one. The others were perfectly fine zombietainment.

    Now, all this talk about Darabont being fired and AMC looking to reduce the budget of the show by a lot, that makes it somewhat difficult to be excited.

  • amateurhouramateurhour Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote:
    I'm not sure if I should be excited or not. The last few episodes of the first season really dampened my enthusiasm for this show.

    Personally, the only episode I didn't enjoy was the very last one. The others were perfectly fine zombietainment.

    Now, all this talk about Darabont being fired and AMC looking to reduce the budget of the show by a lot, that makes it somewhat difficult to be excited.

    Most of that is bullshit. I write for this zombie news site and I've had the opportunity to follow the story on the major sites plus talk to some of the people behind the show at various cons.

    Darabont was hard to work with because he's brilliant, but he's a movie director. He wasn't suited to work in TV where you film in sequential order a lot of the time and it threw off his direction considerably. The show still has a massive budget, it's just stretched over more episodes this season because AMC did something different than most studios in that they gave TWD a full six episodes for season one instead of just filming and testing a pilot.

    Darabont is still on board behind the scenes and I believe he's retaining his executive producer credit or a consultant credit. Most of the show's major decisions will go to Glenn Mazzara (the special effects head and a director on some of the eps) and Gale Anne Hurd who's overseen most of the day to day activities on the show since the beginning.

    There was a lot of rumor that Darabont fired the writing staff, etc. before season two and this is also not true. Darabont was expected to hand some of the responsibility down after season one, but decided to remain onboard, and his second in command went to work on Powers for FX (a great Bendis comic book) in light of this information. He was the only writer that didn't return that wasn't a freelance writer.

    Also, for those die hard Darabont lovers that just don't want to imagine a Walking Dead without him, he was still the primary lead behind at least the entire first half of the second season if not more episodes (it's unconfirmed regarding his involvement with the back half of the season)

    Most notably though, Kirkman is still a big influence on this show, and will obviously continue to be.

    For anyone that needs source, you can click the link to the Inevitable Zombie Apocalypse in my sig and just search Walking Dead.

  • Big DookieBig Dookie Smells great! Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    In other news, I watched American Horror Story last night, and it definitely did not satiate my horror cravings.

    So yeah, I'm more than ready for TWD to rectify that situation.

  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    I'll watch that and hope they pretend the last episode never happened.

  • valhalla130valhalla130 13 Dark Shield Perceives the GodsRegistered User regular
    I can't wait to see this show again. I need to pick up the Special edition bluray and rewatch the first season.

  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote:
    I'm not sure if I should be excited or not. The last few episodes of the first season really dampened my enthusiasm for this show.

    Personally, the only episode I didn't enjoy was the very last one. The others were perfectly fine zombietainment.

    Now, all this talk about Darabont being fired and AMC looking to reduce the budget of the show by a lot, that makes it somewhat difficult to be excited.

    Most of that is bullshit.

    <snip>

    Well, that's good to hear. I was worried that some suit at AMC was going on a power trip to screw over the show for whatever dumbass reason suits go on power trips and screw over shows.

  • Ragnar DragonfyreRagnar Dragonfyre Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    SO PUMPED! Just read issue 89 last night (after it was delayed for a month). Easily the most badass issue yet!

    I got my girlfriend hooked on this show last year and bought her the first 4 hardcover collections (48 issues) for her birthday this week. It was one of those scenarios where I didn't want to end up like Homer buying Marge a bowling ball, she's never bought a comic book in her entire life... it was a risky move, but luckily for me she's really digging the comics. Conversion to geekette has begun! :winky:

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  • The Last GentThe Last Gent Registered User regular
    2 Questions.

    1) Does anyone know what time on the 16th the show will be premiering? Is it 10 PM like last season?

    2) Is the S2 premiere going to be normal-length or Doctor-Who-special-length like the S1 premiere was?

  • BuddiesBuddies Registered User regular
    Here's to hoping Season two is more like Episode 1 and 2 and a lot less like episodes 3-6.

  • TL DRTL DR On this, reasonable people can disagreeRegistered User regular
    Fuck.

    Yes.

  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    Oh crap I almost forgot this was going to be on this weekend! I haven't seen anything about season 2 beyond a trailer they showed a few months ago.

  • InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote:
    2 Questions.

    1) Does anyone know what time on the 16th the show will be premiering? Is it 10 PM like last season?

    2) Is the S2 premiere going to be normal-length or Doctor-Who-special-length like the S1 premiere was?
    I have it down as 9pm for some reason.

    9/8 eastern/central
    First episode is one hour thirty minutes.

  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    Super pumped for this show coming back.

    The wait will have been worth it though.

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    And I won, so you lose,
    Guess it always comes down to.
  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    Don't know if everyone knows this already, but Walking Dead is now on Netflix Instant

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  • Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    I'm still ambivalent about this show. It's very well done, but it all seems so hopeless and depressing. A show about people just barely trying to survive, week in and week out, with no real long-term hopeful goal kind of wears you down.

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  • Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    Modern Man wrote:
    I'm still ambivalent about this show. It's very well done, but it all seems so hopeless and depressing. A show about people just barely trying to survive, week in and week out, with no real long-term hopeful goal kind of wears you down.

    That's why it's great. It's exactly like the comic book. :D

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    i found the last few episodes of this to be really disappointing, for a show that started out so strong

    i think it's because it went with the zombie story trope of being about the people, not the zombies, except the people are largely shallow and uninteresting, and the zombies are far more engaging.

    hopefully it will be better this season.

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  • Ragnar DragonfyreRagnar Dragonfyre Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    Modern Man wrote:
    I'm still ambivalent about this show. It's very well done, but it all seems so hopeless and depressing. A show about people just barely trying to survive, week in and week out, with no real long-term hopeful goal kind of wears you down.

    Yeah, this is exactly why I like it. Zombie apocalypses aren't happy-go-lucky times.
    i found the last few episodes of this to be really disappointing, for a show that started out so strong

    i think it's because it went with the zombie story trope of being about the people, not the zombies, except the people are largely shallow and uninteresting, and the zombies are far more engaging.

    hopefully it will be better this season.

    The show/comic is not about the zombie apocalypse. The zombies are the setting. It's about people surviving and adapting. However, if that's not your cup of tea, you should bail out now. There's going to be full episodes without zombies in the future. Give it some time... I've read the entire series up to the most current issue and the characters are anything but shallow.

    All that said, there's plenty of awesome zombie slaying to come!

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  • CarpyCarpy Registered User regular
    How far into the comic did the first season go? I want to start reading it, preferably in trade form, but don't want to spoil myself for the upcoming season.

  • Fatboy RobertsFatboy Roberts Registered User
    It kinda veered sideways right around episode 3. Season 1 doesn't really match up with the comic

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    so so excited.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Carpy wrote:
    How far into the comic did the first season go? I want to start reading it, preferably in trade form, but don't want to spoil myself for the upcoming season.

    I don't even think it gets through the first trade.

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that happened in the show was not in the original source.
    That whole episode with the CDC? Didn't happen in the comic. The characters of T-Dog, Merle, and Daryl? Also not in the comic.

    Some people like these changes, some don't. I personally enjoyed some of the CDC stuff. And Daryl is a good character.

    edit: spoilered for Just In Case

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  • DeMoNDeMoN Registered User regular
    I like the changes. Mainly because it would be kind of boring to watch if I knew everything that was going to happen.

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  • NappuccinoNappuccino Registered User regular
    edited October 2011
    SteevL wrote:
    Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that happened in the show was not in the original source.
    That whole episode with the CDC? Didn't happen in the comic. The characters of T-Dog, Merle, and Daryl? Also not in the comic.

    Some people like these changes, some don't. I personally enjoyed some of the CDC stuff. And Daryl is a good character.

    edit: spoilered for Just In Case

    the main things that I didn't like were
    t-dog (sorry he just isn't acted well)- the mexican guy who parts ways with the group before cdc (same problem) and the oldfolks home gangsta thugs (it was ok in concept... not in execution)

    Other than that I liked pretty much everything- I thought the whole bit in the last two episodes was really well done.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    T-dogg is an awful character. I hope they find some good use for him.

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    One of the better things about True Blood is that they barely even use the books as a basis now. It gives them an idea of something that could be introduced, but at the same time let's them explore other better, cooler storylines instead.

  • DemerdarDemerdar Registered User regular
    I was pretty indifferent about this show by the time the 6th episode rolled around. Hopefully they tightened up their script and improved in some of the writing (the cheating wife character is so poorly developed, I almost want her to get eaten). If this is a show about the characters, they better start showing it (without telling).

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    I like T-Dog simply because he doesn't hide from responsibility. He screwed up, he owns up to it and then risks his life in an attempt to set it right.

  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Caaba Beankomy XobthroRegistered User regular
    reVerse wrote:
    I like T-Dog simply because he doesn't hide from responsibility. He screwed up, he owns up to it and then risks his life in an attempt to set it right.

    Yeah he screwed up. What kind of adult lets other people call them T-Dog?

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre @PixelateJake on TwitterRegistered User regular
    edited October 2011
    To be fair, we see in the sizzle reel/season 2 trailer that
    T-Dog gets separated from the group during the huge zombie attack and slices the shit out of his arm.

    I expect him to die in the first episode to set the tone for this season.

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