Steve Jobs dead

_J_

President Obama wrote:

And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented.

Pretty much that. Fuck cancer.

amateurhour

_J_ wrote:

President Obama wrote:

And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented.

Pretty much that. Fuck cancer.

This isn't meant to be a troll comment, just genuine curiosity. I know Jobs was an amazing CEO that did fantastic things to bring technology into our homes and all, but did he actually INVENT the iPhone, iPad, iTunes, etc?

The Muffin Man

Dexta wrote:

SyphonBlue wrote:

Dexta wrote:

Steve Jobs contribution to computing and making it accessible for millions of people in a way that was enjoyable is arguably more important than most contributions philantropists ever make to organizations few people ever give a shit about.

This can't be a real post.

Why the fuck wouldn't it be real?

"The ipod did more for the world than actually doing something for the world"?

Really?

mrt144

You know why computing isn't accessible for millions? Cause it costs too much. Apple in particular has a high barrier of entry. That post is so laughable; Steve Jobs make computing accessible to non marginalized people and that's more important than philanthropy for marginalized people.

Or more succinctly:

That 3000 dollar MacSe from the 80s had more value than 3000 dollars going towards actual saving of lives.

emnmnme

amateurhour wrote:

_J_ wrote:

President Obama wrote:

And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented.

Pretty much that. Fuck cancer.

This isn't meant to be a troll comment, just genuine curiosity. I know Jobs was an amazing CEO that did fantastic things to bring technology into our homes and all, but did he actually INVENT the iPhone, iPad, iTunes, etc?

The presidents carved into Mount Rushmore didn't do the carving, either.

Arivia

amateurhour wrote:

_J_ wrote:

President Obama wrote:

And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented.

Pretty much that. Fuck cancer.

This isn't meant to be a troll comment, just genuine curiosity. I know Jobs was an amazing CEO that did fantastic things to bring technology into our homes and all, but did he actually INVENT the iPhone, iPad, iTunes, etc?

Yes. This is the sort of stuff Jobs does:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Rosings_Rascals.txt&characters=Wayne Rosing&sortOrder=Sort by Date&detail=medium

ArbitraryDescriptor

Arivia wrote:

Donkey Kong wrote:

The first authorized biography of Steve Jobs was slated for release some time next year. Back in August, the publisher suddenly moved its release date to November 2011.

I like to think that one of the last things Steve Jobs ever did was capitalize on his own death.

I like him doing his own death as a one more thing… to the iPhone 4S announcement.

"One more thing: I've been legally dead for 6 months"
*pulls up turtleneck to reveal iPhone5 where his heart should be*

rockmonkey

An Apple store was burglarized last night, it's weird that someone's response to his death was to go out and rob an Apple store the same day he dies.
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2011/oct/06/lrs-apple-store-burglarized-hours-after-jobs-death/

JustinSane07

...why? He was a CEO. Not a God.

As much as he pretended to be one.

The Muffin Man

emnmnme wrote:

amateurhour wrote:

_J_ wrote:

President Obama wrote:

And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented.

Pretty much that. Fuck cancer.

This isn't meant to be a troll comment, just genuine curiosity. I know Jobs was an amazing CEO that did fantastic things to bring technology into our homes and all, but did he actually INVENT the iPhone, iPad, iTunes, etc?

The presidents carved into Mount Rushmore didn't do the carving, either.

Yes but no one claimed that Washington invented carving.

Pellaeon

I'm pretty certain the burglary was not a ”response to his death,” but a ”response to the value of apple products,” just like all the previous burglaries of apple stores that didn't by coincidence take place the same day the former ceo died.

Come on now.

amateurhour

emnmnme wrote:

amateurhour wrote:

_J_ wrote:

President Obama wrote:

And there may be no greater tribute to Steve's success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented.

Pretty much that. Fuck cancer.

This isn't meant to be a troll comment, just genuine curiosity. I know Jobs was an amazing CEO that did fantastic things to bring technology into our homes and all, but did he actually INVENT the iPhone, iPad, iTunes, etc?

The presidents carved into Mount Rushmore didn't do the carving, either.

That is correct. Also you're good at talking about things that don't relate to other things.

delroland

Sure, Steve Jobs may have been an innovator, but his type of innovation was, "My way or the highway." As much as Apple has done to improve the computing and smart phone market, it constantly seeks to limit that innovation in a manner that allows Apple to reap the greatest profit.

Perhaps with their God-Emperor gone, the company will take off the crazy pants and stop trying to sabotage the same innovation they claim to champion.

Westboro Baptist can go die in a fire, though. If they really do show up at the funeral, I hope the fire department opens the hoses on them.

a5ehren

mrt144 wrote:

You know why computing isn't accessible for millions? Cause it costs too much. Apple in particular has a high barrier of entry. That post is so laughable; Steve Jobs make computing accessible to non marginalized people and that's more important than philanthropy for marginalized people.

Or more succinctly:

That 3000 dollar MacSe from the 80s had more value than 3000 dollars going towards actual saving of lives.

Yeah, but the choice wasn't "buy a $3000 computer or give $3000 to UNICEF (or whatever)". It was "buy this $3000 computer or this other $3000 computer".

KalTorak

I think trying to compare the positive impact (on... what, the world?) of a industry giant to an act of charity is like comparing spider monkeys and oranges.

randombattle

The Muffin Man wrote:

Dexta wrote:

SyphonBlue wrote:

Dexta wrote:

Steve Jobs contribution to computing and making it accessible for millions of people in a way that was enjoyable is arguably more important than most contributions philantropists ever make to organizations few people ever give a shit about.

This can't be a real post.

Why the fuck wouldn't it be real?

"The ipod did more for the world than actually doing something for the world"?

Really?

Is it so strange to think that the development of the apple macintosh, the first computer to successfully show people that you didn't have to be super rich or a computer person to use computers, might somehow have changed the world in more ways then the CEO of Pepsi donating a few million to save the rainforests?

It was Job's decision to push the macintosh that forced other pc makers to stop pumping out more and more $3000 computers and focus on usable everyday computers. Had he not done that computers would have taken years longer to break out of the high price range that was traditionally assigned to computers.

Whether you agree or not doesn't really change the fact that his actions directly shaped the digital age to be something anyone can be apart of.

mrt144

a5ehren wrote:

mrt144 wrote:

You know why computing isn't accessible for millions? Cause it costs too much. Apple in particular has a high barrier of entry. That post is so laughable; Steve Jobs make computing accessible to non marginalized people and that's more important than philanthropy for marginalized people.

Or more succinctly:

That 3000 dollar MacSe from the 80s had more value than 3000 dollars going towards actual saving of lives.

Yeah, but the choice wasn't "buy a $3000 computer or give $3000 to UNICEF (or whatever)". It was "buy this $3000 computer or this other $3000 computer".

And I never said or implied there was choice. It's purely a 3k computer in the 80s has had more value than 3000 dollars in the 80s to save the lives of people with easily curable diseases. The only way one could make that statement and believe it is that somehow those computers generated more life saving value than actual life saving, which I can affirm that hours and hours of Oregon Trail and Sim City did not do.

cloudeagle

Guess what? Westboro Baptist Church, those fun guys who hate everything, announced they're going to protest Steve Jobs' funeral. But they probably should have changed Twitter platforms first:

wandering

haha I've seen that image many times but never noticed the part at the bottom.

Javen

randombattle wrote:

The Muffin Man wrote:

Dexta wrote:

SyphonBlue wrote:

Dexta wrote:

Steve Jobs contribution to computing and making it accessible for millions of people in a way that was enjoyable is arguably more important than most contributions philantropists ever make to organizations few people ever give a shit about.

This can't be a real post.

Why the fuck wouldn't it be real?

"The ipod did more for the world than actually doing something for the world"?

Really?

Is it so strange to think that the development of the apple macintosh, the first computer to successfully show people that you didn't have to be super rich or a computer person to use computers, might somehow have changed the world in more ways then the CEO of Pepsi donating a few million to save the rainforests?

It was Job's decision to push the macintosh that forced other pc makers to stop pumping out more and more $3000 computers and focus on usable everyday computers. Had he not done that computers would have taken years longer to break out of the high price range that was traditionally assigned to computers.

Whether you agree or not doesn't really change the fact that his actions directly shaped the digital age to be something anyone can be apart of.

Unfortunately this isn't anything that can even begin to be measured without complete control over space and time.

mrt144

i disagree with the assertion that the digital age is something anyone can be a part of.

Arivia

The Mac was Jef Raskin's idea.

Arivia

The original one more thing:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Tell_Adam_Hes_An_Asshole.txt&sortOrder=Sort by Date

randombattle

You can disagree that the digital age is not something for everyone but the simple fact is just about every single person on the planet is shaped in part by computers and the way they are integrated into the world.

Arivia wrote:

The Mac was Jef Raskin's idea.

It was but it was Jobs that pushed it into the forefront. With out him it would have not been pushed as hard or perhaps even at all.

Jobs didn't invent a lot of things he pushed them where they needed to be or put them in front of people.

Tofystedeth

Premier kakos wrote:

You know, humanity as a whole needs both innovation and charity. And yes, the fact that we don't have to use floppy disks anymore is probably bigger for humanity as a whole than treating malaria. The whole of human technological revolution has revolutionized humanity as a species, drastically extending our lives, increasing our comfort in the world, and freeing us to pursue more abstract things and the continual miniaturization of data storage is a large part of our computational technological progress and that helps humanity as a whole.

Jobs did nothing to eliminate the use of floppy disks. All he did was make a computer that didn't include a floppy disk drive long after people had largely stopped using them. It was at best a final nail or last straw situation.

Jokerman

Tofystedeth wrote:

Premier kakos wrote:

You know, humanity as a whole needs both innovation and charity. And yes, the fact that we don't have to use floppy disks anymore is probably bigger for humanity as a whole than treating malaria. The whole of human technological revolution has revolutionized humanity as a species, drastically extending our lives, increasing our comfort in the world, and freeing us to pursue more abstract things and the continual miniaturization of data storage is a large part of our computational technological progress and that helps humanity as a whole.

Jobs did nothing to eliminate the use of floppy disks. All he did was make a computer that didn't include a floppy disk drive long after people had largely stopped using them. It was at best a final nail or last straw situation.

I still used floppy disk as late as 2006 working on the college newspaper.

ssendam

Some people blast Jobs for working conditions in China. So what do actual Chinese people think of Steve Jobs?

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/10/06/chinese-mourn-their-hero-steve-jobs

Steve Jobs was a hero for many around the world, but in China, his status was almost mystical. Like his life, his death has captivated millions of Chinese Apple fans, and prompted some wistful questioning over whether China could ever have its own technology magician.

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/06/weibo_turns_into_mass_apple_cult_to.php

When news of Steve Jobs' death hit Weibo this morning around 7:45am, the Chinese weibosphere absolutely exploded with tributes, quotes, videos, news, and photos. We logged on around 9am to find a big black bar across our Weibo homepage informing us of Jobs' death, directing us to this page, which has received almost 50,000 comments. The page also links you to other sites where you can memorialize Jobs, take surveys about him, and discuss his influence on the digital world.
On Sina's list of the top forwarded Weibs of the day, Jobs makes it into 9 of the top 12 when we last checked, with the top post being forwarded 65,000 times and rising fast. And that's nothing compared to Sina's Breaking News weibo account - after their initial post on the death at 7:46am, then have had literally nothing but Steve Jobs coverage for four hours. Sina has also created this page devoted to him.
We all knew Jobs was as popular in China as his much-loved Apple products, but yikes. It seems like people haven't been this beside themselves since 1976.

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/08/25/steve-jobs-prompts-soul-searching-in-china

Why isn’t there a person like Jobs in China? Jobs has created and expanded his kingdom, using innovation as the most useful weapon. He will feel no regret after stepping down.
What’s shameful for China is that innovation is like a fairy tale in this country. When Jobs and his colleagues are developing new products one after another, factories in southern China are satisfied with being a copycat phone production line…
We have a magical equipment manufacturer – Foxconn – which produces huge numbers of iPhones and iPads. However we cannot produce a nice phone with our own brands. We are called a copycat country.
What Jobs thinks is always different with what our companies are doing. There will be no Jobs in China and no Apple in China without innovation. We are at the bottom of the smile curve. We can get 5% profits while others get 95%. The “factory of the world” cannot realise its technology dreams.

So, yeah, basically Apple fanboys.

Premier kakos

Tofystedeth wrote:

Premier kakos wrote:

You know, humanity as a whole needs both innovation and charity. And yes, the fact that we don't have to use floppy disks anymore is probably bigger for humanity as a whole than treating malaria. The whole of human technological revolution has revolutionized humanity as a species, drastically extending our lives, increasing our comfort in the world, and freeing us to pursue more abstract things and the continual miniaturization of data storage is a large part of our computational technological progress and that helps humanity as a whole.

Jobs did nothing to eliminate the use of floppy disks. All he did was make a computer that didn't include a floppy disk drive long after people had largely stopped using them. It was at best a final nail or last straw situation.

Yes and no. While you are correct that floppy disks were dying out, Apple did make the leap and say, "Hey, let's just get rid of this worthless thing." and the rest of the market followed. I think that's probably Steve Jobs ultimate legacy is not that his company invented all these great things, but rather he took ideas that had been sort of floating around and made them into something coherent and usable and then forged ahead of the market and forced the market to follow him into the future. Apple didn't invent the mouse, the portable music player, the tablet computer, the GUI, etc., but it did take those things and made them accessible to everyone and the rest of the industry followed behind.

FF

Arivia wrote:

The original one more thing:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Tell_Adam_Hes_An_Asshole.txt&sortOrder=Sort by Date

Knowing that now...thinking back to every keynote I've been to.

That's fucking funny right there.

mrt144

ssendam wrote:

Some people blast Jobs for working conditions in China. So what do actual Chinese people think of Steve Jobs?

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/10/06/chinese-mourn-their-hero-steve-jobs

Steve Jobs was a hero for many around the world, but in China, his status was almost mystical. Like his life, his death has captivated millions of Chinese Apple fans, and prompted some wistful questioning over whether China could ever have its own technology magician.

http://shanghaiist.com/2011/10/06/weibo_turns_into_mass_apple_cult_to.php

When news of Steve Jobs' death hit Weibo this morning around 7:45am, the Chinese weibosphere absolutely exploded with tributes, quotes, videos, news, and photos. We logged on around 9am to find a big black bar across our Weibo homepage informing us of Jobs' death, directing us to this page, which has received almost 50,000 comments. The page also links you to other sites where you can memorialize Jobs, take surveys about him, and discuss his influence on the digital world.
On Sina's list of the top forwarded Weibs of the day, Jobs makes it into 9 of the top 12 when we last checked, with the top post being forwarded 65,000 times and rising fast. And that's nothing compared to Sina's Breaking News weibo account - after their initial post on the death at 7:46am, then have had literally nothing but Steve Jobs coverage for four hours. Sina has also created this page devoted to him.
We all knew Jobs was as popular in China as his much-loved Apple products, but yikes. It seems like people haven't been this beside themselves since 1976.

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/08/25/steve-jobs-prompts-soul-searching-in-china

Why isn’t there a person like Jobs in China? Jobs has created and expanded his kingdom, using innovation as the most useful weapon. He will feel no regret after stepping down.
What’s shameful for China is that innovation is like a fairy tale in this country. When Jobs and his colleagues are developing new products one after another, factories in southern China are satisfied with being a copycat phone production line…
We have a magical equipment manufacturer – Foxconn – which produces huge numbers of iPhones and iPads. However we cannot produce a nice phone with our own brands. We are called a copycat country.
What Jobs thinks is always different with what our companies are doing. There will be no Jobs in China and no Apple in China without innovation. We are at the bottom of the smile curve. We can get 5% profits while others get 95%. The “factory of the world” cannot realise its technology dreams.

So, yeah, basically Apple fanboys.

The interesting thing about the last post is that there is much to the idea that China is having a hard time innovating at anything and basically just apes/steals/makes whatever western IP they find.

Magus`

Yeah, I seem to recall an absolute shitload of cheap and very obvious knock-offs of popular shit coming from China.

Weren't they responsible for that PSP knock off that was inferior to the original Gameboy?

Durkhanus

I still use the floppy disk now.

Premier kakos

Durkhanus wrote:

I still use the floppy disk now.

Viagra can help with that.

Magus`

Is there any reason to not use flash drives nowadays? I haven't ran into a computer without a USB port and a 4GB flash drive is like 10 bucks nowadays.

gtrmp

ssendam wrote:

Some people blast Jobs for working conditions in China. So what do actual Chinese people think of Steve Jobs?

Curiously enough, nobody's interviewed the employees at Foxconn to ask their opinion. I wonder why not?

Schrodinger

Donkey Kong wrote:

I really doubt that Steve Jobs didn't give to charity because he was too much of a perfectionist. That is crazy people logic. That's like the answer you give when cornered in a job interview. "Oh this gap on my resume? Er... I couldn't get a job because I was TOO employable."

No, it's more like saying, "I didn't bother applying because that job was too much for me, I didn't think I would do a good enough job, and I wouldn't have the passion to keep going."

Look at his response to the Rolling Stone interview. The guy starts asking him about big picture issues when it comes to the implications of technology on society, and Steve Jobs pretty much zones out at that point. His job is to give society the tools, not to change it directly.

Keep in mind that he was also part of the flower power generation and was part of protests at Berkley. And then he shaved his beard and trimmed his beard and stopped being such a hippie.

Schrodinger

I'm pr

mrt144 wrote:

You know why computing isn't accessible for millions? Cause it costs too much. Apple in particular has a high barrier of entry. That post is so laughable; Steve Jobs make computing accessible to non marginalized people and that's more important than philanthropy for marginalized people.

Or more succinctly:

That 3000 dollar MacSe from the 80s had more value than 3000 dollars going towards actual saving of lives.

Yeah, but with a $3000 MacSE, you can now do desktop publishing, where as traditional publishing equipment might have previously cost you tens of thousands of dollars. If you're a non-profit organization, you need have an affordable tool for designing your fliers and your handouts.

Steve Jobs is a man who provided the world with useful tools. It's up to the world to decide how to use them.

dlinfiniti

Schrodinger wrote:

I'm pr

mrt144 wrote:

You know why computing isn't accessible for millions? Cause it costs too much. Apple in particular has a high barrier of entry. That post is so laughable; Steve Jobs make computing accessible to non marginalized people and that's more important than philanthropy for marginalized people.

Or more succinctly:

That 3000 dollar MacSe from the 80s had more value than 3000 dollars going towards actual saving of lives.

Yeah, but with a $3000 MacSE, you can now do desktop publishing, where as traditional publishing equipment might have previously cost you tens of thousands of dollars. If you're a non-profit organization, you need have an affordable tool for designing your fliers and your handouts.

Steve Jobs is a man who provided the world with useful tools. It's up to the world apple to decide how to use them.

fix'd

Durkhanus

Magus` wrote:

Is there any reason to not use flash drives nowadays? I haven't ran into a computer without a USB port and a 4GB flash drive is like 10 bucks nowadays.

Yes. The ancient program I must use for work uses DOS. There is one particular routine that uses the 3.5" floppy drive which must use the A: designation.

Magus`

Who the hell do you work for