Homeland[sho] - She's not crazy, simply in love!

zeeny

Season 2 trailer is here. I remember being frustrated at times last season, but no doubts I'll be watching you it.



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Homeland is an American psychological thriller television series developed by Howard Gordon and Alex Gansa, based on the Israeli series Prisoners of War created by Gideon Raff. The series stars Claire Danes as Carrie Mathison, a CIA operations officer who has come to believe that an American Marine, who was held captive by Al-Qaeda as a prisoner of war, was turned by the enemy and now poses a significant risk to national security.

It has an excellent cast:







It had a very decent pilot with writing that I personally enjoyed and it screams 1 season wrap up goodness.
I don't expect it to be as good as Sleeper Cell, but I can easily see it becoming one of my favorite shows on TV.

You can watch the pilot on Showtime's official youtube channel here.

[Tycho?]

Oh, hi Inara. Still looking hot I see.

dlinfiniti

i like how dick winters is evil now
i don't like how the protagonist has psych issues and they may become the focus of some plotlines

Dracomicron

I didn't notice that it was Morena Baccarin in her first scene. Goes to show what I wasn't looking at..

I actually like Claire Daines's psych issues. It makes her character feel more real and less mary sue.

Carpy

my wife liked it but I wasn't impressed. The way the chick just latches onto the idea that he is a traitor out of no where is really off putting to me.

Dracomicron

Carpy wrote:

my wife liked it but I wasn't impressed. The way the chick just latches onto the idea that he is a traitor out of no where is really off putting to me.

It isn't really out of nowhere. It's a longshot intelligence-led lead from her time in the field. The plot works because she's nuts. She just can't let go of the idea that what she heard in the prison could be true after she hears that a POW is coming home.

Captain Tragedy

The fact that Claire Danes is a complete goddamn train wreck of a human being (if not just flat out crazy and paranoid over nothing) is what I like about the show - it's more interesting than "spunky analyst who's totally right about the soldier but has a single token character flaw for 'complexity'". I can understand it being off-putting, but it works for me so far.

Henroid

dlinfiniti wrote:

i like how dick winters is evil now
i don't like how the protagonist has psych issues and they may become the focus of some plotlines

It kinda screws with my head to see an actor play the role of a really great dude, and then play the role of a bad dude.

zeeny

Captain Tragedy wrote:

The fact that Claire Danes is a complete goddamn train wreck of a human being (if not just flat out crazy and paranoid over nothing) is what I like about the show - it's more interesting than "spunky analyst who's totally right about the soldier but has a single token character flaw for 'complexity'". I can understand it being off-putting, but it works for me so far.

I loved it when she tried to come on to Saul out of desperation. It was a great scene.

Pat_McRoch

She had good reason to believe he may be a trader because of intel she thought wasnt relevant nor true at the time turns out to ne of use when they discover the pow. I do hope that now she has some traction with her mentor that she isnt as insane as she was in the first episode though.

Premier kakos

Oh, WTF, you talk about how it has a great cast and you forget to mention the greatest member of the cast?

Prepare to die.

Tomanta

I watched the pilot because it was an interesting concept and I like the cast.

I have found the show itself to be excellent.

adytum

I haven't had a chance to watch this yet, but I hope at some point they're able to work Garret Dillahunt in as an Eastern European criminal/terrorist- for old time's sake.

Carpy

Dracomicron wrote:

Carpy wrote:

my wife liked it but I wasn't impressed. The way the chick just latches onto the idea that he is a traitor out of no where is really off putting to me.

It isn't really out of nowhere. It's a longshot intelligence-led lead from her time in the field. The plot works because she's nuts. She just can't let go of the idea that what she heard in the prison could be true after she hears that a POW is coming home.

I guess i need to rewatch the intro then, i admit i was totally paying attention at the first scene. And I too think that the idea she is a massive trainwreck is far more interesting than what i was expecting going into the show.

jefe414

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Claire Danes as an actress but she is really pulling it off. I've only seen the first episode (is it on Mondays or Sundays?).

Tomanta

jefe414 wrote:

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Claire Danes as an actress but she is really pulling it off. I've only seen the first episode (is it on Mondays or Sundays?).

Sunday after Dexter (10/9c)

And since it is SHO probably several other times during the week.

CptHamilton

I'm curious where they're going to go with the show. I can't see them making the guy actually a terrorist and go about doing terrorist stuff while evading capture/detection, given the current sociopolitical climate of the US.

dlinfiniti

CptHamilton wrote:

I'm curious where they're going to go with the show. I can't see them making the guy actually a terrorist and go about doing terrorist stuff while evading capture/detection, given the current sociopolitical climate of the US.

i'm pretty sure they're gonna figure out a way to make him a sympathetic character

Malkor

Wait...

So V is off the air?

Also I have this OnDemand. Should I watch it y/n? Is it at all like Sleeper Cell?

Hoz

This is quality stuff.

Since it's Showtime I was worried it'd be the same people that were behind Sleeper Cell. That show was awful.

Dracomicron

Oh man.

Spoiler:

That harem chick is so toast. Carrie has no fucking idea how to keep her safe in the long run. Too bad; she's cute.

zeeny

Excellent again.

zeeny

Malkor wrote:

Wait...

So V is off the air?

Also I have this OnDemand. Should I watch it y/n? Is it at all like Sleeper Cell?

It's not as good as Sleeper Cell, but if that's the criteria you should never watch TV again.
Go for it and find out, it's an intriguing series with interesting characters and excellent acting.

finnith

Some people are divided on whether or not this is a show with a right or left-wing agenda.

Personally I think Carrie's paranoia is supposed to be a comment on how paranoid some parts of the world are right now but I think it's way too early to tell.

Oh and *spoilers*

Spoiler:

So much for Lynne.

Hoz

Lawrence O'Donnell *gag*

zeeny

finnith wrote:

Some people are divided on whether or not this is a show with a right or left-wing agenda.

Personally I think Carrie's paranoia is supposed to be a comment on how paranoid some parts of the world are right now but I think it's way too early to tell.

Oh and *spoilers*

Spoiler:

So much for Lynne.

Because every show has to have an agenda?

finnith

Because the producers on Homeland have 24 in their previous experience listings. From what those same people say 24 was decidedly a right-wing show. I dunno though, I never actually watched it.

zeeny

Yes, but on the other side, Showtime is a channel that shows tits & dicks and it's an established fact that tits & dicks are strictly part of the left agenda, so, who knows!

Hacksaw

Henroid wrote:

dlinfiniti wrote:

i like how dick winters is evil now
i don't like how the protagonist has psych issues and they may become the focus of some plotlines

It kinda screws with my head to see an actor play the role of a really great dude, and then play the role of a bad dude.

Except he's not definitively bad. We don't know what he is yet.

Hoz wrote:

Lawrence O'Donnell *gag*

Larry did great. You hush.

zeeny

Hacksaw wrote:

Henroid wrote:

dlinfiniti wrote:

i like how dick winters is evil now
i don't like how the protagonist has psych issues and they may become the focus of some plotlines

It kinda screws with my head to see an actor play the role of a really great dude, and then play the role of a bad dude.

Except he's not definitively bad. We don't know what he is yet.

I realize you are right, but I'd be severely disappointed if they pull up a fairy tale on us and suddenly he's not the bad guy. I love how hard it is to dislike the character.

Bedigunz

I'm really hoping he doesn't (potentially) stop being a terrorist based on the love of his son and daughter.

I'd have to legit turn the TV off if that happened.

Gosprey

I kind of assumed its set up so that at some point during his homecoming, his view shifts so that he's only going through the motions of being `converted' so he can get inside and make the conspiracy fail, doing it all lone wolf style.

Season finale is Claire Danes finally convincing the department that he's a bad dude, then reviewing some shitty video footage and having a mad climactic rush to make sure the agents don't kill him based on her mistaken earlier conclusion.

zeeny

Gosprey wrote:

I kind of assumed its set up so that at some point during his homecoming, his view shifts so that he's only going through the motions of being `converted' so he can get inside and make the conspiracy fail, doing it all lone wolf style.

Season finale is Claire Danes finally convincing the department that he's a bad dude, then reviewing some shitty video footage and having a mad climactic rush to make sure the agents don't kill him based on her mistaken earlier conclusion.

My dream season finale is
(not sure why I'm spoilering)

Spoiler:

Carrie completely losing the plot and shooting him in front of witnesses without having definite evidence of his future actions(in the setting and for the viewer), last scene she's getting cuffed. THE END. No season 2.

Edit: If it ends like you said, I'm coming for you......

Gosprey

I have to say, this is the episode that sells me on the series. What in hell is Carrie playing at?

Dracomicron

Gosprey wrote:

I have to say, this is the episode that sells me on the series. What in hell is Carrie playing at?

Spoiler:

She got yanked from the case, so she's setting up a method of maintaining contact with Brody that she can potentially keep relatively anonymous.

Which is interesting, because I Want To Be A Field Agent Guy will be spying on her and may come up with Brody's terrorist plot info by accident. Either way it could end up with Carrie getting her goose cooked. I predict she seduces I Want To Be A Field Agent Guy at some point to "flip" him.

surrealitycheck

this show is quite uncomfortable to watch because it's so hard to sympathise with claire danes

autono-wally, erotibot300

only slightly on topic, but after watching Raging Bull I was able to watch movies with unlikeable protagonists.

surrealitycheck

it's more that she just embarrasses herself and you can see it coming

Hoz

I love the Claire Danes character.

Tomanta

Is it bad that I spend the episodes trying to figure out which of the leads is the most mentally unstable?

ArbitraryDescriptor

It is so nice to see Morena permitted to portray human emotion again. Burn in hell, V.

Finally cleared ep 3 and 4 out of my DVR backlog and I'm good and hooked.