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[Occupy Wall Street] For Fun and Profit
ElJeffe
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OWS main site http://occupywallst.org/
OWS launched a new tumblr that archives the notes they receive with all the donated packages of food, clothing, and supplies:
http://occupywallstreetcarepackages.tumblr.com/
Want to donate? Send stuff here:
The UPS Store
Re: Occupy Wall Street
118A Fulton St. #205
New York, NY 10038
Money orders only please, cannot cash checks yet. Non-perishable goods only. We can accept packages of any size. We're currently low on food.
You can also use Amazon and the like to ship rice and dried beans - good protein, easy to store, does not spoil easily - directly to that address.
As of November 5, you can now donate to the food vendors that service Zuccotti Park.
http://streetvendor.org/ows
You can also donate according to the protester's needs here:
http://www.occupywishlist.org/
PM me any information about resources on how to get involved and I will add it to this post.
Trotskysm implicates a desire for permanent revolution (and revolutions are bloodthirsty affairs), while Lacanism implicates that your dumb. People are actually condoning this sort of sedition. It's a disgrace.
"Money tends to corrupt, and lots of money corrupts lotsely" - Me.
Yup, teenagers and twenty somethings frequently do dumb things. Using this stupidity to turn them into eternal indentured servants using propaganda filtered through trusted authority figures, though, is a major social problem. It's pretty much textbook exploitative behavior.
If Kid A gets a college education and becomes a Ph.D. in physics and Kid B fucks around working fast food jobs, Kid B should not be the one in better financial shape when he hits 50. You do this to an entire generation - a generation larger than any in history - and you are asking for world historical levels of trouble.
But it kinda sucks that in order to find out what your interest rate's going to be, you need to submit an application in which they do a credit check. Those credit inquiries lower your credit score!
Life is made harder un-necessarily by our poorly run government. If it continues, and you do nothing, eventually conditions will become so unbearable that a revolution would happen. We need a good riot every now and then to remind the rich that there are still poor and unemployed people here, and that some of them aren't just going to go away.
You can also use Amazon and the like to ship rice and dried beans - good protein, easy to store, does not spoil easily - directly to that address.
Why wouldn't I?
Added to the post. Thanks.
Any more information about how to get involved should be PMed to me so I can put it in that post.
"How dare you loan me this money to pay the exhorbitant fees that my university requires, and expect me to pay it back!"
If the problem is the cost of the education, then shouldn't the protests be happening at the university, rather than/in addition to the bank? Where's the Occupy <Name of University> protest?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/blog/2011/oct/20/eu-crisis-emergency-talks
The chaos is spreading, we need order and swift action by the government of the USA
"Money tends to corrupt, and lots of money corrupts lotsely" - Me.
They don't owe money to the universities. They owe it to the banks/federal government.
Action such as?
Click here for a horrible H/A thread with details.
An iron fist covered in the blood of filthy Marxist protestors.
That's how loans work. The bank loaned them the money on the understanding that they would, you know, pay back the money with interest.
#FreeScheck
#FreeSKFM
I'd suggest prison, but apparently you dream of shedding blood and impute murderous desires to your ideological opponents.
"Money tends to corrupt, and lots of money corrupts lotsely" - Me.
I don't think they would get as much attention. Protests over tuition increases have happened at various universities over the last few years, the news doesn't cover them all that closely unless they start doing something weird, like in I think it was UC Davis (somewhere in CA anyways) where some women started running around naked in protest.
There is an assumption that the government wouldn't give me this money if I wasn't going to be able to do something with it. There is this idea that if I get an education, I'll be in a good situation to pay back any loans I get, that isn't always the case. Congress actually tried to pass laws that would restrict funding from programs whose graduates had much lower than average rate of employment, this was being targeted at for profit colleges, but it got neutered by lobbyists and lack of media attention. It was called the "gainful employment rule."
The problem is really money in politics, and media that ignores big issues that effect us. If it wasn't there we might actually fix things so that life is nice for everyone.
I'm pretty sure you're the one that's all rah-rah-revolution in these threads.
Prison for what crimes?
Click here for a horrible H/A thread with details.
Hee.
I got called on my totalitarianishism by the guy demanding prison for peaceful protestors. Orwell would have a field day with this nut.
And that first story just makes it sound like Berlusconi paid some dudes to give him an excuse.
That's only how debt works until you put too many people under too much debt. At that point, debt works like this - people overthrow government, elect someone who promises not to collect those debts.
This is, quite simply, how Athens started the world's first democracy.
Sedition. And, preemptively, intent to murder, and regicide.
"Money tends to corrupt, and lots of money corrupts lotsely" - Me.
But wouldn't they owe less if the costs were more reasonable? It seems like the university system is at the heart of the problem, but they are getting a pass. People are marching to the homes/offices of bankers, but not to university presidents. Shouldn't the outrage go both ways?
you can't force companies to hire. you can give them certain tax credits and shit, but even then, that's not very effective.
I do not think that words means what you think it means.
Who is the Monarch they are planning to kill?
"Money tends to corrupt, and lots of money corrupts lotsely" - Me.
A job that allows you to pay back a $120,000 student loan better be a damn sight better than "decent paying". That will easily cost you north of $1200 a month to repay.
#FreeScheck
#FreeSKFM
Because 9% think it's too high, and shouldn't be cut! 9% of respondents could not fully
get their arms around the question. There should be another box you can check for, "I
have utterly no idea what you're talking about. Please, God, don't ask for my input."
Universities aren't the cause either, at least not the public ones. The other side of the loan explosion has been a massive decrease in state legislative support of public university systems. Since it still costs a lot of money to hire professors and maintain buildings, much less invest in modern scientific equipment, those costs have to be covered somewhere.
There is an argument to be made that colleges have too many perks these days. There is truth in this, but even then it's not as simple as it seems. Colleges, for one example, have lavish dining halls because they need to compete with private restaurants, and it has proven more profitable to compete on quality for all students' food dollars than it is to maintain cafeteria level facilities for a handful of poor students who cannot afford to eat off campus.
At least with federal loans, you can qualify for income-based repayment and debt forgiveness under certain conditions. private loans... not so much.
I wonder how true is it that, even if you increase the amount of Federal aid to students, that universities will just keep raising tuition to match it.
There have been protests at universities. Every time the University of California regents raise tuition, students protest.
Those protests don't get national coverage, though, because they're state affairs.
Edit: way beated
It also has to do with an overall reduction in federal aid. I posted in the last thread about how much Pell Grants used to cover. At one point, they covered over 75% of the cost. Now? You'd be lucky to scratch 25%.
We need laws that prevent tuition from rising faster than inflation in way that won't lead to layoffs and/or teacher's getting paid less.
We also need the US to take on a bigger role of providing financial aid to their students. While the majority already receive some amount of money, it needs to be higher across the board.
And not every student gets Pell Grants. As near as I can tell, the government decides who qualifies for those by throwing the applications up in the air and randomly catching a few as they fall.