[Sandusky Sex Abuse] 60mil fine for Penn St, 4 year post season ban

Atomika

Mvrck wrote:

Sandusky waived his hearing this morning. Most of the victims had showed up to testify, as well as McQuerey and a few others. Schultz and Curley have their hearings on Friday.

Apparently the judge had to reprimand the viewers in the gallery. After Sandusky waived his hearing, the courtroom erupted into derisive laughter and snarking.

AngelHedgie

KalTorak wrote:

Magus` wrote:

Removing plea bargaining period would grind our courts to a halt. They would collapse in a week.

Basically. Even if the prosecution had a rock-solid, caught-red-handed-with-20-witnesses case against you there would be no reason not to fight it.

Actually, there would be. If you know the case is solid against you, antagonizing the court by insisting on a trial would just make things worse for you at sentencing.

And I don't buy that ending plea bargaining would grind the courts to a halt.

Fencingsax

AngelHedgie wrote:

KalTorak wrote:

Magus` wrote:

Removing plea bargaining period would grind our courts to a halt. They would collapse in a week.

Basically. Even if the prosecution had a rock-solid, caught-red-handed-with-20-witnesses case against you there would be no reason not to fight it.

Actually, there would be. If you know the case is solid against you, antagonizing the court by insisting on a trial would just make things worse for you at sentencing.

And I don't buy that ending plea bargaining would grind the courts to a halt.

Do you know what the backlog for an average court is right now?

Atomika

Seriously. Now I'm almost starting to feel bad for Sandusky.

Sandusky lawyer Joe Amendola: "If you believe [these accusations], you need to call 1-800-REALITY."

Which is a gay sex hotline. For real.



Also, choice bits from the post-fake-hearing news junket:

- Sandusky: "This is the fight of my life, bigger than any game I've coached. I'm in this for all four quarters."

- Lawyer Joe: These kids just want some of that fat Penn State settlement cash; "What greater motivation, folks, could there be than the financial motivation of saying, 'I'm a victim.'"

And then Lawyer Joe went on to make a joke about Sandusky's slow manner of speaking, marked by frequent pauses, as being on purpose because NBC was paying them by the second for the interview.




At this point, I'm fairly sure Sandusky would get better representation from the Hyperchicken.

Preacher

I think Sandusky would actually be better off representing himself.

The Ender

Is Sandusky under some sort of guard at the moment? I'd be amazed if he didn't try to kill himself before the whole trainwreck goes to court.

Preacher

He posted bail, so he's at home.

Mvrck

The Ender wrote:

Is Sandusky under some sort of guard at the moment? I'd be amazed if he didn't try to kill himself before the whole trainwreck goes to court.

I think the flaw with this view, is that by all accounts, Sandusky doesn't think he did anything wrong. He is seriously all kinds of fucked in the head (even beyond the whole raping kids thing). I think he honestly believes that everything he does helps kids and they want him to do it.

Darklyre

So apparently Sandusky's lawyer held a news conference in which he told everyone who believed Sandusky was guilty to call 1-800-REALITY.

1-800-REALITY is a gay sex line.

At this point I think either Sandusky's going for some kind of bad representation defense at the appeal of his inevitable guilty verdict, or his lawyer is doing the greatest troll ever.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Jerry-Sandusky-8217-s-lawyer-suggests-calling-a?urn=ncaaf-wp11446

Atomika

Darklyre wrote:

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Look, like, five posts up.

Darklyre

Atomic Ross wrote:

Darklyre wrote:

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Look, like, five posts up.

Damnit I just saw it on Yahoo and was all like "I GOT A SCOOP." :cry:

The Ender

I dunno, it could just be the most forehead slapping coincidence ever. I mean, I get what the lawyer is trying to say ("You need a reality check").


Just, Jesus. He is so fucking bad at his job.

Sandusky is actually paying him real money to do this?

Vanguard

I feel bad laughing for anything related to this case, but good god, that is so ridiculously over the top funny.

Magus`

It honestly sounds like they're just a pair of good ol' boys and only they understand each other. Or something.

zepherin

AngelHedgie wrote:

Actually, there would be. If you know the case is solid against you, antagonizing the court by insisting on a trial would just make things worse for you at sentencing.

And I don't buy that ending plea bargaining would grind the courts to a halt.

Maybe, or maybe not but it would bankrupt the United States to do it. The whole judicial system would have to be reworked.

KalTorak

AngelHedgie wrote:

KalTorak wrote:

Magus` wrote:

Removing plea bargaining period would grind our courts to a halt. They would collapse in a week.

Basically. Even if the prosecution had a rock-solid, caught-red-handed-with-20-witnesses case against you there would be no reason not to fight it.

Actually, there would be. If you know the case is solid against you, antagonizing the court by insisting on a trial would just make things worse for you at sentencing.

So you would waive your right to a trial in hopes of getting a lighter sentence... like a plea bargain?

JustinSane07

It's amazing Sandusky's lawyer hasn't like, wandered into the woods and been mauled by a bear. That's how stupid this man is.

The Ender

JustinSane07 wrote:

It's amazing Sandusky's lawyer hasn't like, wandered into the woods and been mauled by a bear. That's how stupid this man is.

Maybe it's just that he can't figure out how to work devices as complex as his door handle?

Vanguard

Sandusky's Lawyer is arguing that he was just teaching them how to shower properly. No, this is not a joke:

Some of these kids don't have basic hygiene skills. Teaching a person to shower at the age of 12 or 14 sounds strange to some people, but people who work with troubled youth will tell you there are a lot of juvenile delinquents and people who are dependent who have to be taught basic life skills like how to put soap on their body.

http://deadspin.com/5868312/one-of-jerry-sanduskys-lawyers-says-he-was-only-trying-to-teach-troubled-youth-how-to-shower-properly

KalTorak

there are not enough facepalms in the world

Preacher

Now to be fair to his moronic other lawyer, this is a new lawyer who is apparently equally as retarded.

Because they are now flat out admitting Sandusky was showering with the children, and thats not a good place to be in a "did he molest them trial."

Props from the comments on that article for "Wince and repeat."

Vanguard

I don't see how this is anything other than an admission of guilt.

Preacher

Vanguard wrote:

I don't see how this is anything other than an admission of guilt.

He truely has the worst representation in the world. Central to any allegation of molestation is proving the accused had access and opportunity, by going with the "He was teaching them how to clean themselves" defense they just proved he had them both. Not to mention its completely freaking assinine to say that 10 year olds don't know how to shower themselves properly. WHAT THE F KIND OF DEFENSE IS THAT?!

enlightenedbum

This is the second time I've heard someone make this claim in college football in the last... 15 months? Derek Dooley at Tennessee after some players got staph infections decided to teach his players "shower discipline." So this might be a weird football culture thing.

Of course, presumably Dooley wasn't hands on, so to speak.

VeritasVR

I guess if they were without water for a time, it would be difficult to ah ha haHAHAHAHA- wow.

Mvrck

So tomorrow will (hopefully) be informative as to what the fuck really happened with the PSU administration. All indications are that Schultz and Curley are going to fight to have their charges thrown out, which means we'll get testimonies from them, as well as probably McQuerey and maybe even a written statement from Paterno.

The other bit of analysis that came up over on BSD. Contrary to the GJ summary, you cannot actually see into the shower area directly from the locker room. There is a tiled toweling area that connects the two, and it would match at least one of the stories that the McQuerey saw the boy stick his head into that area while at his locker.

But as for actually witnessing the rape, he would have had to have moved into the shower area to actually view it. He could not have seen it from his locker as stated in the summary.

Mvrck

McQuerey currently testifying in the hearing.

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/12/16/2639749/mike-mcqueary-tim-curley-preliminary-hearing?login=1324043775

Live feed of proceedings there.

Cabezone

Yeah so that coward did see a boy being raped and just left.

Preacher

Cabezone wrote:

Yeah so that coward did see a boy being raped and just left.

But but he said he stopped it! So when will he mention he went to the police? Or was that more bullshit bravado not under oath crap?

Preacher

Wow coward, fucking liar, and buck passer, Mike Mcqueary everyone!

McQueary says he peeked in the shower several times -- and by the last time, they had separated. But McQueary told the court, "I know they saw me. They looked directly in my eye, both of them."

"Seeing that they were separated, I thought it was best that I leave the locker room," he explained.

And lets not forget if you go to the comptroller of your city, its totally the same thing as going to the police.

When asked why he didn't report the incident to police, McQueary explained that he had spoken with PSU Vice President Gary Schultz and felt that was good enough because Schultz oversaw the campus police.

"I thought I was talking to the head of the police, to be frank with you," McQueary said. "In my mind it was like speaking to a [district attorney]. It was someone who police reported to and would know what to do with it."

Sad part is that second statement is straight out of a lot of apologists mouths even when its absolutely wrong. Schultz's office provides the funding for the police thats it, Schultz is not, has not been, nor will ever be a part of the police organization on campus, anymore than any of your local city council, comptroller, or mayor is considered a police officer. As a grown god damn man he should and probably did know that.

zepherin

Preacher wrote:

Cabezone wrote:

Yeah so that coward did see a boy being raped and just left.

But but he said he stopped it! So when will he mention he went to the police? Or was that more bullshit bravado not under oath crap?

I hope someone spends exactly the same amount of effort to stop him from being raped in prison.
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Henroid

Vanguard wrote:

Sandusky's Lawyer is arguing that he was just teaching them how to shower properly. No, this is not a joke:

Some of these kids don't have basic hygiene skills. Teaching a person to shower at the age of 12 or 14 sounds strange to some people, but people who work with troubled youth will tell you there are a lot of juvenile delinquents and people who are dependent who have to be taught basic life skills like how to put soap on their body.

http://deadspin.com/5868312/one-of-jerry-sanduskys-lawyers-says-he-was-only-trying-to-teach-troubled-youth-how-to-shower-properly

Should've stuck with the Michael Jackson defense. "Of course he likes little boys!"

Preacher

I do like how in McQueary's testimony he admits at one point he didn't go to the police because it was "delicate" and then claims Schultz is the same thing, also when he originally called Paterno, Paterno suspected it was about a job opening and told him he didn't have one (and yet McQueary after this incident got one later... curious).

hadoken

zepherin wrote:

Preacher wrote:

Cabezone wrote:

Yeah so that coward did see a boy being raped and just left.

But but he said he stopped it! So when will he mention he went to the police? Or was that more bullshit bravado not under oath crap?

I hope someone spends exactly the same amount of effort to stop him from being raped in prison.
</cranky>

I understand your anger, but now I feel guilty for agreeing just a little bit. Nobody deserves rape. I hope they place Sandusky in complete isolation so he doesn't get raped in prison :S

Preacher

http://deadspin.com/5868882/joe-paterno-didnt-want-to-disturb-anyones-weekend-with-child-sex-abuse-allegations-and-other-things-we-learned-today?tag=penn-state-scandal

Apparently Child rape is not something to disturb peoples weekends over, nor is apparently an adult touching a childs genitals a crime.

shryke

Preacher wrote:

http://deadspin.com/5868882/joe-paterno-didnt-want-to-disturb-anyones-weekend-with-child-sex-abuse-allegations-and-other-things-we-learned-today?tag=penn-state-scandal

Apparently Child rape is not something to disturb peoples weekends over, nor is apparently an adult touching a childs genitals a crime.

Such a classy guy. I can see why people defend him.

lwt1973

Former Penn State players doing the support thing now.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7374819/over-340-former-penn-state-nittany-lions-players-support-joe-paterno-letter

Text of the letter:

Spoiler:

As members of the Penn State Community, we are deeply saddened by the allegations against Jerry Sandusky, and our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. Given the allegations against Sandusky, we understand the public’s outrage because we share it.

At the same time, however, it’s important to remember that all of the facts surrounding this troubling matter are not known. Until all of the facts are known and due process has run its course, we ask that the public reserve judgment about Joe Paterno and the Penn State community.

Having known Coach Paterno for many years, we can say with certainty that Joe Paterno is a remarkable man and that Penn State is a remarkable institution. Joe has had a profound effect on the lives of almost every member of the Penn State family. Joe has taught Penn State faith, fairness, philanthropy and the importance of academic excellence – all values that make Penn State a great institution today.

Penn State’s new president recently said that he wants the university to be known as a great research institution. In fact, the institution that Joe helped build is much larger than a single coach or team. Penn State is 94,300 students on 24 campuses. We are Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, Dickinson School of Law and Smeal College of Business. We are the world’s largest dues-paying alumni association. We are home of the world’s largest student run philanthropic organization. We are the University that has raised over $500,000, to date, for victims of child abuse during its darkest hour.

We are much more than just one man or one sport. We are a great research institution today and a university that prepares all of its graduates for success in many different fields.

Many in the Penn State community view the public’s rush to judgment of Joe as a rush to judgment of everything Penn State. We ask for due process for Joe Paterno and the Penn State community. Based on the immense quality of Joe’s character and the absence of all the facts, we stand in support of Joe and Penn State.

The Penn State Football Family

The following family members have signed the letter:

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Magus`

American Football to replace Religion as having the craziest cult members.

VeritasVR

Magus` wrote:

American Football to replace Religion as having the craziest cult members.

It would be a step up.

Magus`

I dunno, at least the Catholic Church seemed vaguely ashamed of the child abuse (at the time) allegations instead of pissed off that anyone could even dare suggest such a thing.