Skyward: Mastersword Details Disclosed: KILL ALL DEMONS

Speed Racer

pff story

forget zelda, I am busy hanging around skyloft getting with the item check girl

DontShootToasters

I didn't like skyloft very much at first, but it grew on me

mmm yeah gimme dat gratitude crystal

also I beat this game last night!

Spoiler:

I decided to get the super secret shield before the very final boss, which made it seem pretty easy. But I guess they decided to do it similar to wind waker, with a really difficult boss followed immediately by a story driven boss, which I liked a lot.

Also I stabbed fake-akuma with LIGHTNING

Campion

Speed Racer wrote:

NeoToma wrote:

oh my god

holy shit

also just beat the 6th dungeon yayyyy

This is amazing.

Taya

So... where can I find paper?

Spoiler:

?

MechMantis

Taya wrote:

So... where can I find paper?

Spoiler:

?

Same place you find paper in Oracle of Ages.

EDIT: Or rather, you're looking for the same KIND of paper you find in Oracle of Ages for the same person.

Taya

I played Oracle of Ages, but I obviously don't remember much about it because I have no idea what you're talking about.

sligmasta

MechMantis wrote:

Taya wrote:

So... where can I find paper?

Spoiler:

?

Same place you find paper in Oracle of Ages.

EDIT: Or rather, you're looking for the same KIND of paper you find in Oracle of Ages for the same person.

Spoiler:

So I just took the love note from Groose's lackey and immediately gave it to the hand, because fuck that guy. would something different have happened if I actually gave it to the girl?

Speed Racer

sligmasta wrote:

MechMantis wrote:

Taya wrote:

So... where can I find paper?

Spoiler:

?

Same place you find paper in Oracle of Ages.

EDIT: Or rather, you're looking for the same KIND of paper you find in Oracle of Ages for the same person.

Spoiler:

So I just took the love note from Groose's lackey and immediately gave it to the hand, because fuck that guy. would something different have happened if I actually gave it to the girl?

Spoiler:

If you give it to the girl, she lets it out that she's got a crush on Pipit. If you go tell Pipit about it, he'll come down to talk to her just as Cawlin is. She'll turn Cawlin down in front of everyone and admit her feelings for Pipit. No matter what you do Cawlin ends up in a fetal position sobbing for the rest of the game.

Also

the seventh dungeon is fucking awesome

TheStig

Campion wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

NeoToma wrote:

oh my god

holy shit

also just beat the 6th dungeon yayyyy

This is amazing.

now read the youtube comments

Spoiler:

don't ever read the youtube comments

Speed Racer

DontShootToasters wrote:

I didn't like skyloft very much at first, but it grew on me

mmm yeah gimme dat gratitude crystal

also I beat this game last night!

Spoiler:

I decided to get the super secret shield before the very final boss, which made it seem pretty easy. But I guess they decided to do it similar to wind waker, with a really difficult boss followed immediately by a story driven boss, which I liked a lot.

Also I stabbed fake-akuma with LIGHTNING

eff you toasters I'm having a really hard time with it!

Speed Racer

oh

now I figured it out

yeah he's a chump

oop wait died again

DontShootToasters

Speed Racer wrote:

oh

now I figured it out

yeah he's a chump

oop wait died again

the way I did it was

Spoiler:

just shield bash his attack, then counter with a few hits. I had the super sturdy shield, so I have no idea what to do if your shield actually breaks, but I would assume it's much harder then!

his second round is even easier, you just

Spoiler:

skyward strike, then beat the crap outta him, rinse and repeat

Giharim was still a bitch and a half though, but I thought that was still a really cool fight and it made me a bit disappointed that Fi never did anything really awesome

Speed Racer

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Oh you can skyward strike in the second half? Gonna have to try that, it's the second half he's kicking my ass in

at first I didn't realize shield bashes worked on him. He's not that bad without a shield, you just backflip away, then leap attack toward him when he attacks. It's slower but not harder. I've got the fully upgraded Sacred Shield so I may as well have the unbreakable one

DontShootToasters

I haven't used leap attacks the entire game

I... kind of forgot they were even in the game after the first dungeon or so

Speed Racer

yay beat the game

my overall opinion

Spoiler:

the gameplay is the best in the series by far. The levels are fantastically designed, the combat is a goddamn blast, the items are for the most part useful and interesting, and there wasn't really a dull moment.

The story... kinda blew. Kinda blew bigtime. I was really hoping it would be an improvement over TP but, nope. It's around the same ballpark. The plot's just an excuse to go adventuring and sometimes also an excuse for cool scenes like Zelda knighting Link. But those scenes sort of happen in a vacuum and don't pack the kind of punch they would if they happened in, say, Wind Waker. You also don't know a lick of the story for the first 3 dungeons, and then only know a little bit of the story until after the 6th. It almost makes it feel more like a Mario game with Zelda gameplay than a Zelda game. Which is fine since, like I said, the gameplay is fantastic. I just wish we could go back to the Wind Waker/Majora's Mask days where they struck a perfect balance between gameplay and story.

DontShootToasters

Speed Racer wrote:

yay beat the game

my overall opinion

Spoiler:

the gameplay is the best in the series by far. The levels are fantastically designed, the combat is a goddamn blast, the items are for the most part useful and interesting, and there wasn't really a dull moment.

The story... kinda blew. Kinda blew bigtime. I was really hoping it would be an improvement over TP but, nope. It's around the same ballpark. The plot's just an excuse to go adventuring and sometimes also an excuse for cool scenes like Zelda knighting Link. But those scenes sort of happen in a vacuum and don't pack the kind of punch they would if they happened in, say, Wind Waker. You also don't know a lick of the story for the first 3 dungeons, and then only know a little bit of the story until after the 6th. It almost makes it feel more like a Mario game with Zelda gameplay than a Zelda game. Which is fine since, like I said, the gameplay is fantastic. I just wish we could go back to the Wind Waker/Majora's Mask days where they struck a perfect balance between gameplay and story.

i agree with most of that

Spoiler:

I feel like the story started with a lot of promise, but never really capitalizes on it. The beginning stuff with the knights and zelda was cool, but then Fi comes and finds you talking about destiny but they never really explained that destiny or anything behind it. Then the second third of the game is trying to make the master sword, but they never really say why other than "your sword isn't powerful enough", I felt like everything I did was just because it's a zelda game, and there wasn't any real rhyme or reason to any of it.

Giharim was a really cool antagonist though, and I wish they had done more with his whole being an evil version of Fi. Demise was okay, but fighting the imprisoned 3 times was butts.

Gameplay was top notch though, i hope motion plus carries over to the wiiU so I can play more games like this

Speed Racer

DontShootToasters wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

yay beat the game

my overall opinion

Spoiler:

the gameplay is the best in the series by far. The levels are fantastically designed, the combat is a goddamn blast, the items are for the most part useful and interesting, and there wasn't really a dull moment.

The story... kinda blew. Kinda blew bigtime. I was really hoping it would be an improvement over TP but, nope. It's around the same ballpark. The plot's just an excuse to go adventuring and sometimes also an excuse for cool scenes like Zelda knighting Link. But those scenes sort of happen in a vacuum and don't pack the kind of punch they would if they happened in, say, Wind Waker. You also don't know a lick of the story for the first 3 dungeons, and then only know a little bit of the story until after the 6th. It almost makes it feel more like a Mario game with Zelda gameplay than a Zelda game. Which is fine since, like I said, the gameplay is fantastic. I just wish we could go back to the Wind Waker/Majora's Mask days where they struck a perfect balance between gameplay and story.

i agree with most of that

Spoiler:

I feel like the story started with a lot of promise, but never really capitalizes on it. The beginning stuff with the knights and zelda was cool, but then Fi comes and finds you talking about destiny but they never really explained that destiny or anything behind it. Then the second third of the game is trying to make the master sword, but they never really say why other than "your sword isn't powerful enough", I felt like everything I did was just because it's a zelda game, and there wasn't any real rhyme or reason to any of it.

Giharim was a really cool antagonist though, and I wish they had done more with his whole being an evil version of Fi. Demise was okay, but fighting the imprisoned 3 times was butts.

Gameplay was top notch though, i hope motion plus carries over to the wiiU so I can play more games like this

Yeah I agree with all of this

Spoiler:

The reveal that Ghirahim was Evil Fi was kind of interesting, but on the other hand it meant he wasn't really a character. He was just a robot mindlessly working toward a goal for no reason other than that's what he's made to do. Skull Kid, WW Ganon, and even Zant all had interesting motivations that fleshed them out, so to have a badguy with no motivation at all is a pretty big step down I think.

I think it would have worked far better if the reveal had come after the third dungeon, which is always the designated "plot twist" moment in Zelda games. Have him summon Demise and the rest of the game be about stopping him.

Of course Demise wasn't really much of a character either, he was just a generic "embodiment of the force of evil" type guy.

Also, given his red hair, large build, dark skin, and (joking) interest in taking over "Grooseland" I was entirely expecting Groose to become the vessel for the Demon King and THUS THE SECRET ORIGIN OF GANONDORF IS REVEALED. I'm glad they didn't do that though because it would have been stupid.

DontShootToasters

Speed Racer wrote:

DontShootToasters wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

yay beat the game

my overall opinion

Spoiler:

the gameplay is the best in the series by far. The levels are fantastically designed, the combat is a goddamn blast, the items are for the most part useful and interesting, and there wasn't really a dull moment.

The story... kinda blew. Kinda blew bigtime. I was really hoping it would be an improvement over TP but, nope. It's around the same ballpark. The plot's just an excuse to go adventuring and sometimes also an excuse for cool scenes like Zelda knighting Link. But those scenes sort of happen in a vacuum and don't pack the kind of punch they would if they happened in, say, Wind Waker. You also don't know a lick of the story for the first 3 dungeons, and then only know a little bit of the story until after the 6th. It almost makes it feel more like a Mario game with Zelda gameplay than a Zelda game. Which is fine since, like I said, the gameplay is fantastic. I just wish we could go back to the Wind Waker/Majora's Mask days where they struck a perfect balance between gameplay and story.

i agree with most of that

Spoiler:

I feel like the story started with a lot of promise, but never really capitalizes on it. The beginning stuff with the knights and zelda was cool, but then Fi comes and finds you talking about destiny but they never really explained that destiny or anything behind it. Then the second third of the game is trying to make the master sword, but they never really say why other than "your sword isn't powerful enough", I felt like everything I did was just because it's a zelda game, and there wasn't any real rhyme or reason to any of it.

Giharim was a really cool antagonist though, and I wish they had done more with his whole being an evil version of Fi. Demise was okay, but fighting the imprisoned 3 times was butts.

Gameplay was top notch though, i hope motion plus carries over to the wiiU so I can play more games like this

Yeah I agree with all of this

Spoiler:

The reveal that Ghirahim was Evil Fi was kind of interesting, but on the other hand it meant he wasn't really a character. He was just a robot mindlessly working toward a goal for no reason other than that's what he's made to do. Skull Kid, WW Ganon, and even Zant all had interesting motivations that fleshed them out, so to have a badguy with no motivation at all is a pretty big step down I think.

I think it would have worked far better if the reveal had come after the third dungeon, which is always the designated "plot twist" moment in Zelda games. Have him summon Demise and the rest of the game be about stopping him.

Of course Demise wasn't really much of a character either, he was just a generic "embodiment of the force of evil" type guy.

Also, given his red hair, large build, dark skin, and (joking) interest in taking over "Grooseland" I was entirely expecting Groose to become the vessel for the Demon King and THUS THE SECRET ORIGIN OF GANONDORF IS REVEALED. I'm glad they didn't do that though because it would have been stupid.

Spoiler:

I think I would have loved Groose turning out to be Ganon in the dumbest way, but I would never be able to take a zelda game serious ever again.

I also wasn't a fan of what they did to the overworld I really liked how twilight princess made the dungeons more overworldy (mansion, mine, prison etc.) and skyward still does that some, but they also made everything else more dungeony. Having skyloft be the only "village" area made the pacing of everything feel really long, like I never got a break to just wander and explore an area without having to deal with monster. Some kind of kikwi town, or mogma hole or something would have been a nice break to keep things from getting tedious.

I think this is still one of my favorite zeldas, because the combat and puzzles are soo gooooood, it has a lot of the charm that tp was lacking, and I actually really enjoyed the upgrading system and would like to see more of it.

agoaj

Naphtali

holy shit

Speed Racer

Toasters we have identical opinions about this video game

Speed Racer

overall spoilers

Spoiler:

you know the more I think about it

the less I know what the hell the point of the story was

okay so demise managed to crack the seal and snatch zelda. That's bad. but the sky-dwellers had the triforce the entire time, they just didn't know about it. If you had just collected the song to start with and wished Demise to death right off the bat, there wouldn't have been any reason to explore any of the dungeons or create the master sword.

The entire story relies on coincidence, happenstance, and ignorance on behalf of the player to work.

DontShootToasters

high five speed, let's be zelda bros

also I love that picture so, so much

wanna marry that picture

Speed Racer

Speed Racer wrote:

overall spoilers

Spoiler:

you know the more I think about it

the less I know what the hell the point of the story was

okay so demise managed to crack the seal and snatch zelda. That's bad. but the sky-dwellers had the triforce the entire time, they just didn't know about it. If you had just collected the song to start with and wished Demise to death right off the bat, there wouldn't have been any reason to explore any of the dungeons or create the master sword.

The entire story relies on coincidence, happenstance, and ignorance on behalf of the player to work.

Spoiler:

Also you never really see a reason that you need to stop Demise, other than the fact that it's a byproduct of getting back with Zelda

The Water Dragon seems to have the Kikwi protected, and the Mogmas don't treat the monsters as anything more than an annoyance. I guess some of them get captured in the Fire Sanctuary but it's played for laughs so it doesn't really mean much to you. The rest of the world is nothing but wild country. Skyloft has a gigantic sky whale and also the power of the gods protecting it.

Obviously the implication is that things will get a lot worse if Demise manages to break out all the way, but you never actually see that. In OoT you're shown an idyllic fantasy kingdom that gets torn to shit. In MM everyone's been made so depressed by the Skull Kid's mischief that a lot of them barely even acknowledge the crashing moon. WW is a dang post-apocalyptic world. Here um... some weird penguin-flower things were kind of scared until the water dragon saved them with fairly little help from you?

Dichotomy

look, not every zelda game can be wind waker, okay

Piotyr

A little past the second dungeon, the things I really like so far:

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- Dashing, especially up low walls. No longer is a waist-high barrier an impenetrable defense!
- The beetle is like an awesome version of the boomerang. It's implemented great and used a lot already.
- The flying was awesome once I finally discovered you could flap the birds wings to increase height quickly. Before that it was confusing and a chore.
- I really like the upgrade system, and getting the components stopped being tedious as soon as I found the Treasure Charm. I've now completed 5 upgrades through the first two dungeons (wood shield x2, iron shield, seed bag, bomb bag). Call me a huge fan of convenience
- I really enjoy going back to the Sheikah stone after I complete a dungeon to make sure I was doing it right (with Ghirahim, I totally wasn't)
- It took me far too long to realize you could pick up bomb flowers and store them in your bomb bag. Didn't catch on until the second boss fight, at which point it was necessary.
- It made me really happy that the recent Zelda pattern of Forest-Fire-Water was subverted, and by such a fantastic third area.

King Riptor

Loving this game so far.

The bird didn't need to be motion controlled but otherwise its pretty solid. Skydiving is annoying but I figure it'll be easier with practice . Should I move the entire remote or tilt it to move?

Walt

Dichotomy wrote:

look, not every zelda game can be wind waker, okay

why not

Jimothy

That picture.

Speed Racer

King Riptor wrote:

Loving this game so far.

The bird didn't need to be motion controlled but otherwise its pretty solid. Skydiving is annoying but I figure it'll be easier with practice . Should I move the entire remote or tilt it to move?

tilt it

AFAIK nothing in the game works by moving the wiimote around. You don't need to move anything but your wrist.

Dichotomy

Walt wrote:

Dichotomy wrote:

look, not every zelda game can be wind waker, okay

why not

because the world is not ready

Taya

I spent all my money at the skydiving game. I can consistently go through all of the rings without touching a ball, but I always land on junk.

Taya

Although the skydiving game and bamboo game are much MUCH better than any other Zelda minigame I've suffered through. Usually I play them and torture myself trying to get the reward. The minigames in Ocarina of Time make me want to shoot myself in the foot.

Nerdgasmic

wind waker is just the best

I should replay it sometime

el_vicio

I actually deleted my Wind Waker savegame some time ago to be able to start over completely.
WORTH IT

Nerdgasmic

but why not just select it so you could start over with the color camera and those cool pajamas

BlueBlue

Speed Racer wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

overall spoilers

Spoiler:

you know the more I think about it

the less I know what the hell the point of the story was

okay so demise managed to crack the seal and snatch zelda. That's bad. but the sky-dwellers had the triforce the entire time, they just didn't know about it. If you had just collected the song to start with and wished Demise to death right off the bat, there wouldn't have been any reason to explore any of the dungeons or create the master sword.

The entire story relies on coincidence, happenstance, and ignorance on behalf of the player to work.

Spoiler:

Also you never really see a reason that you need to stop Demise, other than the fact that it's a byproduct of getting back with Zelda

The Water Dragon seems to have the Kikwi protected, and the Mogmas don't treat the monsters as anything more than an annoyance. I guess some of them get captured in the Fire Sanctuary but it's played for laughs so it doesn't really mean much to you. The rest of the world is nothing but wild country. Skyloft has a gigantic sky whale and also the power of the gods protecting it.

Obviously the implication is that things will get a lot worse if Demise manages to break out all the way, but you never actually see that. In OoT you're shown an idyllic fantasy kingdom that gets torn to shit. In MM everyone's been made so depressed by the Skull Kid's mischief that a lot of them barely even acknowledge the crashing moon. WW is a dang post-apocalyptic world. Here um... some weird penguin-flower things were kind of scared until the water dragon saved them with fairly little help from you?

Why must I suffer the curse of reading all spoilers forever??

Well I guess it's nothing I shouldn't have expected. VickyBit got me overhyped for the story I think

DontShootToasters

BlueBlue wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

overall spoilers

Spoiler:

you know the more I think about it

the less I know what the hell the point of the story was

okay so demise managed to crack the seal and snatch zelda. That's bad. but the sky-dwellers had the triforce the entire time, they just didn't know about it. If you had just collected the song to start with and wished Demise to death right off the bat, there wouldn't have been any reason to explore any of the dungeons or create the master sword.

The entire story relies on coincidence, happenstance, and ignorance on behalf of the player to work.

Spoiler:

Also you never really see a reason that you need to stop Demise, other than the fact that it's a byproduct of getting back with Zelda

The Water Dragon seems to have the Kikwi protected, and the Mogmas don't treat the monsters as anything more than an annoyance. I guess some of them get captured in the Fire Sanctuary but it's played for laughs so it doesn't really mean much to you. The rest of the world is nothing but wild country. Skyloft has a gigantic sky whale and also the power of the gods protecting it.

Obviously the implication is that things will get a lot worse if Demise manages to break out all the way, but you never actually see that. In OoT you're shown an idyllic fantasy kingdom that gets torn to shit. In MM everyone's been made so depressed by the Skull Kid's mischief that a lot of them barely even acknowledge the crashing moon. WW is a dang post-apocalyptic world. Here um... some weird penguin-flower things were kind of scared until the water dragon saved them with fairly little help from you?

Why must I suffer the curse of reading all spoilers forever??

Well I guess it's nothing I shouldn't have expected. VickyBit got me overhyped for the story I think

Spoiler:

It's still got some really great "landmark" sort of moments, it's just these moments are few and far between, and they don't add up to much of a compelling story

a case of the parts being greater than the sum, story-wise

Speed Racer

DontShootToasters wrote:

BlueBlue wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

Speed Racer wrote:

overall spoilers

Spoiler:

you know the more I think about it

the less I know what the hell the point of the story was

okay so demise managed to crack the seal and snatch zelda. That's bad. but the sky-dwellers had the triforce the entire time, they just didn't know about it. If you had just collected the song to start with and wished Demise to death right off the bat, there wouldn't have been any reason to explore any of the dungeons or create the master sword.

The entire story relies on coincidence, happenstance, and ignorance on behalf of the player to work.

Spoiler:

Also you never really see a reason that you need to stop Demise, other than the fact that it's a byproduct of getting back with Zelda

The Water Dragon seems to have the Kikwi protected, and the Mogmas don't treat the monsters as anything more than an annoyance. I guess some of them get captured in the Fire Sanctuary but it's played for laughs so it doesn't really mean much to you. The rest of the world is nothing but wild country. Skyloft has a gigantic sky whale and also the power of the gods protecting it.

Obviously the implication is that things will get a lot worse if Demise manages to break out all the way, but you never actually see that. In OoT you're shown an idyllic fantasy kingdom that gets torn to shit. In MM everyone's been made so depressed by the Skull Kid's mischief that a lot of them barely even acknowledge the crashing moon. WW is a dang post-apocalyptic world. Here um... some weird penguin-flower things were kind of scared until the water dragon saved them with fairly little help from you?

Why must I suffer the curse of reading all spoilers forever??

Well I guess it's nothing I shouldn't have expected. VickyBit got me overhyped for the story I think

Spoiler:

It's still got some really great "landmark" sort of moments, it's just these moments are few and far between, and they don't add up to much of a compelling story

a case of the parts being greater than the sum, story-wise

Spoiler:

even then though, like I said earlier those "landmark" moments kind of happen in a vacuum. It's like they want to have all these cool scenes but don't want to put the work in to earn them.

fightinfilipino

Nintendo apparently just dropped an official timeline for Zelda: http://www.warpzoned.com/?p=16645

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and there are THREE timelines, not two or one. doubletoo tee eff.

i REALLY hope they bring the Zelda Encyclopedia stateside, now.