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And a lobbying firm approaching a banking association about undermining the occupy movement. Isn't that special.
Honestly, the cops are just incredibly nonchalant with that pepper spray.
Edit to add picture:
What is it with the police? Especially in California, it seems.
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There needs to be a coordinated effort to hold these people accountable.
I probably would've been beaten for it, but somebody needs to fight back when the police step over the line.
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Pretty sure some might find that a good read.
Maybe all these cops secretly want this movement to succeed, which is why they're using excessive force.
"It's okay guys we're undercover so that's why we're doing such heinous shit." No I doubt it.
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http://chancellor.ucdavis.edu/messages/2011/protest_action_111811.html
Petition for the Chancellor to resign:
http://www.change.org/petitions/police-pepper-spray-peaceful-uc-davis-students-ask-chancellor-katehi-to-resign
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So final tally? A handful of university non-violent university students pepper-sprayed and arrested, a large student body enraged and energized by a "victory" over the police, likely ready and eager to re-engage the police forces again at the next opportunity. Oh, and by the way, there's still a mob on the quad, only now they're angry.
Or if we consider the long-term impacts, enraging mostly young, upwards of middle-class, intelligent, highly educated adults - the same sort of people who will likely make up the majority of the business and political establishment in in a couple of decades - and drastically eroding their respect for the police. I really do wonder how crime and arrest rates will change over the next few years, with so many young adults rapidly being taught to disrespect and mistrust the police.
I can say that even though I work for the government, the only time the police have ever helped me is when I identified as such, and even then they have a spotty record in the "being an asshole" column.
This is a culture they have developed themselves, and I for one have no sorrow at whatever might befall them.
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Clarity edit: the cops, not the protesters.
I was actually getting worried for a while until the "You can go" chant started up. While the cops weren't entirely surrounded ....
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That's actually probably exactly what they want. If they can start a violent riot the media can discredit the protests and then they and the national guard possibly get to open fire with REAL bullets. The Cops want this shit to end, right now, what or how they have to do to end it is irrelevant. Their asses are pressed to the wall by whoever orders them and so all they can do is use force after a certain point.
They will be offered ad an effective choice of "Start killing protestors, or your family won't eat" and it's being used to drive them to do this. It's sad, but it's what this current system is forcing them to do.
P.S. you never responded to me before Re: The Fed. You can't claim you told me and then disappear in the middle of a conversation as if it means you win.
I don't see a violent riot discrediting the protesters, we have enough non MSM sources where the first time we see a (cute, white) woman with a crushed skull beaten to death by police, some news agency will pick it up for the ratings
The reason I believe limited, selective violence is necessary to bring about OWS's goals of change was because I think that the people in power can just ignore non-violent protests.
What happened at the 6min mark in that video gives me hope that I am wrong. It is very amazing to see a leaderless group like that working in concert.
The cops are generally using pepper spray in addition to batons, not instead of them.
Holy shit. Seriously, watch at around the 6:00 mark as Lochiel says, that People's Mic Check is what turned that into a peaceful situation, it turned all that rage into a thunderous voice, you could see the asshole who hosed those people with pepper spray, the look on his face said it all. People's Mic Check just might be one of the most amazing things to come out of Occupy, on the ground level. Its unlike anything I have seen in protest before, yet it is something that it wouldn't surprise me to learn is as old as people rallying together.
Someone called them in to clear the walkway; they're doing their job.
I am wondering why, of all places, are these students are at Davis. Oakland, Fairfield, Suisin - etc. - are all within an hours drive and probably more reflective of what ( I assume) this Occupy movement views as the result of "corporate greed".
Are you seriously saying that the best way to clear a walkway is to pepper spray peaceful protesters who are sitting on the ground not threatening anyone? You don't think they could be moved through non-violent means?
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It' not about "not threatening anyone. . ." If you have a simple table, handing out nutrition information (which I think most people will agree is some pretty solid info), and you're blocking the sidewalk (or worse, the handicap railing on the ground) - you will be ordered to move. Period.
There is ZERO context in the video to show where the protest is happening on campus property, or what pre-commands were given to disperse (if they were even told to disperse). Just a shot of a cop nonchalantly spraying helpless students.
If this is true, then that student needs to make sure they can be identified in this video, head to the hospital and file a nice complaint with the Reagents (with possibility of legal action).
That does not give the cops the right to use said force.
It's like if you're holding your finger very close to my face and you say, "I'm not touching you," so I say, "I'm going to shoot pepper spray down your throat if you keep doing that." It's excessive force and whether or not the protestors were told they'd be the recipients of excessive force, the fact remains that it was excessive.
If their job was to clear the walkway, they failed miserably, because the huge crowd of students and protestors cleared them from the walkway shortly after.
And there was much high fiving at a job well done - a job done in service to what. . .who knows. Certainly not going to get that from the video description.
The police don't have the authority to issue commands to citizens to stop doing something that isn't against the law, and even if they did, pepper spray down the throat is never a fucking appropriate thing to do even if they were breaking the law and I don't know why you're being so thick about this
Cause I'm not otherwise seeing the necessity.
I have no idea what campus policy on occupying space is at UCD - do you? Somewhere, someone decided that these students shouldn't be there, and the right folks were sent out to address this. Had they been on our campus, NO, simply sitting there is not cool and yes they would have been moved had they impeded access to the handicap assistance groves that are on the ground. This is not to say that THAT is the situation depicted here, but arm-chair dismissing ANY response by police other than "fuck it. . ." is just ridiculous.
Oh. Well of course it's not. We're all just being thick numbskulls who just can't believe in the power of the protester to obey a command while not on public property.
Seriously, get rid of Internal Affairs. Why are we letting the cops investigate the cops?
That cop, and his superiors all the way up the chain, need to have criminal charges brought against them. You are NOT authorized to use pepper spray against a peaceful gathering. If you feel that someone has broken a law, your job as a police officer is to apprehend that person so that charges can be brought against them in a court of law. What I saw in that video was an officer handing out punishment, and punishment is the sole discretion of the judiciary. He needs to be stripped of his badge immediately, as he has absolutely no understanding of his boundaries or role in society.
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