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Behring Breivik declared a paranoid schizophrenic.

Peter EbelPeter Ebel Building an empireOsloRegistered User regular
edited November 2011 in Social Entropy++
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15936276

The report on his mental health was delivered to the courts today. It's based on 35 hours of interviews with Behring Breivik and concludes that he over a period of several years developed paranoid schizophrenia and that he was in a state of psychosis during the massacre.

This will have an impact on how he will serve out his punishment. It's very likely he will be forced into a closed psychiatric ward instead of a normal prison. Doctors and other medical personnel will decide security. It's possible he will locked up for life if it's decided he's not safe for release.

Just wanted to update you folks on the matter.

Edit: Though the report has been written by experts, it's now up to the psychiatric specialists of the court to determine the validity of this report. Regardless of the outcome, there's still going to a massive trial against him. If the court psychiatrists agree with the report, I don't know whether or not he will still be held responsible for the monetary damage he did to the city of Oslo.

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
  • ToldoToldo But actually, WeegianRegistered User regular
    Behring Breivik's demands, according to the Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten, which has been given access to the report that concludes Behring Breivik is psychotic:

    - police should found three non-government organizations: the first to protect the interests of native Norwegians, the second to stop Islamization of Europe, and the third to facilitate "procreation"--Behring Breivik said he did not know exactly what that would entail. The NGOs should receive 30 million Norwegian kroner (roughly $5 million) each
    - a new daily newspaper (presumably right-leaning) should be established with an initial investment of 20 million kroner (about $3.5 million)
    - a right-wing version of the "Blitz house" (a historical hangout for anarchists, socialists and communists in Oslo) should be created

    "If all of the demands are met, then we will abstain from using chemical, biological or incendiary weapons. We will abstain from the decapitation and extermination of families," Behring Breivik said. "I want you to know one thing: we are willing to use every illegal strategy."

    The psychiatrists noted that Behring Breivik kept referring to multiple Knights Templar cells during their talks.

  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X When you speak I hear muffinsRegistered User regular
    Fuckin' please.

    If his diagnosis in any way lowers the sentence he gets, there is no justice in this world.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    there is no justice in this world.

    that's about right

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote:
    there is no justice in this world.

    that's about right

    The success of the Kardashian brood is proof enough that there is no justice in the world.

  • As7As7 Registered User regular
    Look, the guy will be locked up forever. That's about as good a punishment as any in this world.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    As7 wrote:
    Look, the guy will be locked up forever. That's about as good a punishment as any in this world.

    Dipped in lava would an alternative. Just saying.

  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    Hunter wrote:
    As7 wrote:
    Look, the guy will be locked up forever. That's about as good a punishment as any in this world.

    Dipped in lava would an alternative. Just saying.
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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X When you speak I hear muffinsRegistered User regular
    Actually, the best punishment would be showing him a google hit count of his name over the months, then let nature take it's course.

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  • HunterHunter Chemist with a heart of Au Registered User regular
    Uriel wrote:
    Hunter wrote:
    As7 wrote:
    Look, the guy will be locked up forever. That's about as good a punishment as any in this world.

    Dipped in lava would an alternative. Just saying.
    Frozen in Carbonite.

    We don't quite have that technology, but I'd substitute throwing him in a pool of liquid nitrogen.

  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    Fuckin' please.

    If his diagnosis in any way lowers the sentence he gets, there is no justice in this world.

    I don't remember all of the details, but it would seem to do the opposite in this case.

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  • ToldoToldo But actually, WeegianRegistered User regular
    edited December 2011
    If for some reason the insanity ruling is thrown out, then Behring Breivik will most likely be sentenced to "forvaring," which basically means permanent incarceration.

    If the insanity ruling remains standing, Behring Breivik's mental condition will be reevaluated every three years. To be fair, there is not a chance in hell that Behring Breivik will ever be released. Still, survivors and the victims' families are saying that they don't want the case thrust into the national spotlight every three years until Behring Breivik dies.

    EDIT: Also, Behring Breivik was highly offended by the insanity ruling.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X When you speak I hear muffinsRegistered User regular
    Toldo wrote:
    Still, survivors and the victims' families are saying that they don't want the case thrust into the national spotlight every three years until Behring Breivik dies.

    Yeah, guys like this love attention. Best way to make him suffer is put him in prison and make him very aware that no one knows or cares about him.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter Registered User regular
    Toldo wrote:
    EDIT: Also, Behring Breivik was highly offended by the insanity ruling.

    good. they should drive that in

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  • TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    Toldo wrote:
    - police should found three non-government organizations: the first to protect the interests of native Norwegians, the second to stop Islamization of Europe, and the third to facilitate "procreation"--Behring Breivik said he did not know exactly what that would entail.

  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    The best punishment would be an effective way to rehabilitate him so that he could go out and be a productive member of society and spend some years contributing back some of what he destroyed, rather than locked up in a jail or institution at taxpayer's cost so some idiots can fulfill their revenge fantasies.

    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.

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  • AntimatterAntimatter if you want to talk to me look elsewhere.Registered User regular
    psyck0 wrote:
    The best punishment would be an effective way to rehabilitate him so that he could go out and be a productive member of society and spend some years contributing back some of what he destroyed, rather than locked up in a jail or institution at taxpayer's cost so some idiots can fulfill their revenge fantasies.

    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.

    yes thank you

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    psyck0 wrote:
    The best punishment would be an effective way to rehabilitate him so that he could go out and be a productive member of society and spend some years contributing back some of what he destroyed, rather than locked up in a jail or institution at taxpayer's cost so some idiots can fulfill their revenge fantasies.

    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.

    Fuck you I wanted to say this first.

    Also the families aren't thinking about him getting attention every three years: They're thinking about themselves. They don't want to go through everyone talking about it all over again every three years until Breivik dies.

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  • Vaguely LightningproofVaguely Lightningproof Registered User regular
    psyck0 wrote:
    The best punishment would be an effective way to rehabilitate him so that he could go out and be a productive member of society and spend some years contributing back some of what he destroyed, rather than locked up in a jail or institution at taxpayer's cost so some idiots can fulfill their revenge fantasies.

    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.

    I like you super-lots.

  • WotanAnubisWotanAnubis Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote:
    psyck0 wrote:
    The best punishment would be an effective way to rehabilitate him so that he could go out and be a productive member of society and spend some years contributing back some of what he destroyed, rather than locked up in a jail or institution at taxpayer's cost so some idiots can fulfill their revenge fantasies.

    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.

    Fuck you I wanted to say this first.

    Also the families aren't thinking about him getting attention every three years: They're thinking about themselves. They don't want to go through everyone talking about it all over again every three years until Breivik dies.

    You really think that three years from now (assuming he gets sentenced this year as a crazy person), there would again be a media circus surrounding him?

    At the very least, I don't think the families of the victims or the survivors will need to testify all over again. It'll just be a bunch of psychiatrists proving to the court that, yep, he's still insane.

  • bwaniebwanie Registered User regular
    Fuckin' please.

    If his diagnosis in any way lowers the sentence he gets, there is no justice in this world.

    The thing is, they were more or less obligated to claim he's insane.

    Even though he probably isn't. Well not more than any jihadist that is.




  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote:
    psyck0 wrote:
    The best punishment would be an effective way to rehabilitate him so that he could go out and be a productive member of society and spend some years contributing back some of what he destroyed, rather than locked up in a jail or institution at taxpayer's cost so some idiots can fulfill their revenge fantasies.

    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.

    Fuck you I wanted to say this first.

    Also the families aren't thinking about him getting attention every three years: They're thinking about themselves. They don't want to go through everyone talking about it all over again every three years until Breivik dies.

    You really think that three years from now (assuming he gets sentenced this year as a crazy person), there would again be a media circus surrounding him?

    At the very least, I don't think the families of the victims or the survivors will need to testify all over again. It'll just be a bunch of psychiatrists proving to the court that, yep, he's still insane.

    They won't have to testify but if you don't think MASS MURDERER UP FOR PAROLE won't be a big headline then I don't know what to say

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  • bwaniebwanie Registered User regular
    i mean he is a despicable sociopath, don't get me wrong.

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    edited December 2011
    edit I do not want to start an argument about this this early

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X When you speak I hear muffinsRegistered User regular
    Naw, I don't consider sociopaths insane.

    I mean, technically, I guess, yeah.

    But to me, insane is a dude who thinks the colour purple is out to get him.

    There's gotta be a spectrum to this stuff.

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  • FearghaillFearghaill Midgard I hear some secret agents only get cars.Registered User regular
    I kind of like the Canadian rules for insanity pleas - it's not enough to find them insane, you also need to show that their insanity prevented them from realizing that what they were doing was wrong. If he knew it was wrong, but did it anyway because he wanted to/felt it was necessary? Held criminally responsible.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    Naw, I don't consider sociopaths insane.

    I mean, technically, I guess, yeah.

    But to me, insane is a dude who thinks the colour purple is out to get him.

    There's gotta be a spectrum to this stuff.

    Well, there is a spectrum. That's been worked on by a lot of people over a long period of time. Sociopathy is a complex subject with a lot of research being done. "dude who thinks the color purple is out to get him" isn't even close to a casual understanding of paranoid schizophrenia.

    There are certainly concerns about determining culpability and normalcy vis-a-vis mental health in society, but I'm not sure your gut feeling or whatever on who's crazy is a substantive replacement for existing standards.

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  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel Building an empire OsloRegistered User regular
    Naw, I don't consider sociopaths insane.

    I mean, technically, I guess, yeah.

    But to me, insane is a dude who thinks the colour purple is out to get him.

    There's gotta be a spectrum to this stuff.

    What about dudes who think they have access to nuclear and biological weapons through non existent organizations based on video games? This particular diagnosis deals with actual delusions, not the anti social aspects of his personality, though he clearly has those as well.

    Fuck off and die.
  • ArtreusArtreus Hamlet Registered User regular
    Guys, Paranoid Schizophrenia is a pretty fucked up disease to have.

    It will mess you up, quite a bit.

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  • UbikUbik i am a god in a french-ass restaurantRegistered User regular
    psyck0 wrote:
    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    like, punishment shouldn't factor in at all or punishment shouldn't be the main/only focus?

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  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    Ubik wrote:
    psyck0 wrote:
    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    like, punishment shouldn't factor in at all or punishment shouldn't be the main/only focus?

    Sending a criminal to a rehabilitation center where he gets to learn how to be a productive citizen is a lot more productive than throwing them in a prison cell.

  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    dbrock270 wrote:
    Ubik wrote:
    psyck0 wrote:
    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    like, punishment shouldn't factor in at all or punishment shouldn't be the main/only focus?

    Sending a criminal to a rehabilitation center where he gets to learn how to be a productive citizen is a lot more productive than throwing them in a prison cell.

    What if he is incapable or unwilling to be rehabilitated?

  • UbikUbik i am a god in a french-ass restaurantRegistered User regular
    dbrock270 wrote:
    Ubik wrote:
    psyck0 wrote:
    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    like, punishment shouldn't factor in at all or punishment shouldn't be the main/only focus?

    Sending a criminal to a rehabilitation center where he gets to learn how to be a productive citizen is a lot more productive than throwing them in a prison cell.

    so like, a murderer spends time in the center until he's rehabilitated or he serves his 30 year sentence but is rehabilitated as part of that instead of wasting that time?

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    Breveik sounds like he took the Assassin's Creed games way too seriously

  • VivixenneVivixenne aDAWRable! Registered User regular
    Artreus wrote:
    Guys, Paranoid Schizophrenia is a pretty fucked up disease to have.

    It will mess you up, quite a bit.

    yeah, it's pretty intense stuff

    if he really does have paranoid schizophrenia but the courts don't agree and he gets locked up without mental health professionals working with him, he'd probably end up being a massive danger to other inmates as well as himself

  • psyck0psyck0 Registered User regular
    Punishment as a goal, at all, is pointless. It doesn't work to deter crime. It doesn't prevent the person who committed the crime from doing so again; if anything, it makes them resentful and more likely to commit crime. It contributes to a societal attitude that criminals are irredeemable and makes them unemployable after release, increasing recidivism. And all it does is appeal to idiots in society who have a hard-on for watching other people suffer and don't actually THINK before they act, ever.

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  • VivixenneVivixenne aDAWRable! Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    psyck0 wrote:
    The best punishment would be an effective way to rehabilitate him so that he could go out and be a productive member of society and spend some years contributing back some of what he destroyed, rather than locked up in a jail or institution at taxpayer's cost so some idiots can fulfill their revenge fantasies.

    Punishment-based justice systems are retarded.

    E: yeah, I doubt we can rehabilitate him, but we could at least TRY instead of everone rushing in calling for blood and acting like animals.

    and you're right... the attempt should be made for rehabilitation, even if it will probably amount to a token effort purely because he sounds like he's really, really far gone

    and that attempt should be made because it highlights the difference between locking someone up to punish them and locking someone up to keep themselves and others safe

    and in the meantime, you know, try to work with him, even if all you get out of it is a lot of insight into how someone thinks what they think or believes what they believe, it's still better than locking him up and throwing away the key because at the end of the day you are able to acknowledge that there is a REASON he is the way he is, and that the reason is likely extremely complex and utterly human

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  • VivixenneVivixenne aDAWRable! Registered User regular
    psyck0 wrote:
    Punishment as a goal, at all, is pointless. It doesn't work to deter crime. It doesn't prevent the person who committed the crime from doing so again; if anything, it makes them resentful and more likely to commit crime. It contributes to a societal attitude that criminals are irredeemable and makes them unemployable after release, increasing recidivism. And all it does is appeal to idiots in society who have a hard-on for watching other people suffer and don't actually THINK before they act, ever.

    yes, 100% this

    outrage at a heinous act is understandable, but once the emotion passes it's time for rational thought to come into it

    criminal justice and corrective services systems all over the world are STILL struggling to get this right and it's not the people working IN the system that are struggling, it's that they find themselves severely limited by public opinion, which sways political decisions, which then serves to dictate how corrective services "should" do their jobs

    ultimately it does encourage a societal view that you should lock them up and throw away the key and forget about them and if they didn't want to end up in prison maybe they shouldn't have done X or Y

    but like I say, there's usually a very human reason for why they did X or Y, whether it's biological, psychological, or social

  • UbikUbik i am a god in a french-ass restaurantRegistered User regular
    psyck0 wrote:
    Punishment as a goal, at all, is pointless. It doesn't work to deter crime. It doesn't prevent the person who committed the crime from doing so again; if anything, it makes them resentful and more likely to commit crime. It contributes to a societal attitude that criminals are irredeemable and makes them unemployable after release, increasing recidivism. And all it does is appeal to idiots in society who have a hard-on for watching other people suffer and don't actually THINK before they act, ever.

    no, a proper criminal justice system must balance the interests of punishment, rehabilitation, and deterrence

    skewing it too much towards any one, including rehabilitation, won't work



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