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PAX East 2012 BYOC Info/FAQ - Post-Event Feedback starts on page 14

BigRedBigRed Seattle, WARegistered User regular
edited April 2012 in PAX Archive
Finally over!
Thanks for everyone who came out and were understanding about the problems. I did the best I could under the conditions and I hope it showed. For the most part it seemed everyone enjoyed themselves.

This was likely my most stressful BYOC ever :-/

Here are my takeaways, please don't post about them (we are looking for new suggestions afterall, not problems we are aware of) as I am highly aware of it and working on it for next time.

Pros:
Way larger space, it was sweet.
View from the skybridge was epic
Huge stage
Lots of prizes from LANfest!
Projector screens

Cons:
Heard prizes were stolen... this sucks but honestly we said don't leave those laying around... Someone suggested an equipment coatcheck system for prizes.... this is an interesting idea and will be explored further, but that's passing the lialibility onto us instead of the individual, don't know if that would get approved. We shall look into it though.

The noise from expo was extreme at times. I was also muted on how loud I could turn the PA system because we were considered the "Expo floor" and they had restrictions on voice amplification (didn't seem to stop some other vendors though). Hopefully we can remain on Level 0 but maybe further away from expo.

Network.... Yes I know. It sucks. Nothing I could personally do about that but relay information back and forth. All I could do was escalate the issues up. We did so to one of the PAX show managers. It got better after Friday but was still meh :(

The "Soft" wall between us and Expo... That wasn't as soft as it seemed... there was a metal barricade between the two rows of pipe&drape, along with PC Security doing patrols and an MCAA security person stationed in the DMZ. It didnt do anything to the impression of security though and certainly didn't kill any noise from expo.

The stage layout left much to be desired... we will try and shoot for a larger space around the stage for people to gather for events and whatnot.

No stream of main theater events... Sadly the network issues destroyed that one, boo. That stream is the only way I am able to view events

Things I tried to do but a wrench got thrown in the works:
Set contest schedule (network issues made me re-do this last second)
More interesting projectors (tried to keep them in sync as much as possible...)
Intranet page with more relevant info... My goal was to keep this fully updated but I lagged behind quite often due to dealing with tons of different issues.

Things that wont change:
Competitive gaming? Sorry, that's not what PAX is about. Yes I know there is a minority of people that want this but if you want tournament gaming BYOC isn't the place for that. The most I am likely to do competitive wise is a high score on some games, but those games are not the ones you would consider for "Pro Gamers". The closest I got to that this past PAX was UT2k4 instagib matches and some limited TF2 things. At least when the network was functional :P
People keep asking for this but its the same few people, the vast majority doesn't care or enjoys the more causal environment of BYOC which is what my goal is. It will never become a mini MLG.
If you want to enter tournaments go hit up the PC Tournament department.

Events only during non Expo Hours? Nope! I will continue to do events throughout the day at future BYOC's. Not everyone is interested in being in one area for most of the day. What will happen is a concrete schedule (which I tried for this year but had to throw that out the window) so you can pick and choose what you want to do. Last prime I had a set schedule of events and managed to stick to it because things ran smoothly for BYOC. Hopefully we can bring that smoothness to the next East :)
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Be sure to follow @East_BYOC for most up to date news!

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  • BigRedBigRed Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    FAQ:

    Putting this highly relevant question at the top:


    Q: Can I transfer my BYOC ticket to someone else?
    A: Short answer is, NO. You can only get a refund for your ticket via Intel LANfest.

    Long answer:
    We did this to kill the scalping of tickets which got WAY out of hand a few years ago. You can get a refund for the ticket price via LANfest but ticket transfers are not allowed.
    Refund requests must be submitted BEFORE Friday, March 30th if you cannot attend PAX BYOC This year.



    Q: How many BYOC Spots will be available?
    A: Around 360 seats.

    Q: How much does BYOC cost?
    A: $30 in addition to your PAX 3day pass.

    Q: What time do you recommend (or require) people show up for BYOC check-in?
    A: Check in will start 2 hours before PAX opening. We aim to have it all complete an hour before PAX opens, to give people an hour to get their stuff hooked up and ready.

    Q: What hours does the BYOC run each day?
    A: Same hours as PAX. The room will have to be cleared at PAX closing. About 30min before closing there will be an in-room announcement to start wrapping up your games or whatever for the night before everyone gets kicked out at closing.

    Q: Do I leave my stuff in the LAN the whole time?
    A: Yes. The room is guarded all during PAX and locked up at night. We are the first ones in and the Last ones out. If you must take your stuff up (like a laptop) you need to Check it out at the security desk as you leave and check it back in when you return.

    Q: What games are typically played?
    A: Whatever is popular this year. TF2, LoL, COD4/5/6/7/8/9/10/etc, BF3, WoW, Starcraft 2, Portal 2, Monday Night Combat, L4D2, etc. If you want to play a game you can find others that are up for it as well.

    Q: If I get a spot for the BYOC, I don't need to commit to being in there the whole time, right? Just when I feel like relaxing and playing some games with people?
    A: Correct, you aren't chained to your spot in BYOC. The majority of BYOC attendees are just there in-between the PAX events that they want to go see.

    Q: Can I bring my 30+ something inch monitor/TV?
    A: The max monitor size is 24" due to power and space constraints.

    Q: Can I bring my own chair?
    A: NO! PAX and the convention center don’t allow this. It presents a safety issue with chairs that take up too much space and can roll into the isles.

    Q: Can I bring a laptop with my desktop?
    A: Yes as long as you stay within your 30" of table space. Although remember you only get one network port and two power ports per seat , So you will have to power down something of your desktop to charge your laptop.

    Q: Can I bring a switch or own Power strip to increase that?
    A: NO! No outside networking devices are allowed. Any spotted will be removed.
    A: Daisy chaining power strips is a HUGE no as well. Fire Marshall hates that so we need to enforce this pretty seriously. Sorry.

    Q: Do I need to bring a network cable?
    A: Yes. You will need a network cable to hook your computer up to the network switch at your table. Bring around a 25ft cable otherwise; depending where you are sitting, the switch may be out of your cables reach.

    Q: Can I bring *insert friend/Girlfriend/spouse/random person here* in BYOC with me?
    A: No, Sorry. To ensure the security of everyone's personal equipment in a busy area such as PAX, only BYOC attendees are allowed into the BYOC room.

    Q: Is there Internet in BYOC?
    A: Yes there will be, although it will be locked down to prevent things like torrenting and throttled so not one person can use up all the bandwidth.

    Q: But... how am I supposed to get my computer there?
    A: Drive it! An alternate option which I have used to attend LANs that are far away, is to ship yourself your computer/monitor to your hotel you are staying at. If you call them and say you have a package coming they will hold it for you until you check-in. Just ship it back to yourself when PAX is over.

    Q: Can I bring my xbox/playstation/nintendo console?
    A: Sorry, no consoles allowed in here. This is a PC LAN. You can’t bring in a console in addition either, those things use up a lot of power.

    Q: Can I Bring a cooler in for drinks/snacks?
    A: Yes but only small personal coolers /w no ice (use the frozen gelpacks). If it has more than one handle and/or wheels then it won’t be allowed in (think lunch sized cooler).

    Q: 3days are sold out! NOOOOOOO! What if I get 3 1 day passes? Will those work with the BYOC badge?
    A: Yup! you just have to get into PAX with the PAX pass before you get into BYOC.

    All information is subject to change as that’s the nature of the convention beast. We are not trying to be mean, things can always change without notice.

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  • KhadourKhadour Dinosaur Cupcake Boston, MARegistered User regular
    BigRed wrote:
    Q: How many BYOC Spots will be available?
    A: Unannounced right now… but WAY more than last year

    VERY glad to hear this. Can't wait!

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  • FuzzDadFuzzDad Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Might want to retweet this at @Official_PAX because all the dialog on the main page had said to look there for BYOC info. Not sure many are following this (yet) compared to that.

    I missed last years because I didn't know to follow here and I was sad for an entire year (had made the first Pax East BYOC).

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  • BigRedBigRed Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2011
    I am sure it will be mentioned on OffIcial_PAX when it does go live.

    Just like last year, Id follow @East_BYOC though if you are interested in the BYOC area ;-) That account always has the up to date BYOC info.

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  • xBanzai89xBanzai89 Registered User regular
    Can you buy multiple BYOC passes under one account as long as you give the proper info for each attendee?

  • KhadourKhadour Dinosaur Cupcake Boston, MARegistered User regular
    xBanzai89 wrote:
    Can you buy multiple BYOC passes under one account as long as you give the proper info for each attendee?

    If they're still using the LANfest interface, then you should be able to. I registered 2 last year, and was able to give the info for both.

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Old General Registered User, Moderator mod
    Khadour wrote:
    xBanzai89 wrote:
    Can you buy multiple BYOC passes under one account as long as you give the proper info for each attendee?

    If they're still using the LANfest interface, then you should be able to. I registered 2 last year, and was able to give the info for both.

    As of PAX Prime 2011, I believe you could only do a limited number of people at once, but I may be mistakenly thinking of something else.

  • BigRedBigRed Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I think we might have limited it to 2 per account, Don't quite remember though. I will inquire.

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  • BigRedBigRed Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    I fixed a glaring oversight in the FAQ...

    Had to add more numbers to the games played section after COD since I forgot to take into account that MW3 is the 8th cod game, lol

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  • BobbyTheDrunkBobbyTheDrunk Registered User
    BigRed wrote:
    Soooooon!

    Unless everything goes sideways the goal is to have reg up before the end of the year.
    You jinxed it. Everythings going sideways.

  • darkinferodarkinfero BOP-IT Peabody, MARegistered User regular
    I'll be waiting also.
    Me and my friends are waiting for this

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  • ironysparklesironysparkles Lowell, MARegistered User regular
    I'd love to surprise my bf by buying him a BYOC pass, but he doesn't have a laptop any more and his desktop (which, oddly enough, he won at PAX East 2010) is freakin' HUGE. Anyone have any suggestions? I feel like the shipping would be crazy on that, even though we're just in southern NH. But he's almost exclusively a PC gamer, so he'd totally love it.

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    Hrm to get a BYOC pass this year or not...

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  • dyaballikldyaballikl PAX Main Theatre House & Security Manager • PAX Community Cartographer Gold Coast QLD AustraliaRegistered User regular
    I'd love to surprise my bf by buying him a BYOC pass, but he doesn't have a laptop any more and his desktop (which, oddly enough, he won at PAX East 2010) is freakin' HUGE. Anyone have any suggestions? I feel like the shipping would be crazy on that, even though we're just in southern NH. But he's almost exclusively a PC gamer, so he'd totally love it.
    Are you driving? Shipping is the only option for those who have to fly, but when you live a couple hours away, haul it yourself.

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  • ironysparklesironysparkles Lowell, MARegistered User regular
    We take the train(s). Maybe we could find luggage with wheels that's big enough for it, and just pad it up...

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  • KhadourKhadour Dinosaur Cupcake Boston, MARegistered User regular
    We take the train(s). Maybe we could find luggage with wheels that's big enough for it, and just pad it up...

    There's also the option of finding a fellow southern NHer who's driving, and wouldn't mind you taking up some luggage space . . .

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  • peetsnackpeetsnack Registered User regular
    Decius wrote:
    Hrm to get a BYOC pass this year or not...

    You have a coat, right? Well, with BYOC, you'll have a place to put that coat! It's a no-brainer!

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  • japerryjaperry Registered User regular
    can't wait! Road tripping from Seattle, so we can bring the gaming rigs ;-)

  • dyaballikldyaballikl PAX Main Theatre House & Security Manager • PAX Community Cartographer Gold Coast QLD AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2011
    peetsnack wrote:
    You have a gaming computer, right? Well, with BYOC, you'll have a place to play games on your computer with a lot of other people! It's a no-brainer!
    ಠ_ಠ FTFY

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    Spoiler:

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  • flatlineflatline Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Also an FYI - I shipped my computer to the Westin Waterfront (Con Hotel) last year - they charge a fairly exorbitant "Handling Fee" through the business center. If I recall it was something like $40 or $60 - which I had failed to ask about when I called ahead of time to verify that they would accept/hold the computer for me.

    Anyone know if it would be cheaper to ship to a location (UPS store or something maybe?) near the Westin to avoid this fee? Otherwise, I'm thinking I'll just bring my Macbook Pro and play Minecraft and Robot Unicorn Attack (god damn you Red) the whole time.

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  • KilonumKilonum [E] West of Boston, East of WorcesterRegistered User regular
    We take the train(s). Maybe we could find luggage with wheels that's big enough for it, and just pad it up...

    I have one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Magna-Cart-Ideal-Hand-Truck/dp/B001HBH1BM/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1323887651&sr=1-2. Add a couple of bungee cords and it's pretty stable.

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  • flatlineflatline Registered User regular
    Kilonum wrote:
    We take the train(s). Maybe we could find luggage with wheels that's big enough for it, and just pad it up...

    I have one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Magna-Cart-Ideal-Hand-Truck/dp/B001HBH1BM/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1323887651&sr=1-2. Add a couple of bungee cords and it's pretty stable.

    My buddy and I took the Sonic Line train up last year. I shipped my system, he lugged his. He didn't have a hand truck, which meant he had to stop about every 50 feet to catch his breath from carrying the tower+monitor+regular luggage. Even with the hand truck, I'm not sure how much I really want to carry my rig on the train. Still... if the other option is paying $40+handling fees for shipping... maybe I will.

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  • dyaballikldyaballikl PAX Main Theatre House & Security Manager • PAX Community Cartographer Gold Coast QLD AustraliaRegistered User regular
    flatline wrote:
    Kilonum wrote:
    We take the train(s). Maybe we could find luggage with wheels that's big enough for it, and just pad it up...

    I have one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Magna-Cart-Ideal-Hand-Truck/dp/B001HBH1BM/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1323887651&sr=1-2. Add a couple of bungee cords and it's pretty stable.

    My buddy and I took the Sonic Line train up last year. I shipped my system, he lugged his. He didn't have a hand truck, which meant he had to stop about every 50 feet to catch his breath from carrying the tower+monitor+regular luggage. Even with the hand truck, I'm not sure how much I really want to carry my rig on the train. Still... if the other option is paying $40+handling fees for shipping... maybe I will.
    I've carried roughly a metric ass-ton of cargo on the T before. The trick is to plan your timing for low volume travel hours. It's a helluva lot easier when there aren't 4 people per sq. meter on the train with you!

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  • Moe FwackyMoe Fwacky Moderator mod
    He's talking about Amtrak, not the T.

  • KhadourKhadour Dinosaur Cupcake Boston, MARegistered User regular
    flatline wrote:
    Anyone know if it would be cheaper to ship to a location (UPS store or something maybe?) near the Westin to avoid this fee? Otherwise, I'm thinking I'll just bring my Macbook Pro and play Minecraft and Robot Unicorn Attack (god damn you Red) the whole time.
    You could probably ship to a local area PAXer and have them bring it in with them, especially one of the many locals who sign up for BYOC . . .

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  • ironysparklesironysparkles Lowell, MARegistered User regular
    dyaballikl wrote:
    flatline wrote:
    Kilonum wrote:
    I have one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Magna-Cart-Ideal-Hand-Truck/dp/B001HBH1BM/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1323887651&sr=1-2. Add a couple of bungee cords and it's pretty stable.

    My buddy and I took the Sonic Line train up last year. I shipped my system, he lugged his. He didn't have a hand truck, which meant he had to stop about every 50 feet to catch his breath from carrying the tower+monitor+regular luggage. Even with the hand truck, I'm not sure how much I really want to carry my rig on the train. Still... if the other option is paying $40+handling fees for shipping... maybe I will.
    I've carried roughly a metric ass-ton of cargo on the T before. The trick is to plan your timing for low volume travel hours. It's a helluva lot easier when there aren't 4 people per sq. meter on the train with you!

    Thanks! We had to lug the damn computer when he won it at PAX 2010, when the con said they weren't allowed to help/give us a hand truck... REALLY don't want to do that again!

    The trains actually weren't too busy last year, so I think we timed it right. The commuter rail is easy all around, and the T is about timing, like you said. Waiting for the next train, especially say on the Green line, only takes a couple extra minutes but can really make a difference in how tightly packed the train is.

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  • peetsnackpeetsnack Registered User regular
    @dyaballikl Computers in BYOC? Preposterous! Besides, you are in the theatre all PAX, what do you know?

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    I'm watching it this time, F5 all the things.

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  • TrandescentTrandescent Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Oh god. This is being set as my frontpage. I've been waiting for BYOC registration forever now. I saw someone with a BYOC pass at PAX 2011, and was pretty jealous because I only had a 1 day pass.

    Question- I use dual monitors. Both are 23". I can only bring one, correct?

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Old General Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2011
    Oh god. This is being set as my frontpage. I've been waiting for BYOC registration forever now. I saw someone with a BYOC pass at PAX 2011, and was pretty jealous because I only had a 1 day pass.

    Question- I use dual monitors. Both are 23". I can only bring one, correct?

    You can only bring one monitor, I believe 24" is the max. Think of that space as the width (with a little buffer) of your personal LAN space.

    Edit: oh damn, this was my 1000th post.

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  • TrandescentTrandescent Registered User regular
    How often are missing equipment reports made? I want to know if its worth bringing my high end equipment, or casual low-end equipment.

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Old General Registered User, Moderator mod
    How often are missing equipment reports made? I want to know if its worth bringing my high end equipment, or casual low-end equipment.

    I'm going to guess close to never. All equipment has to be signed in and out whenever it is brought in and out. Equipment can't just leave, not even with the owner, without serious approval. The area is under lock and key when PAX is closed. PC security is taken *incredibly* seriously. That doesn't mean NOTHING has ever gone missing, but it would be pretty hard to sneak something out.

  • KhadourKhadour Dinosaur Cupcake Boston, MARegistered User regular
    What he said. I've never had a problem. Everything entering the room is slapped with a barcode, tagged to the owner's BYOC badge, and scanned in. If any piece of equipment leaves the room, it's scanned and verified that the person taking it has authority to remove it. It's VERY secure, in my experience . . .

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  • itzerokewlitzerokewl Registered User regular
    BigRed and his crew do an awesome job with security. Both my buddy and I bring our laptops with us for BYOC and we just leave them there all weekend. Haven't had a problem yet! (Mind you, we do lock them down with laptop locks)

  • TrandescentTrandescent Registered User regular
    Guess i'll be bringing my higher end equipment. Good to know that they barcode your items- makes me feel a lot more secure, since the parents don't exactly approve of leaving my PC in a room full of strangers.

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  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    That's the thing about PAX -- they aren't strangers, they're 30,000 of your closest friends :)

  • TrandescentTrandescent Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Nullzone wrote:
    That's the thing about PAX -- they aren't strangers, they're 30,000 of your closest friends :)
    After sitting down with a nice couple after the main floor closed at the bean bag chairs and discussing the best way to get prepared for a 3-day the next PAX, I can confirm that.

    They also directed me to this forum. Wish I knew who it was.

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