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When the bar comes off your chest... don't stop [Weightlifting thread]
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Being tall don't help.
My other lifts are lagging behind my squats by varying degrees so it isn't time to switch to an intermediate program overall as yet.
Once a week increase. See how you go on that for a while. What kind of stall are we talking about here? Couple of reps missed or just stapled all day?
Bar shifted on my back in the first set so I put it down after 2 reps, next 2 sets I'd let myself get into that stalling mindset and only managed 3 of each.
Because you're a weak baby. Quit being weak you baby. Also could be because you're tall, I've heard that makes deadlifting tricky, what with your funny levers and all. Watch this before you lift next, it might help:
@Schide that's interesting, I always deadlift first because I want to be fresh for it. I can't imagine deadlifting after I've done all of my other shit, I'd be wasted.
Also I don't know if anyone else has listened to it but Paul Carter and Jaime whatsisname have teamed up to do a Chaos and Bang podcast, it's pretty ok. I'm hoping as it develops they slide more to training and less to how many trannies would you bang for a million dollars but I guess we'll see.
I wouldn't switch to weekly increases (intermediate programming) on the squat just yet. Try instituting a light day on Wednesday (or your middle day). Continue every lift as is, except on the middle workout of the week, squat at 80% of the load you did the last workout. 3x5 or 2x5. This will help your recovery. The next workout, up with weight again. That will give you ten pounds per week, twice as fast as intermediate programming, and you will never be squatting with only one day of rest.
But that's kinda based on how you're feeling. If linear progression is burning you out mentally, and you're getting discouraged (has been happening to me too recently) you may want to make a shift to slower progression. A bit less efficient, but we're supposed to be enjoying ourselves here.
Damn. My deadlift is so weak compared to what I can DB press. I think I would prefer the opposite.
Man what? If you DB bench more than you deadlift then you need to reassess your gym priorities. Like big time.
Yeah I've downloaded those but haven't listened to them yet. I enjoy both blogs (PC's facebook updates are almost entirely terrible though) so I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. I expect a large proportion to be the trannie banging though.
Yeah pretty much, I am a weak baby. When I sit down and think rationally, my deadlift is actually OK for the level I'm at and amount of time I've been properly training for (not that long). I mean, there's probably about 15-20kg difference between my squat and DL 1RM, which is not bad as far as I know. I just have to be patient and keep training/eating/sleeping.
Just annoying, because I see people lighter and smaller than me pull bigger numbers than me with what appears to be very little difficulty and arghargh.
Also I always keep hearing mixed ideas about tall people and deadlifting. Some tall folks seem to be pretty good at it, whilst others not so much. It probably just depends on specific lever lengths and muscle attachments etc.
Oympic Weightlifting is not Strength Training by Mark Rippetoe
Going off of this, what does your training schedule look like? Lewie and any other O-lifters here.
The main lifts every training day? Lifts from the hang? How often are we squatting and DLing? Strict press, push press?
This is what Mark had to say about Shane's strength, after being asked if that 1000lb squat strength when he was a weightlifter: "I saw Shane squat 804 in a shirt, shorts, and shoes in 2000, shortly after he got to the OTC. He told me that he never trained his back squat heavy or his deadlift at all, that he felt as though his power came from his strength, and that had he the opportunity to do it again he'd keep the heavy squat and the deadlift in his program."
http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=23226&p=258399#post258399
And as for producing an athlete worth a damn, http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=23226&p=251532#post251532
I think he believes that while there's obviously more to Oly Lifting than strength, USAW neglects it totally, because the snatch and C+J don't make an advanced lifter stronger. Training templates USAW has given us seem to reflect this, to me. Buried in one of those threads, Klokov told Jim Moser that he doesn't train the O-lifts, it's mostly heavy DL's, squats and presses, because his technique is pretty polished.
What does your training look like? Do any benching? How many days/week? I am curious!
I was just comparing myself to you. I can't bench more than I can deadlift, but I work with 80s or 85s when I DB bench press. When I deadlift, I am nowhere close to 350#. I work sets with 225#.
I probably work on my chest more than any other body part. The habit started way back in high school.
Here is a picture of me at the gym after a workout.
Speaking of chests, another good bench day. I'm gonna hit a plateau around here somewhere but everything's feeling great right now, I hit 180x8 today and then knocked out a nice bunch of close grip bench. Feels good brah.
When I was olympic lifting (and I was never good, occasionally adequate) I trained 3 days a week for about three hours a time. I trained the lifts first, then squats, then accessory work like pulls, balances and power jerks.
I didn't deadlift or press, and I don't know any olympic lifters that do. The deadlift has very little carry over and the press has almost none.
Thanks :] Were your pulls RDL's?
I know it's pretty blatant that I'm a Rippetoe fanboy, but I figure it balances out your clear distaste for the guy's methods.
Hit 80kg squats, and managed to rip my shorts a week after ripping my underpants. Pretty obvious ripping noise too, just kept eyes straight forward, finished my workout, and swore to myself to switch to tights, asap.
Otherwise - my gym is annoying, and doesn't have any plates smaller than 2.5kg. Might have to buy a set of smaller ones just so I can progress on bench and OHP.
And ugh - eating a lot while eating healthy is difficult when not in control of your diet. Ah well, probably gonna plateau really soon.
I also managed to squeeze in a short back workout. I used 75s for DB rows. It didn't feel too heavy, so I'm happy about that.
Nah, clean pulls and snatch pulls. Occasionally I'd do good mornings. Also situps or hypers at the end of each session, but not really because who does that.
A. You do it exactly as written
B. You want the very specific kind of results that it will give you
My problem isn't with the program, it's with the idea that it's the one stop best solution for anyone starting weight training. It isn't.
Yeah, this is definitely very true. It's definitely not an easy program to do as written, and the diet/body composition necessary to do so aren't really lined up with many people's priorities .
Which isn't to say older folks can't do it, but I see many older dudes trying to squat at my gym, and they just don't have enough mobility to get into the right positions. It's often a case of learning the proper form, but years of poor postural habits, sitting at office desks, sitting in cars etc leads to tight hips, weak hamstrings and terrible thoracic mobility. That shit's gotta be worked out before you attempt to load heavy weight onto your back and start squatting.
Kinda depends on what squats you're doing. If you're doing low-bar, I find going lower than two inches below parallel slackens the hamstrings. I've never squatted high-bar, but I feel like you should go ATG with them, because it doesn't seem to drastically change muscle involvement, just ROM. I could be wrong though.
The two styles are different, in most cases. Generally you have a wider stance for the powerlifting squat (low bar), with more sitting back and more vertical shins. High bar squats generally require a narrower stance and the knees come out over the toes by a fair bit, depending on your build obviously.
I don't really want to specialise in any particular variation so I practice both. I like low bar because it lets me lift heavier weights and develop my strength more, and I feel them in my hamstrings much more. But I also like Oly squats because I like the idea of performing a lift through a "full" range of motion. My personal belief is that they are a more complete exercise than purely doing low bar squats, but like I said, each has its purpose and they're both valid exercises.
The guys you see doing quarter squats usually don't know how to do either type of squat.