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When the bar comes off your chest... don't stop [Weightlifting thread]

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  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    I see quarter squats from athletes every day

  • That Dave FellaThat Dave Fella Registered User regular
    Moving home in the middle of May. Time to find a new gym!

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    I see quarter squats from athletes every day

    Especially throwers. Throwers seem to love them quarter squats.

    They have their purpose, just like everything else. Personally, I have no use for them. Although, those quarter squats I had to do for that gym comp where I entered as Ed Coan overloaded my posterior chain like nothing else. I've never been that sore from squatting in my life.

  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    When I started lifting about a year ago I started with quarter squats, because that was how I was always instructed and that's what everyone else was doing. Then months later I thought maybe I should be at least doing the full ROM, and started doing ATG squats at a lesser weight. Probably a bad idea at the time, because as soon as I started ATG my knees went from functional to oh-my-God-why-do-you-hurt-all-the-time.

    After taking a month off to recover, I dropped down to no weight on the ATG, started from ground zero, and have had no problems since. I'm going to take Tweaked_Bat's advice and incorporate parallel into my routine. Maybe do 5 sets of 5 with 3 being ATG and 2 being parallel and switch for the next time.

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  • MethuselahMethuselah Registered User regular
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    When I started lifting about a year ago I started with quarter squats, because that was how I was always instructed and that's what everyone else was doing. Then months later I thought maybe I should be at least doing the full ROM, and started doing ATG squats at a lesser weight. Probably a bad idea at the time, because as soon as I started ATG my knees went from functional to oh-my-God-why-do-you-hurt-all-the-time.

    After taking a month off to recover, I dropped down to no weight on the ATG, started from ground zero, and have had no problems since. I'm going to take Tweaked_Bat's advice and incorporate parallel into my routine. Maybe do 5 sets of 5 with 3 being ATG and 2 being parallel and switch for the next time.

    You should be aware that unless you're practiced in both, doing low bar and high bar squats can get you messed up. Low bar technique, especially since you can lift heavier weights, is pretty tricky. No knees sliding forward in the hole is a tough thing to learn. I would have a hard time learning to low bar while doing high bar.

  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Methuselah wrote: »
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    When I started lifting about a year ago I started with quarter squats, because that was how I was always instructed and that's what everyone else was doing. Then months later I thought maybe I should be at least doing the full ROM, and started doing ATG squats at a lesser weight. Probably a bad idea at the time, because as soon as I started ATG my knees went from functional to oh-my-God-why-do-you-hurt-all-the-time.

    After taking a month off to recover, I dropped down to no weight on the ATG, started from ground zero, and have had no problems since. I'm going to take Tweaked_Bat's advice and incorporate parallel into my routine. Maybe do 5 sets of 5 with 3 being ATG and 2 being parallel and switch for the next time.

    You should be aware that unless you're practiced in both, doing low bar and high bar squats can get you messed up. Low bar technique, especially since you can lift heavier weights, is pretty tricky. No knees sliding forward in the hole is a tough thing to learn. I would have a hard time learning to low bar while doing high bar.

    It was a challenge but it felt okay today. I started low bar 10 lbs under my normal high bar weight, did 3 sets of 5, then threw the 10 lbs back on for the 2 high bar sets. I'm glad I dropped the weight because low bar felt like a completely different exercise.

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    Some scary shit at the gym this morning. Had a man pass out on the bench (unsure how) and the bar dropped down onto his throat. No spotters, no safeties and no one was in that area of the gym to see it happen. Me and a mate rounded the corner to find him trapped under it, unconscious, 80kg sitting square across his throat and his face a fucking terrifying shade of blue. God knows how long he had been like that for. Ripped the bar off him and got him into a recovery position. Weak pulse and it took about 10-15 seconds before he drew a breath, another 3 minutes or so before he got back to a normal colour and was conscious about 5-10 minutes later but he wasn't speaking or walking or anything. He's down at the hospital now getting checked out.

    He is a real good dude and I am really fucking hoping he is okay.

    The moral of the story is - Use your fucking safeties, people. Or spotters. Just don't bench alone without an escape plan. This could have been a lot worse if we'd been one minute later in finding him.

  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter Registered User regular
    I avoid benching if there is on-one else in the room. My weight isn't terribly high so when I fail out I can guide it down and keep it on my chest without feeling like I'm gonna die. Even so, having someone else in the room to help get it back off the chest is a god send

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    Some scary shit at the gym this morning. Had a man pass out on the bench (unsure how) and the bar dropped down onto his throat. No spotters, no safeties and no one was in that area of the gym to see it happen. Me and a mate rounded the corner to find him trapped under it, unconscious, 80kg sitting square across his throat and his face a fucking terrifying shade of blue. God knows how long he had been like that for. Ripped the bar off him and got him into a recovery position. Weak pulse and it took about 10-15 seconds before he drew a breath, another 3 minutes or so before he got back to a normal colour and was conscious about 5-10 minutes later but he wasn't speaking or walking or anything. He's down at the hospital now getting checked out.

    He is a real good dude and I am really fucking hoping he is okay.

    The moral of the story is - Use your fucking safeties, people. Or spotters. Just don't bench alone without an escape plan. This could have been a lot worse if we'd been one minute later in finding him.

    Jesus, I hope he's not brain-damaged or anything else like that.

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    Yeah here's hoping. Haven't heard back anything yet.

  • OghulkOghulk whale oil beef hooked james k. polk middle schoolRegistered User regular
    Well, I'm back! Gonna renew my gym membership for May and then the summer now that I've got that good ol' free time again.

    Anyways, I'm trying to think up a workout plan and here's what I got right now:

    Last time I lifted I weighed about 190, squated 210 and benched 120. Now I'm 170 and haven't squated since December.

    M/W/F workout days. Squats, Bench press, Upright Rows, DB Curls, Overhead Press, push ups, crunches, ERG rows if the place has it.

    Any other workouts I can throw into that?

  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    where the deadlifts at

  • OghulkOghulk whale oil beef hooked james k. polk middle schoolRegistered User regular
    Should I throw those in? I'd need to work on form a ton for them, but I guess I should.

  • DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    Goddamn, here's hoping he's okay @TheRealBadger.

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    Should I throw those in? I'd need to work on form a ton for them, but I guess I should.

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  • Chessboxing909Chessboxing909 Registered User regular
    Damn hope he's okay Badger, let us know. Ya very well may have saved his life.

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  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    Some scary shit at the gym this morning. Had a man pass out on the bench (unsure how) and the bar dropped down onto his throat. No spotters, no safeties and no one was in that area of the gym to see it happen. Me and a mate rounded the corner to find him trapped under it, unconscious, 80kg sitting square across his throat and his face a fucking terrifying shade of blue. God knows how long he had been like that for. Ripped the bar off him and got him into a recovery position. Weak pulse and it took about 10-15 seconds before he drew a breath, another 3 minutes or so before he got back to a normal colour and was conscious about 5-10 minutes later but he wasn't speaking or walking or anything. He's down at the hospital now getting checked out.

    He is a real good dude and I am really fucking hoping he is okay.

    The moral of the story is - Use your fucking safeties, people. Or spotters. Just don't bench alone without an escape plan. This could have been a lot worse if we'd been one minute later in finding him.

    Ugh, imagine if you'd not arrived when you did. Hope he's OK.

  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    I see quarter squats from athletes every day

    I can't say I train around "athletes" every day, but I guess I'm not surprised. Like mentioned, they have their place in training...

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited April 2012
    The sheer arrogance of putting athletes in quotes.

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  • SolventSolvent Registered User regular
    Rewarding day in the gym for me today. It was really busy, but I just went through my program and every exercise I went to do, there was space free, which is definitely not the norm most saturdays recently.

    Got 3x3 chin-ups with 16.25kg on a belt, and got through sets of ten dumbbell rows with 30kg with no issues.
    It made me think I should've moved up to 30kg dumbbells earlier, but 27.5kg always seemed so hard in previous weeks.

    I have a deload week coming up and I'm not sure if I want it. But I haven't taken one for a while so I guess I should just stick to the program and let the recovery do its good work.

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  • SpherickSpherick Registered User regular
    I thought training that limited ROM of the squat puts pretty bad strain on the patella joint. When should one incorporate quarter squats?

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  • ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    Tube, could you write me up a program based on stuff you've seen athletes doing?

  • SliderSlider Registered User regular
    Chest day.

    Here's hoping my shoulder doesn't give me any problems.

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    @Oghulk is that all on the same day, MWF? Because that's a shit ton of stuff homie, maybe you should split your days up a smidge?

  • OghulkOghulk whale oil beef hooked james k. polk middle schoolRegistered User regular
    Oh yeah, I want to split up my days, but I have no idea how I should go about doing that.

  • SchideSchide You have dreams Everybody watching at home has dreamsRegistered User regular
    Ok, gonna lift for the first time since Badger's story scared the crap out of me because most of the time I'm lifting I have no spotters or anyone who would even be aware that I was in trouble until well after the fact.

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  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    The sheer arrogance of putting athletes in quotes.

    Sorry I didn't actually mean to imply that someone is not an athlete if they quarter squat. I was just quoting your use of the word athlete. I train around some folks who are serious about their lifting and do it for the purpose of getting better at it, but I wouldn't call them athletes is what I meant, I suppose. In hindsight that was kind of ambiguous.

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  • Tweaked_Bat_Tweaked_Bat_ Registered User regular
    In other news, my weightlifting shoes arrived. Squat day is tomorrow, so I'm pretty keen to give 'em a try.

  • TubeTube Says some shit Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Tube, could you write me up a program based on stuff you've seen athletes doing?

    I couldn't, no. Especially since you haven't mentioned a particular sport.

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    What kind of shoes did you get TB? I've been thinking about them as an "oh you want to get me something? Uhh, I want this I guess?" gift idea. That's how I got my belt.

  • MethuselahMethuselah Registered User regular
    My belt arrived today! I'm hoping the university will let me grab it tomorrow in time for heavy day.

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    Schide wrote: »
    Ok, gonna lift for the first time since Badger's story scared the crap out of me because most of the time I'm lifting I have no spotters or anyone who would even be aware that I was in trouble until well after the fact.

    Found out he recovered fine. A bit of bruising on the throat and was in shock for a while.

    I've seen plenty of people get pinned but never seen someone fully pass out under the bar. I am lucky in that I have some perfectly positioned safeties which the bar rests on as soon as I drop the arch out of my back. It's a pretty freakish occurrence but definitely worth thinking through an escape plan.
    Spherick wrote: »
    I thought training that limited ROM of the squat puts pretty bad strain on the patella joint. When should one incorporate quarter squats?

    The folk I talk to who squat high usually do it because it mimics more closely their sport-specific movement and the angles they need to produce power from. I've also spoken to a couple of bodybuilders who said that for purely hypertrophy purposes, below parallel wasn't necessary.

    I don't personally subscribe to those views, but that's the idea I think.

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    Methuselah wrote: »
    My belt arrived today! I'm hoping the university will let me grab it tomorrow in time for heavy day.

    Pics when you get it.

  • CandlemassCandlemass Registered User regular
    Spherick wrote: »
    I thought training that limited ROM of the squat puts pretty bad strain on the patella joint. When should one incorporate quarter squats?

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    I'm tempted to add in quarter squats on occasion just to help get used to the feeling of way heavier weight on my shoulders. It feels like there can be a pretty big mental barrier as soon as i lift a heavy feeling barbell off the pins

  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    Spherick wrote: »
    I thought training that limited ROM of the squat puts pretty bad strain on the patella joint. When should one incorporate quarter squats?

    The folk I talk to who squat high usually do it because it mimics more closely their sport-specific movement and the angles they need to produce power from. I've also spoken to a couple of bodybuilders who said that for purely hypertrophy purposes, below parallel wasn't necessary.

    I don't personally subscribe to those views, but that's the idea I think.

    I've heard the bodybuilding thing too. I've noticed that Ronnie Coleman stops his squats high in a bunch of his vids but he's also a fucking monster so I guess he's figured out what works for him.

  • CaptainBeyondCaptainBeyond Registered User regular
    Anyone got any sweet recovery (for fatigue) tips? Besides not trying to lift a finger I mean.

  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    Anyone got any sweet recovery (for fatigue) tips? Besides not trying to lift a finger I mean.

    Be more specific, what kind of fatigue are we talking about?

    Otherwise, my suggestion is sleep.

  • Chessboxing909Chessboxing909 Registered User regular
    Oh hey since sleep got mentioned, anyone ever had a sleep study done? Been considering it, read a few articles about how sleep disorders effect people and can cause fatigue and recovery issues.

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  • y2jake215y2jake215 The No Flex ZoneRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    I might've posted about this issue before, but it would've been a loooong time ago.

    When I try to work out my chest, usually any sort of bench, sometimes flies, etc., or if I would try shoulder stuff (lateral raises, etc, which I completely gave up on years ago) I get pain roughly in my AC joint area. If I work out consistently, it starts to happen when I do pretty much anything, and also lingers randomly in the back of my shoulder (feels like its probably in that top bone in your upper back, maybe my scapula?) It started in my right shoulder about 5 or 6 years ago, and has begun to happen in my left shoulder too. I have had limited range in my right shoulder for years, for example I can't even really do an upright row motion, let alone with any weight, while my left is still pretty normal. They crack constantly, and feel like they're popping a little bit during some workout motions. I think 4 years ago or so I got an MRI on it, the guy said there was nothing enough wrong that I needed surgery but that something was a little bit wacky with my AC joint, and I underwent physical therapy. I've done at least 2 or 3 separate sequences of PT on it, including once after getting a cortisone shot in the right shoulder. When it first started, I took at least a year off from lifting, and in the years since then I've taken breaks of between 1 to 6 months several other times. No amount of rest or PT seems to help it, it'll subside (mostly) but acts back up again as soon as I start working out again. I'm making another appointment with a shoulder specialist tomorrow, but has anyone had ANY similar experience with shoulder issues. This shit is really starting to bother me, since working out is something I really, really enjoy and get depressed when I can't for a long period of time, watch my gains disappear for the hundredth time, and end up eating like shit and falling out of shape.

    Thanks guys

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