Here's hoping all three episodes are as strong this time. The second one from last season felt quite out of place.
Indeed. Episode 2 got quite silly at times, I thought 1 and 3 were much more enjoyable
and the ricocheting bullet line was ridicules
He has the most English name in the history of the world.
The Onion A.V. Club says that his name is so British, he counts as two British people.
His name is so British you can't pronounce it properly unless you're holding a cup of tea.
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People will find anything to complain about, it seems:
It occurred to me that Cumberbatch would play an excellent Cheshire Cat in some kind of Wonderland adaptation. But yeah, aside from the close of the episode, thought this one was really great. Also pleased that they're not playing them just like a simple Jonathan Creek episode, murder, mystery, simple solution uncovered by a clever man, credits.
I liked the last couple of minutes. I expected it to happen, but then they faked me out and made me think it wasn't going to, so when it actually did I was surprised (again).
(note: as a feminist, I had no problems whatsoever with this episode. I am obviously not feminist enough)
To be fair, they do have a point. Though I enjoyed the episode, Moffat did basically turn a character who's competence comes from her intelligence into a character who's competence comes from being oh so sexy and polluting the minds of even the most chaste of men. Moffat writes really terrible depictions of women in general, and it's easy to forget because the rest of his writing is generally top-notch.
(note: as a feminist, I had no problems whatsoever with this episode. I am obviously not feminist enough)
To be fair, they do have a point. Though I enjoyed the episode, Moffat did basically turn a character who's competence comes from her intelligence into a character who's competence comes from being oh so sexy and polluting the minds of even the most chaste of men. Moffat writes really terrible depictions of women in general, and it's easy to forget because the rest of his writing is generally top-notch.
To me, it did seem like kind of a lazy way to update her character. It's very reminiscent of Frank Miller turning Catwoman into a reformed prostitute in Batman: Year One. It seems like some men believe that the strongest woman is the woman who dominates them sexually.
Agreed, and just as with Catwoman, the character's one weakness is giving in to her emotions and caring too much about a man. It's a common trope with 'strong' female characters, and it's essentially a male fantasy dressed up as female empowerment.
It bothered me while watching the episode, though I still enjoyed it very much overall.
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It seems like some men believe that the strongest woman is the woman who dominates them sexually.
More likely they think that people who are strong are people who don't like being sexually submissive; a strong man wouldn't want to be, in their opinion, so why would a strong woman?
Though I enjoyed the episode, Moffat did basically turn a character who's competence comes from her intelligence into a character who's competence comes from being oh so sexy and polluting the minds of even the most chaste of men.
Moffat shows you a pair of knockers and apparently you forget that she's intelligent. This says a lot more about you than it does about him.
Adler 1) knew how to baffle Sherlock's ability to read people, 2) used gloves for her safe, 3) had self-destruct for the safe, 4) had a gun inside the safe, 5) worked out a mystery that until then only Sherlock (and Mycroft) had solved, 5) had a self-destruct for her phone, 6) could capably fake her own death, 7) was manipulating Sherlock the entire time and a few other bits and pieces that I'm overlooking.
The idea that somehow, by presenting her as a seductress you've diminished her intellect is amusing. The episode presents her as extremely competent in plenty of ways, and she's only shown to have one flaw.
t beth: she's clearly presented as sherlock's level, but the issue is that she was also given a super sexualised dimension which she harps on about a lot ("i know what x likes" etcetera) and this seems to be because she's a laaaady. also it's a tired trope.
but having said all that i still enjoyed it. moffat writes tropes i enjoy. it wasn't sexist enough to break my concentration with the show.
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Having the only power you get as a woman be from sexual domination is a tired trope... so it only really applies here if you ignore the power she gets from her intellect.
I personally thought she was presented as much more intellectually capable in this adaptation than she was in A Scandal in Bohemia (where practically all she does correctly is pose as a youth to stalk Sherlock, and flee; other than that, ACD basically didn't 'show' her intellect at all, it was all 'told' on the part of Holmes and the King, mostly as praise).
...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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Agreed, and just as with Catwoman, the character's one weakness is giving in to her emotions and caring too much about a man. It's a common trope with 'strong' female characters, and it's essentially a male fantasy dressed up as female empowerment.
Good point. I have no issue with the rest of it but the way sherlock broke her code because she had sentiment is kinda lame.
Then again having your one flaw being that you want to bone Benedict Cumberbatch isn't entirely unrealistic.
why couldn't they just let her die? Come on, Sherlock isn't the goddamn Batman.
Actually, he is. That's the only thing that was slightly off for me in this episode. Sherlock is just too good at what he does. In Study in Pink he at least made a mistake or two in his deductions. But here there was literally nothing that he couldn't turn around.
I assume his limitless competence just came across as more pronounced this episode, and the next two will show him as slightly less than infallible.
with the solving the puzzle for Adler without even really asking what it was for, giving Moriarty an edge over Mycroft and all that.
plus in terms of vulnerability, also, didn't he totally buy Adler's faked death? I didn't think he expected to find her when he followed Watson. he left pretty quickly from there too, I thought it was pretty obvious that his feelings (such as they are) were pretty severely hurt by the deception.
Hmmm. Maybe it's because I actually work in a government biological research lab, but that was a tad too out there for me. Still good fun but just much sillier and non 'real world' than the previous episodes.
Yeah I solved it about 40 minutes before Sherlock got it so watching it being dragged out a bit made the end a bit dull. I mean,
on the basis that nobody watching it is going to really believe there is a giant demon dog running around, and they aren't going to repeat the solution from the original story, there was kind of only one sensible solution.
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I'm sure Mycroft has pulled Moriarty in because he knows he's obviously a criminal but couldn't get any charges to stick. That or he needs to let him go so he can be allowed to continue his plans (with a view to trailing him to find out what they are and stop them).
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I honestly think the issues with this episode were entirely down to trying to write a credible mystery about a monstrous dog, given that there has to be a monstrous dog which nevertheless cannot literally be a monstrous dog.
They probably should have just glossed over Hound of the Baskervilles.
I think they'd have been better off just doing it as a gothic horror story with none of the military weapon bollocks.
Yeah, it was kind of a disappointment. Once they brought that in it was pretty much obvious that it was going to be a secret weapon of some form or another. There had to have been more interesting approaches, especially given that they've been pretty good about making the episodes about people rather than macguffins.
Yeah I solved it about 40 minutes before Sherlock got it so watching it being dragged out a bit made the end a bit dull. I mean,
on the basis that nobody watching it is going to really believe there is a giant demon dog running around, and they aren't going to repeat the solution from the original story, there was kind of only one sensible solution.
Also the end
I'm sure Mycroft has pulled Moriarty in because he knows he's obviously a criminal but couldn't get any charges to stick. That or he needs to let him go so he can be allowed to continue his plans (with a view to trailing him to find out what they are and stop them).
For someone as dangerous as Moriarty a government doesn't need charges to stick. They can just imprison them illegally, there has to another reason for releasing him.
Out of curiosity, how does one watch the new season if they live in America Fuck Yeah? Is it available online somewhere? I haven't googled it yet, but every time I try to google "Watch X show online" get a lot of bad links that lead to malware.
Out of curiosity, how does one watch the new season if they live in America Fuck Yeah? Is it available online somewhere? I haven't googled it yet, but every time I try to google "Watch X show online" get a lot of bad links that lead to malware.
It's apparently being broadcast by PBS in the US in May.
I don't think there will be any legal way to watch it online in the US until it's actually been broadcast first.
After the breakneck speed of last week's episode, this one felt much more "regular". It featured a good amount of interplay between Watson and Holmes. It had Holmes making mistakes and being wrong about things, and it gave Watson something to do.
I agree that in direct comparison to last week's, it might come across as slightly underwhelming. The criminal's fate seemed more like a lazy way to end the episode, so as not to write any dialogue about the fallout of the case. And the very last sence was ok, but came out of nowhere. Last week he was wandering around London freely, orchestrating all kinds of mayhem... and now he's suddenly locked up in a cell. I'm not sure how that works.
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Why was he imprisoned, and why did mycroft free him?
Holmes was going against mycroft somewhat in this episode, but enough to warrant letting him go?
Or was it not just to have someone to go against sherlock, but something "brotherly", because mycroft knows his brother needs an adversary and will get into unfortunate situations anyways?
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His name is so British you can't pronounce it properly unless you're holding a cup of tea.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/03/sherlock-sexist-steven-moffat
(note: as a feminist, I had no problems whatsoever with this episode. I am obviously not feminist enough)
And illustrated the article with large photos of said scenes in A FAMILY NEWSPAPER.
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I liked the last couple of minutes. I expected it to happen, but then they faked me out and made me think it wasn't going to, so when it actually did I was surprised (again).
I think it needed to end about a minute earlier.
To be fair, they do have a point. Though I enjoyed the episode, Moffat did basically turn a character who's competence comes from her intelligence into a character who's competence comes from being oh so sexy and polluting the minds of even the most chaste of men. Moffat writes really terrible depictions of women in general, and it's easy to forget because the rest of his writing is generally top-notch.
To me, it did seem like kind of a lazy way to update her character. It's very reminiscent of Frank Miller turning Catwoman into a reformed prostitute in Batman: Year One. It seems like some men believe that the strongest woman is the woman who dominates them sexually.
It bothered me while watching the episode, though I still enjoyed it very much overall.
Moffat shows you a pair of knockers and apparently you forget that she's intelligent. This says a lot more about you than it does about him.
The idea that somehow, by presenting her as a seductress you've diminished her intellect is amusing. The episode presents her as extremely competent in plenty of ways, and she's only shown to have one flaw.
but having said all that i still enjoyed it. moffat writes tropes i enjoy. it wasn't sexist enough to break my concentration with the show.
I personally thought she was presented as much more intellectually capable in this adaptation than she was in A Scandal in Bohemia (where practically all she does correctly is pose as a youth to stalk Sherlock, and flee; other than that, ACD basically didn't 'show' her intellect at all, it was all 'told' on the part of Holmes and the King, mostly as praise).
Good point. I have no issue with the rest of it but the way sherlock broke her code because she had sentiment is kinda lame.
Then again having your one flaw being that you want to bone Benedict Cumberbatch isn't entirely unrealistic.
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the ending annoyed me somewhat
Actually, he is. That's the only thing that was slightly off for me in this episode. Sherlock is just too good at what he does. In Study in Pink he at least made a mistake or two in his deductions. But here there was literally nothing that he couldn't turn around.
I assume his limitless competence just came across as more pronounced this episode, and the next two will show him as slightly less than infallible.
plus in terms of vulnerability, also, didn't he totally buy Adler's faked death? I didn't think he expected to find her when he followed Watson. he left pretty quickly from there too, I thought it was pretty obvious that his feelings (such as they are) were pretty severely hurt by the deception.
The finale kind of tapered off there, or perhaps I stopped paying a lot of attention..
At the end though,
No, it kind of tapered off. It was all a bit predictable.
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They probably should have just glossed over Hound of the Baskervilles.
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It's apparently being broadcast by PBS in the US in May.
I don't think there will be any legal way to watch it online in the US until it's actually been broadcast first.
I agree that in direct comparison to last week's, it might come across as slightly underwhelming. The criminal's fate seemed more like a lazy way to end the episode, so as not to write any dialogue about the fallout of the case. And the very last sence was ok, but came out of nowhere. Last week he was wandering around London freely, orchestrating all kinds of mayhem... and now he's suddenly locked up in a cell. I'm not sure how that works.
I mean, I know that there are mines that work like that in the real world, but they're so fun when they're in fiction.
Why was he imprisoned, and why did mycroft free him?
Holmes was going against mycroft somewhat in this episode, but enough to warrant letting him go?
Or was it not just to have someone to go against sherlock, but something "brotherly", because mycroft knows his brother needs an adversary and will get into unfortunate situations anyways?