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Community: Season 4 Premiere February 7, Old Timeslot
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Ha, while being reminded of that did make me smile, I don't think that reminding people of that particular connection would have been a good joke - that actually would have been one that took me out of the show for a second, so I'm glad they didn't make any reference to it. That would have been a cheap joke, and I'm glad they avoided it.
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I would probably rank both of those among the best
they didn't elevate a christmas show in this episode? or draw a lot of out the concept of getting people to join glee club?
also it's not a superficial parody, it was excellent. I'm realizing you probably just didn't get a lot of the jokes that were going on.
edit - your bit about it being personal is really meaningless
and the execution remains not-sloppy. you might as well say none of them had a reason to change.
ughhh it was community at its preachy worst
I should actually rewatch it. I've been going through the commentaries since I got s2 last week but I haven't actually seen these episodes in ages
Really dude? Wow. Yes, everyone who doesn't laugh at the same jokes that you laugh at must be too stupid to get them. That's the only possible explanation.
Let's say you're in a bar and you make friends with a veteran. Then one day he gleefully talks about the women he raped and killed in Vietnam. You would probably back away from him and feel terrified afterwards. You would probably avoid him from that point forward. The man is clearly a monster, but he's not a direct threat to you or anyone you've known. And there's nothing you can do about making him get punished for his past actions. So your only option is to stay away, which is what the characters did.
Now, let's say that you join a club, and you start worshipping the guy in charge. And then you found out that the previous team for not being good enough. And then he threatens to murder you. And then he runs away. You're not going to feel concerned over the fact that the guy murdered people in your exact same situation?
And in the war criminal episode, Abed/Troy/Britta were horrified. The only acknowledgement we get from Jeff is, "Wow, did he say he killed the old team?" (Change subject).
Honestly, I don't think that was a dig at your intelligence. He was just pointing out that the parody is more nuanced to people who are actual fans of Glee. I agree with him. It's like watching the episode Critical Film Studies without ever having seen Pulp Fiction or My Dinner with Andre. You're going to get the jokes that don't rely on knowledge of those films, but you're going to miss the more subtle stuff. It has nothing to do with your intelligence.
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"no no no no no no no no no. this show is supposed to be gleeful and bright and fun and you can let me do that or there can be another bus crash!"
seriously, that's the threat they are supposed to be cowering over instead of wrapping up the episode? after the guy runs away having admitted his guilt in front of a large group of people, any of whom would have called the cops?
oh my god the audio at the end, they say regionals! how would the writers for the inspector space time special know about regionals! WHAT A BAD SHOW!
Well, this would be one of the more vicious (and precision accurate) swipes at Glee. Maybe they shouldn't have 'gone there' for the sake of a joke, but they've gone to some pretty dark places for jokes before.
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You seem really devoted to this episode being bad. Since so many other people enjoyed it, it must have been doing something right. Did you expect an incredible send-off that would get hundreds of millions of viewers so the show would stay on?
Or they could, you know, not include that joke in the first place.
i.e., the reason the writers didn't have Ned Ryerson shoot himself isn't because it was dark (NBC might have intervened for that reason, but not the writers). It's because it would be totally out of character for someone like Abed not to react to that. And because being responsible for another person's suicide would likely scar Abed for life. It would have been hilarious as a scene, but the implications would have been terrible. At the end of this episode, Abed makes a weak Aesop and then heads home. They don't just cut away, Abed leaves. Even though, among other things, he would be the most qualified to give the police details on what happened, how to track down the teacher, insights on the teacher's psychology, etc.
The war criminal episode was dark, but the reactions were realistic. In this episode, the reactions weren't realistic.
The guy murdered an entire team of students because he wasn't happy with their performance. And the team allowed themselves to be brainwashed by him. Yes, that's pretty terrifying when you consider the implications.
Abed cares so little that he decides to go home.
Overall I enjoyed the episode, but a little less than usual I think. I'm not really into musicals in general or Glee specifically, so I guess there were some jokes I didn't get. "Booby doopy doop sex" was hilarious though. Italics!
Some people really loved it. Others really didn't.
One of my friends who was a huge fan of the series posted on my wall, "I shall openly say that I no longer have faith in 'Community.'"
They don't need a huge send up. But what they needed was an episode that reflected the best of what this series has to offer, and if the episode turns off a lot of loyal fans for failing to do the things that Community typically does right, then that's not a good spot to be in. Especially since first time viewers who watch this episode may not have an accurate expectation of the rest of the series.
Wow. When you consider the implications? Do you hate Wile E. Coyote cartoons because you have to stop and consider the implications of a sentient coyote trying to constantly kill a bird that can run faster than the speed of sound who seemingly can order any Rube Goldbergian contraption out of a catalog for a company whose sole purpose for existence is helping this sentient coyote kill this freakishly fast bird?
I still wish we could have heard the songs they used to turn Annie and Britta.
The problem isn't being dark, though. It's the characters not behaving realistically.
30 Rock could get away this this type of joke really easily, because all the characters on that show are caricatures. But then, 30 Rock is a show where they've been toying with the premise that Kenneth is secretly immortal.
Remember in Chaos Theory, when the buzzer rings and Annie freaks out, because she had to apply a tourniquet on someone who was stabbed? Remember how we discover she bought a gun just to defend herself? That's Annie response to that particular situation. It makes her more human. But in this episode, she's told that the guy who convinced her to whore herself out to Jeff is a mass murderer who would have killed her if she didn't perform well enough, and...
this is a show where a character dressed up like Batman to take back a DVD from his landlord. your argument is invalid.
I think the point is "breaking the tone". Either because an otherwise non-cynical show suddenly goes very dark or because an otherwise plausible show dips its toe into absurdity that does not have the repercussions that one expected.
Community seems to be a show that occasionally moves beyond its regular rules and tropes for a surprise gag, without any of those things (and their repercussions) being fully explored. That's how the show rolls. It's not so far out there as 30 Rock (from what I've seen of it), but every once in a while you get something that should be a big deal, but that turns out not to be. It's most obvious with the dark moments and undercurrents that occasionally show up, when dealing with the character's neurosis or mental hang-ups.
I laughed so. Hard.
Everything after they leave the bar though is pitch perfect.
It's an amazingly accurate portrayal of friends who continue to nonchalantly hook up. It really captures being the third wheel. It captures not knowing what your friend's life is like when they aren't with you -especially if they haven't let you in all the way.
It was a 90s coming of age movie ending that out does every single attempt to do it in the 90s coming of age genre .
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The setup for her to be infected/her reactions were perfect.
Also, I've only noticed over the past 3 episodes or so, but Abed is showing a much broader range of emotion than he had been in the past. He never used to smile before, for example, and during this episode he smiled several times. Maybe the emotionally unavailable unicorn is no longer so emotionally unavailable?
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As someone who wasn't a huge fan of the episode, Shirley's bit was the best.
And your parents are just as dumb as you are.
Only thing I didn't like about this episode was the Glee teacher. I just don't like that actor. At all.
Except that's a perfectly reasonable reaction from someone like Abed, who once had a mental breakdown and saw everyone in Claymation after his mom decided not to see him on Christmas. It would have only been unrealistic if Abed started displaying superhuman abilities to go with it.
they didn't say 'fine let him go who cares'... they cut out the ENTIRELY UNNECCESSARY TO EVERYONE BUT YOU part of them starting up a manhunt and interviewing the main characters. what a fucking stupid waste of time that would have been.
sort of like the time you're wasting trying to prove that this episode was bad and has doomed the show even as it receives praise from a majority of the posters here.
Bad writing is realistic in the context of bad writing.
They didn't simply cut the manhunt scene out, they showed the characters completely not caring.
Confirmation biases are awesome and totally representative of what everyone else thinks! I'm not the only person complaining about this episode on this board. Several other very loyal fans have also spoken up and said that they didn't care for this episode. So yeah, while a lot of people thought this episode was awesome, you also had a lot of people who really didn't like it. This episode has a lot more negative feedback compared to other episodes, which usually have no negative feedback at all. And keep in mind that people who love the show and want it to continue are much more likely to post something positive than rock the boat with something negative.
If you have some people shouting "OMG, best episode ever!" and some people saying, "Wow, that was very sloppy and not well made," then what that says is that the episode is going for something that is very, very different from what Community fans are accustomed to. Some fans may really enjoy that thing that's different, and other fans might really hate it. But both sides agree it's different.
The problem is that the thing that is different doesn't reflect what the show typically delivers. Which means that a lot of new viewers might watch the episode and think, "Hey, that's awesome," but then they won't like standard episodes of Community. And other new viewers might watch and think, "Wow, that's not very good" and stay away.