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Hold Onto Your Corn, It's the Last [Debate Thread] Before the Iowa Primary!
Kana
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Air Time: Thursday, December 15 at 9pm ET on Fox News
Live Stream: FoxNews.comThe next debate and last one before the Iowa caucus is set to take place this Thursday night, December 15th at 8pm CST in Sioux City at the Sioux City Convention Center. It will be hosted by Fox News and the Iowa Republican Party. This will be the last major televised debate in Iowa as Donald Trump has finally decided to cancel his debate that was well on its way to being doomed anyway.
The main storyline for tonight:
Talking Points Memo writes:
The stage is set: there’s an armada of Romney endorsements coming in. The National Review and the Washington Examiner are united against Gingrich. Along with George Will, and David Brooks, and Charles Krauthammer. David Frum, Peggy Noonan, Karl Rove. Gingrich’s poll numbers are plateauing.
But in some sense, all this is almost beside the point. Here’s what I want to know — who’s winning the Murdoch primary? What’s happening on Fox News? If they’re with Gingrich then he can hold up against the rest of the “establishment” (failing an epic gaffe), and if they abandon him then so too will the primary voters. What’s the verdict?
The Debaters for Tonight:
Newt Gingrich, somewhere around 30%, he's the current frontrunner in Iowa, but his poll numbers seem to be falling fast as most of the establishment recoils in horror at the idea of him in a general election.
Ron Paul, coming in at 18-20%, has been going strongly negative against Gingrich, and seems to be picking up some of the "Anyone but Romney" voters that are abandoning HMS Gingrich. He's a legitimate challenge for the Iowa nod, but will Fox News overcome their disgust with him to even give him a question?
Mitt Romney, he still seems to be the only guy capable of running a general election campaign... But will primary voters be able to bring themselves to actually vote for him?
Michelle Bachmann, polling around 8-10%. We haven't heard much out of her lately, except to find out she's surprisingly sane on Pakistan. Go figure.
Rick Perry is also still hanging around 10%. At this point we'll count this debate a win for him if he can remembers his own name.
“People in Iowa and New Hampshire are no different than people elsewhere: they want to touch ya, sniff ya, smell ya.”
Rick Santorum is only polling around 4%, but for some reason still gets invited to these things.
Jon Huntsman isn't actually running in Iowa, but is still going to be at the debate to pimp himself for the New Hampshire primary, where he's been gaining recently.
Ron Paul, coming in at 18-20%, has been going strongly negative against Gingrich, and seems to be picking up some of the "Anyone but Romney" voters that are abandoning HMS Gingrich. He's a legitimate challenge for the Iowa nod, but will Fox News overcome their disgust with him to even give him a question?
Mitt Romney, he still seems to be the only guy capable of running a general election campaign... But will primary voters be able to bring themselves to actually vote for him?
Michelle Bachmann, polling around 8-10%. We haven't heard much out of her lately, except to find out she's surprisingly sane on Pakistan. Go figure.
Rick Perry is also still hanging around 10%. At this point we'll count this debate a win for him if he can remembers his own name.
“People in Iowa and New Hampshire are no different than people elsewhere: they want to touch ya, sniff ya, smell ya.”
Rick Santorum is only polling around 4%, but for some reason still gets invited to these things.
Jon Huntsman isn't actually running in Iowa, but is still going to be at the debate to pimp himself for the New Hampshire primary, where he's been gaining recently.
DRINKING GAME
Take 1 sip when:
Romney gets that 'who the fuck are these morons?' look on his face
The moderators invite a candidate to personally attack someone next to them.
Someone praises Reagan
A candidate pretends they have a deep love for Iowa
A candidate blames the librul media for all the problems
Someone says "Obamacare"
Rick Perry says 'jobs'
Ron Paul's voice starts rising in pitch
Someone mentions Jesus and/or the Christian morals of America
Everytime someone brownnoses Fox News
Someone says "The ____ agenda"
Take a drink when:
Romney unleashes his "fuck you asshole I'm supposed to be president" uncomfortable laugh
Romney angrily denies taking a position that we have videotape of him supporting.
Romney describes himself as a businessman
Ron Paul points out an uncomfortable fact
Perry embarrasses everyone on the stage with how stupid he is.
Gingrich says "fundamentally"
Gingrich tries to argue with the moderator
Gingrich describes himself as a historian
A candidate mentions a country other than America, Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan
Every time someone treats Perry, Bachmann, or Santorum like real candidates
Finish your drink when:
Bachmann or Santorum actually say something reasonable.
Gingrich says something nice about the other candidates
Ron Paul agrees with another candidate
Perry gets a complete argument out
Huntsman gets a question
The audience applauds and/or boos inappropriately
Someone resurrects 9-9-9
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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Seemed really apparent to me in the 5 minutes I could stomach of the last debate.
When he starts flubbing quotes, I'll be right there with you. He's already got "be an idiot" down to a T.
ok, so 2.5 hours. Alright, I have time to do some chores and things before settling in to enjoy this.
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Chores meaning being really drunk right?
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Hmmm...I guess you could take a shot whenever someone mentions Reagan.
I'd like to live to see tomorrow.
So what happens if the establishment tanks Gingrich? Where does that support go?
ABRABRABRABRABR
Take a shot anytime someone tells an outright lie, no then you'd be dead before the first question was done.
Take a shot for every mention of a war with iran?
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To gingrich, you have to remember what happened with Christine O'donnel and Sharon Angle.
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This is hard!
Risky Henroid, you can stretch most of their questions to a not so subtle allusion to an obama policy or position. Maybe take a shot anytime Newt says something that makes you feel creeped out?
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They're not afraid to be blunt, so the subtle stuff can be ignored and still make it a fun game.
And on the Newt suggestion, see my earlier post: I'd like to wake up tomorrow morning.
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That poor fucker. How about a shot every time Bachmann interjects over someone else's time?
That might not actually be too bad.
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Sadly, no. I'm on the other side of the world, so it's still daylight for me. Laundry, dishes, house cleaning, that kind of thing.
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Well I'm glad our politics are amusing to those across seas. Know our misery!
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Gotta get out before the gay agenda destroys what it really means to be married.
Oh wait, it doesn't count if I say it.
Oh well.
*Drinks*
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Still a citizen.
And I can vote, I'm from Delaware, solid Blue. I've even already sent in my absentee ballot requests. :P Over a year early. I'm living down here cause I met and fell in love with a kiwi (ecco the dolphin on these boards, actually).
So I have a pretty vested interest in how crazy the politics are. Affects family and things, you know. :P
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Romney gets that 'who the fuck are these morons?' look on his face
The moderators invite a candidate to personally attack someone next to them.
Someone praises Reagan
A candidate pretends they have a deep love for Iowa
A candidate blames the librul media for all the problems
Someone says "Obamacare"
Rick Perry says 'jobs'
Ron Paul's voice starts rising in pitch
Someone mentions Jesus and/or the Christian morals of America
Everytime someone brownnoses Fox News
Someone says "The ____ agenda"
Take a drink when:
Romney unleashes his "fuck you asshole I'm supposed to be president" uncomfortable laugh
Romney angrily denies taking a position that we have videotape of him supporting.
Romney describes himself as a businessman
Ron Paul points out an uncomfortable fact
Perry embarrasses everyone on the stage with how stupid he is.
Gingrich says "fundamentally"
Gingrich tries to argue with the moderator
Gingrich describes himself as a historian
A candidate mentions a country other than America, Iraq, Iran, or Afghanistan
Every time someone treats Perry, Bachmann, or Santorum like real candidates
Finish your drink when:
Bachmann or Santorum actually say something reasonable.
Gingrich says something nice about the other candidates
Ron Paul agrees with another candidate
Perry gets a complete argument out
Huntsman gets a question
The audience applauds and/or boos inappropriately
Someone resurrects 9-9-9
pleasepaypreacher.net
Oddly, yes. He's not running in Iowa though.
let him die, booing a vet, cheering executions
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More of the let him die, or cheering for someone being executed, or booing someone because they are gay. You know the classy things pubs do at their debates.
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http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/09/14/former-paul-campaign-manager-died-from-lack-of-health-insurance/
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Crowd: 'Woo! Yeah! WOOO!'
Me: *Drink*
I turned fox on a few minutes ago and watched for like 90 seconds
Good lord this channel is worse even than I remembered it