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FlipprDolphin

Hey, someone explain to me how Leo's weapon works and this charging stuff.

Ive been using the crossbow 24/7 because it does nice damage

Kor

FlipprDolphin wrote: »

Hey, someone explain to me how Leo's weapon works and this charging stuff.

Ive been using the crossbow 24/7 because it does nice damage

The Mona Laser has great range before fall off damage occurs. Usually this means he can hit turrets from a very safe distance. It also has splash damage, which means if you shoot a shady, chances are you'll kill the slims right next to it.

The laser charges up a heal based on the damage done. Usually a single shot gives the laser 7-9% of a charge. The alt fire actually uses the heal. The heal is pretty mild unless it's at 100%. Imagine at level 1 the heal healing for 50hp at 50% charge. This means at 99% it would heal for 99hp. At 100% it gets a boost, so at 100% it will heal for 300hp. This all scales with level and the heal can crit. The heal heals your entire team, and yourself from anyway across the map. Because of how crits work in this game, if the heal crits for one teammates it crits for all teammates.

The damage itself on the laser is good, so using it to snip runaway pros is actually really easy to accomplish. You could probably kill an unarmored enforcer in 6 or 7 shots.

Kor

Casually Hardcore wrote: »

Your turret haves a teleport back to spawn button, so use it often to constantly be buying bots. But don't by bots right before the annihilator.

There is a sweet spot you'll want to try to find. It's the point where the enemy team is going to start trying to hold the annihilator. Basically what you want to do is time it so the Fuji you just bought will be making it to enemy territory just as the other pros are starting to hold the anni.

An uncontested Leo can take out turrets insanely fast. I've personally taken the entire left lane on Downtown Spunky before the first anni went up, because no one was there to stop me. Of course the moment I got the money ball down, or the moment the anni was used, I dropped my turret to get out of there because I knew that even though I can push to the money ball, I certainly can't hold it by myself.

FlipprDolphin

Kor wrote: »

FlipprDolphin wrote: »

Hey, someone explain to me how Leo's weapon works and this charging stuff.

Ive been using the crossbow 24/7 because it does nice damage

The Mona Laser has great range before fall off damage occurs. Usually this means he can hit turrets from a very safe distance. It also has splash damage, which means if you shoot a shady, chances are you'll kill the slims right next to it.

The laser charges up a heal based on the damage done. Usually a single shot gives the laser 7-9% of a charge. The alt fire actually uses the heal. The heal is pretty mild unless it's at 100%. Imagine at level 1 the heal healing for 50hp at 50% charge. This means at 99% it would heal for 99hp. At 100% it gets a boost, so at 100% it will heal for 300hp. This all scales with level and the heal can crit. The heal heals your entire team, and yourself from anyway across the map. Because of how crits work in this game, if the heal crits for one teammates it crits for all teammates.

The damage itself on the laser is good, so using it to snip runaway pros is actually really easy to accomplish. You could probably kill an unarmored enforcer in 6 or 7 shots.

So the heal is global?

When is a good time for xbow, on turrets or pushing lanes?

Panda4You

Haven't played this in a couple of months, was fun picking it up again with a coupla friends. Have they upped Cheston's dmg output? I was racking up kills like a motherfucker in a coupe of games, I remember not being able to kill shit, but nipping at everyone's health so you'd get 400 assists though, with him.

Kor

So this just happened:

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197999364979/screenshot/596970082493124380?tab=public

The entire game our gunner was being super passive aggressive at me for not coming to his aid anything he needed help. Which of course is ironic consider that both of my deaths were when I tried to help him. Some people just don't understand that A)When we've lost the annihilator I'm not going to throw my corpse at the damn thing to hold them off that extra half a second, and B) Leo is not a Pro killer, especially not in the Jungle.

ThatDudeOverThere

FlipprDolphin wrote: »

Kor wrote: »

FlipprDolphin wrote: »

Hey, someone explain to me how Leo's weapon works and this charging stuff.

Ive been using the crossbow 24/7 because it does nice damage

The Mona Laser has great range before fall off damage occurs. Usually this means he can hit turrets from a very safe distance. It also has splash damage, which means if you shoot a shady, chances are you'll kill the slims right next to it.

The laser charges up a heal based on the damage done. Usually a single shot gives the laser 7-9% of a charge. The alt fire actually uses the heal. The heal is pretty mild unless it's at 100%. Imagine at level 1 the heal healing for 50hp at 50% charge. This means at 99% it would heal for 99hp. At 100% it gets a boost, so at 100% it will heal for 300hp. This all scales with level and the heal can crit. The heal heals your entire team, and yourself from anyway across the map. Because of how crits work in this game, if the heal crits for one teammates it crits for all teammates.

The damage itself on the laser is good, so using it to snip runaway pros is actually really easy to accomplish. You could probably kill an unarmored enforcer in 6 or 7 shots.

So the heal is global?

When is a good time for xbow, on turrets or pushing lanes?

when your heal is fully charged and you don't need it at the moment?

Kor

FlipprDolphin wrote: »

Kor wrote: »

FlipprDolphin wrote: »

Hey, someone explain to me how Leo's weapon works and this charging stuff.

Ive been using the crossbow 24/7 because it does nice damage

The Mona Laser has great range before fall off damage occurs. Usually this means he can hit turrets from a very safe distance. It also has splash damage, which means if you shoot a shady, chances are you'll kill the slims right next to it.

The laser charges up a heal based on the damage done. Usually a single shot gives the laser 7-9% of a charge. The alt fire actually uses the heal. The heal is pretty mild unless it's at 100%. Imagine at level 1 the heal healing for 50hp at 50% charge. This means at 99% it would heal for 99hp. At 100% it gets a boost, so at 100% it will heal for 300hp. This all scales with level and the heal can crit. The heal heals your entire team, and yourself from anyway across the map. Because of how crits work in this game, if the heal crits for one teammates it crits for all teammates.

The damage itself on the laser is good, so using it to snip runaway pros is actually really easy to accomplish. You could probably kill an unarmored enforcer in 6 or 7 shots.

So the heal is global?

When is a good time for xbow, on turrets or pushing lanes?

I only use the xbow when I'm actually near the anni and the other team is clustered up and I've got juice. That's it. Maybe if there is a large cluster of bots hitting our rocket turret and I've got juice. I guess I only use it when I have juice.

The Mona Laser works better on turrets because it gives you the same damage but you get the safe distance out of it, plus you're getting that heal charged up.

TheGerbil

The crossbow is good for grapples and when you can hit with all 3 arrow shots. Other than that, laser all the way.

Savant

Crossbow has no fall off damage, so if you need to snipe a turret from a long way away then it works for that too.

Kor

Savant wrote: »

Crossbow has no fall off damage, so if you need to snipe a turret from a long way away then it works for that too.

But there aren't a whole lot of turrets in this game that you would need any more range than the laser currently gives. Plus, when using the laser, the heal charges up.

Savant

Kor wrote: »

Savant wrote: »

Crossbow has no fall off damage, so if you need to snipe a turret from a long way away then it works for that too.

But there aren't a whole lot of turrets in this game that you would need any more range than the laser currently gives. Plus, when using the laser, the heal charges up.

You could need more range if you got pain in the ass enemy pros guarding the turret making getting too close is a bad idea. Also you can snipe one of the turrets in loco moco from really far away on top of the anni, which is always fun.

cptrugged

So, for Megabeth. I can't see any reason to put points into the spin at all before the other skills. Every time I see an opposing MB use it, I give a arm pump because now she can't shoot the moon to get away, can't jump to avoid grapples, and paints a big rainbow target on herself. I have seen some discussion that this skill is awesome, but I just don't see it. Not when you have a no fall off rocket launcher for bots and pushing.

But aside from that, shoot the moon keeps you alive and the disk can single handedly stop a jackbot push at higher levels. Just awesome.

Kor

I've seen shoot the moon work incredibly well, but only on Downtown Spunky. It has so many corners and hard walls to lock someone down with, especially the jungle. I think one of the tricks to using it is use it after you've already been grappled. It disorients people like crazy.

Note that I've never once played as Megabeth, only against her.

pablo_price

Whirling Derbish does have some uses: knocking people off the anni pad, retreating from a commando if StM is on cooldown, looking cool at the end of the match, etc.
But you're right, there's not really a reason to level it for normal Megs play.

However, some people swear by "Megablade" a playstyle where you treat her like a commando and you focus on WD and StM. Shoot the Moon is used as an engagement skill rather than an escape and, like a commando, you focus on easy backline targets to surprise and quickly mow down.
I have never actually seen a successful megablade player, but a decent number of people discuss it on the official forum and even the devs mentioned it as an example of unexpected emergent gameplay in one of those livestreams they've done.

ChuckNorrisTypeR

About to go live for my first time streaming some SMNC. I don't claim to be great but I've been practicing daily so I figured with the new rig and all why not stream it...

http://www.twitch.tv/chucknorristyper

Kor

For anyone who didn't see it, Scathis commented on Leo's Sniper ability this latest patch.

Apparently, Leo's heal charge is based on distance to target instead of damage. This way he'd charge at the same rate at max level. So when they buffed his range, they did it so he'd be able to charge his heal more efficiently without making himself so vulnerable. So they'll be correcting that buff this week.

ChuckNorrisTypeR

Sorry to anyone who watched my stream, was doing very bad tonight, I thought I choked but turns out the stream was making my ping spike to 2-300 so I played pretty horrible, first attempt streaming though so I'll have to figure something out, reduced the stream to SD and I stopped lagging for about half of a match and ten did again at the end, not sure if it was me or the game though.

TheGerbil

So I guess pablo just installed? I haven't played in since the 29th so I wouldn't know.

pablo_price

yeah, I'm taking a break for at least a month.

I've been put into 2 balanced matches since last monday, and over 25 stomps with terrible terrible teammates.

IDK if it was the influx of people from the destructoid thing, or if they just broke the matchmaking, but I've been enraged more by this game in the last week than I ever have by any other game combined.

TheGerbil

Why did you install it though? Its not like its a large game, or cost you money.

pablo_price

so I won't even be tempted to play it.
every day I've fired it up thinking "it was a fluke, it'll be playable this time" only to be seeing red 20 minutes later.

Rorus Raz

Got matched against Zutsumi somehow, but managed to win.

Guess it wasn't a premade.

Elbasunu

Man, I feel bad for you, Pablo, I feel like I've had consistently balanced matches for the last two weeks.

But I only play one or two rounds a night...

I hope it's better for you later.

cptrugged

Finally got into a groove of winning matches. Since I tend to like pushing and pushing pros.. if I get in a match with someone who is really good at tying up other pros by killing or sending them back to heal. I tend to do really really well.

I love the fact that k/d can be pretty meh and I can still be fairly certain that I strongly contributed to the win by pushing constantly and spawning all those bots. Really enjoying the more moba playstyle in this one. And I'll be completely honest, its cause I'm just not that great a shot. And having the option to focus on pushing and defending makes the game so much better.

Kor

You really feel like a boss when you chase a Spark away from your money ball when it has 5% health left, and the spark just circles around, so even though you know you can't kill him, you go secret service on the money ball and take all the shots for it, letting it go back up (and then winning the game).

Elbasunu

Kor wrote: »

You really feel like a boss when you chase a Spark away from your money ball when it has 5% health left, and the spark just circles around, so even though you know you can't kill him, you go secret service on the money ball and take all the shots for it, letting it go back up (and then winning the game).

I've been body blocking our turret so often lately. It's the only thing I can do as megabeth against an opposing megabeth. Wish I could dervish knockback the rockets

Rorus Raz

Done with this game.

Fix your fucking shit, Uber.

pablo_price

it's funny, they allow tons of people bitching nonstop about shit on their forums, usually in pretty caustic language.
but my simple "I'm quitting because the game isn't fun anymore" thread was locked immediately

if only I had gone with "omfgee!! teh matchmaking suckxors hardcore" it would've been a 5 page thread with a dev response.

Rorus Raz

Sat in queue for 30 minutes to get a game where the other team had four guys at 10+ kills.

I had the most cash of anyone, but I get the team whose combined total kills couldn't match mine. The Leo was the only worthwhile person on my team, and even he fed.

This game blew it's one chance. Fucking blew it. I may come back if the notes today say "MATCHMAKER ACTUALLY WORKS," but people are quitting in droves. What is there left to matchmake with?

Kor

pablo_price wrote: »

it's funny, they allow tons of people bitching nonstop about shit on their forums, usually in pretty caustic language.
but my simple "I'm quitting because the game isn't fun anymore" thread was locked immediately

if only I had gone with "omfgee!! teh matchmaking suckxors hardcore" it would've been a 5 page thread with a dev response.

Why would you make a thread to say you're quitting? What good is that other than just getting attention from people who will either say:
A) Don't do that, this game is awesome
or
B) Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

There have been about 10 "I'm quitting forever" threads created per day and they serve no discussion related purpose.

pablo_price

1. because I had finally snapped and had to say something
and
2. despite everything, I still love the game and think providing civil feedback is the best way to get them to fix it.

Kor

pablo_price wrote: »

1. because I had finally snapped and had to say something
and
2. despite everything, I still love the game and think providing civil feedback is the best way to get them to fix it.

But giving them the ultimatum of "fix this or I'm never coming back" isn't really civil.

Lepwave

Uber going the way of the original MNC, as in matchmaking will be shit forever. They really should just put everything else on hold and fix matchmaking. Probably why I'm not playing currently.

pablo_price

well, that's not what I said or implied. but even if it were, that's still much more civil than the typical level of discourse they have

Elbasunu

Starting a whole new thread containing one sentence is not constructive when other threads already exist that you could have posted in.

But I do feel for you, and everyone else who isn't get matched well.

Kor

I've actually started screen grabing every post-game screen I play. I plan on one day collaborating the data to see what exactly is happening.

Kor

Also, Endorsement set, complete:

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197999364979/screenshot/596970264189316677?tab=public

ThatDudeOverThere

I really haven't been having matchmaking problems

maybe I'm just lucky?

beta_angel

Holy fuck, Kor.