Prometheus - Probably an Alien prequel, unless it isn't (it totally is)

Seriously

Futore wrote:

Rolo wrote:

Michael Fassbender and Idris Elba and Guy Pearce

i uh

I want to see this now

also Noomi Rapace

me four


I haven't even seen the original alien movies

Seriously you must watch the alien movies right this second

then buy them for me, hypothetical forumer response

Heisenberg

this movie looks amazing.

also, noomi rapace and charlize theron make out scene please.

Prohass

The money you spend on them is money you shoudnt have because it should already be spent on Alien and Aliens. Its the law.

Pharezon

Heisenberg wrote:

this movie looks amazing.

also, noomi rapace and charlize theron make out scene please.

No.

Grey Ghost

Pharezon wrote:

Heisenberg wrote:

this movie looks amazing.

also, noomi rapace and charlize theron make out scene please.

No.

Yeah.
Yeah.

Pharezon

Grey Ghost wrote:

Pharezon wrote:

Heisenberg wrote:

this movie looks amazing.

also, noomi rapace and charlize theron make out scene please.

No.

Yeah.
Yeah.

You will not taint what will be a glorious scifi horror film with a stupid slasher trope.

Grey Ghost

Yeah because two women making out is something that slasher movies have sole intellectual rights over

Grey Ghost

Maybe they are in a stable and loving relationship

Heisenberg

Pharezon wrote:

Grey Ghost wrote:

Pharezon wrote:

Heisenberg wrote:

this movie looks amazing.

also, noomi rapace and charlize theron make out scene please.

No.

Yeah.
Yeah.

You will not taint what will be a glorious scifi horror film with a stupid slasher trope.

deleted scene will suffice

Seriously

how about

Idris Elba and Michael Fassbender

Gumpy

I think big special effects budgets have kinda killed scifi a bit for me

Every scifi film I liked was a mixture of what they wanted to show and what they could actually build with the resources on hand, kinda made everything seem more real.

denihilist

Like what?

Prohass

I read your name as Grumpy which made that post great

Solar

Gumpy wrote:

I think big special effects budgets have kinda killed scifi a bit for me

Every scifi film I liked was a mixture of what they wanted to show and what they could actually build with the resources on hand, kinda made everything seem more real.

See once more, I am the opposite

For me, good sci-fi needs a solid storytelling core, preferably one which is quite intelligent and thought provoking, even if the thought is just "that's a cool concept." But around that, sci-fi for me is also about the visual spectacle, seeing something that makes me go "wow, that look's cool too."

It's why (well, part of why) I don't like Dr Who. The Aliens in that just look kind of silly (and I am a guy who likes Star Wars and Star Trek and the Fantastic Four comics and so on, so I have a high tolerance for silly looking aliens). I don't think they look fun or cool or exciting, for the most part.

Gumpy

Star wars is the example I always like to think about

The first three were awesome. Look at the art style of the ships, the tech, how they all fit together. If you ignore the fact that rebel troopers all have silly helmets in a new hope, its a fairly down to earth swashbuckling scifi universe.

Then the prequels come out and its all magical glowing stuff.

Show a guy a B-Wing, and he'll be like "Yup, that's a B-Wing." Show a guy a clone trooper X-wing thing and what the hell are they even called

Prohass

I think tho gritty swashbuckling and magical glowing arent indicators of quality. A film can be shiney and have amazing CG and be better than a gritty low-CG piece.

denihilist

You realize that the only Star Wars movie that had anything that approached a "small" budget was New Hope right?

Macro9

Trailer was short but it has me pretty damn hyped. I'm so glad Scott is making it. I love that dude.

Except for Robin Hood. Didn't much care for that.

Uriel

I like doctor who because it feels like the British equivalent of power rangers

denihilist

American Gangster was pretty bad too. He's turned out a lot more hits than misses though.

Gumpy

I'll admit, I'm not a film buff by any means. Like, I basically see most of the big blockbusters, but I don't dive deep into the film world. My opinions are based on a far briefer relationship with movies then probably anyone else in this thread, but I really dig props and special effects over CG. The way most of the impressive shots in Dark Knight felt, the fact that serenity had a very small CG budget and still managed to make the entire thing work. Space battle at the end of Return of the Jedi being one of my favourite things, and that's all model driven. I dig things like that.

Solar

The prequels were not bad because they look bad (apart from the lightsaber fights, they actually looked pretty good. The Lightsaber fights were pretty terrible though)

They were bad because they were bad

I mean sure, none of the space battles in the prequels measures up to the X-Men trench run. But then, that's because the X-Wing trench run was a wonderfully tense, exciting bit of storytelling which also looked cool, which they could have done with CGI in the prequels but didn't because the prequels sucked. Also because people are eager to use CGI as much as they can whereas practical effects still have them beat in many ways. But that's not something inherent to a bigger budget, just a poor film-making choice.

As for the difference between a X-Wing and a Clone Trooper proto X-Wing (which makes little sense in the background but wev), yeah the X-Wing looks better. But that's because the X-Wing is a better design, not because it was a miniature and the Clone Trooper starfighter was CGI.

The new Star Trek movie had very modern looking SFX, for example, and it looked really cool. So did Tron: Legacy.

Gumpy

denihilist wrote:

You realize that the only Star Wars movie that had anything that approached a "small" budget was New Hope right?

Well yea, but massive amounts of CG weren't around back then, so larger budgets for the other two meant more of the same kinda stuff a new hope had, instead of a lotta green screens.

Gumpy

The new star trek was awesome! But it always kind of kept its pants on in the CG department. District 9 had a lot of fantastic CG, but it was kinda supporting the rest of the movie, not driving it.

I am a film watching Neanderthal.

Munkus Beaver

I like science fiction movies to have big budgets but use primarily real things supplemented by CGI.

Fucking star wars.

denihilist

Gumpy wrote:

I'll admit, I'm not a film buff by any means. Like, I basically see most of the big blockbusters, but I don't dive deep into the film world. My opinions are based on a far briefer relationship with movies then probably anyone else in this thread, but I really dig props and special effects over CG. The way most of the impressive shots in Dark Knight felt, the fact that serenity had a very small CG budget and still managed to make the entire thing work. Space battle at the end of Return of the Jedi being one of my favourite things, and that's all model driven. I dig things like that.

Yeah, I can get behind that.

I was kind of lost because I didn't know if you were talking about Drive-In style B-Movies or what.

Heisenberg

Ridley Scott has it completely right on the dangers of CGI:

Solar

Gumpy wrote:

The new star trek was awesome! But it always kind of kept its pants on in the CG department. District 9 had a lot of fantastic CG, but it was kinda supporting the rest of the movie, not driving it.

I am a film watching Neanderthal.

Me too, I am not a big fan of the film medium overall. I am a big fan of sci-fi though so I watch a lot of sci-fi films, same as I watch a lot of Fantasy, Adventure and Superhero films.

Using CGI well is important, and combining CGI with miniatures is the best way to do SFX.

Uriel

I loooove the original trilogy.

But really that's because it's not all terrible exposition leading to boring fight scenes that look like some kinda rave dance.

Gumpy

denihilist wrote:

Gumpy wrote:

I'll admit, I'm not a film buff by any means. Like, I basically see most of the big blockbusters, but I don't dive deep into the film world. My opinions are based on a far briefer relationship with movies then probably anyone else in this thread, but I really dig props and special effects over CG. The way most of the impressive shots in Dark Knight felt, the fact that serenity had a very small CG budget and still managed to make the entire thing work. Space battle at the end of Return of the Jedi being one of my favourite things, and that's all model driven. I dig things like that.

Yeah, I can get behind that.

I was kind of lost because I didn't know if you were talking about Drive-In style B-Movies or what.

I'm only 21, those kinda things were before my time. I was raised on a diet of Star Wars, Aliens and Disney films, so my film tastes are kinda weird.

Gumpy

Ok that youtube video takes my fears and hits them right on the head.

Rock on Ridley Scott!

Quoth

I think I know what Gumpy means, he can correct me if not

But sometimes the amount of CG is distracting because it's more LOOK SPECIAL EFFECTS instead of just blending into the background and being realistic

The Star Wars prequels were like that, Lucas got so caught up with trying to fully realize his worlds that he ended up gilding the lily

denihilist

Some movies are bad, have bad plots and poor dialogue so they use effects to cover it up.

Watch more movies.

I've actually started regressing lately and pretty much only watch movies on TCM these days.

Solar

Quoth wrote:

I think I know what Gumpy means, he can correct me if not

But sometimes the amount of CG is distracting because it's more LOOK SPECIAL EFFECTS instead of just blending into the background and being realistic

The Star Wars prequels were like that, Lucas got so caught up with trying to fully realize his worlds that he ended up gilding the lily

Oh yeah I totally get that

Generally it's best to make everything you can as real as possible and then do CGI on top. In Tron: Legacy they actually made costumes with glowing piping, set up as much of the sets as they could, did all the lighting as physically as possible, and then let the CGI dudes work with what they shot. And it really shows, because it looks great.

The Star Wars Prequels do the opposite and it all looks a bit fake and plastic-y. Like when they just throw in more spaceships and lasers and explosions in the battle above Coruscant and it ends up being really difficult to focus on what is going on through all the shit flying around.

Quoth

I think part of the Star Wars problem is also that it's so busy

Everything has too many little extra details ostensibly intended to make it more real, but actually making it distracting by giving too much screen real estate to irrelevant crap

Solar

Well I think that is poor direction more than always being poor design.

I mean, the Millennium Falcon is iconic and looks great, even though when you look at it there's a lot going on with the ship and all the stuff all over it.

But it's okay, because when we see the Falcon it's in the center of the screen, and there's not too much going on other than it being there and flying around, so we focus on it and and think "yeah that's cool"

It's not like the Jedi Starfighter is any more crazy looking, but surrounded by so much shit at all times you just can't see it. Because nobody said "no, just give it some space to be in."

Macro9

Someone should post the redletter prequel reviews. He covers the ridiculous amount of stuff going on often times and how it pushes people away rather than drawing them in.

At least I remember a part like that. Might just be cwazy.

Quoth

I'm thinking Coruscant for example, yes it's a big crazy city full of things but even stuff shot in NY or Tokyo isn't so jam-packed with random little whosits and blinky lights and extras

It's like a bad acid trip

Gumpy

Yea, Quoth has it. Spend too much time trying to make things real with CGI and you get something that always seems kinda fakey. Stick some twigs on a box, give it a lick of paint and film it from the right angle and you have a darn sexy space ship.

Orikaeshigitae

it's neat how the space suits are older, bulkier versions of the suits on the nostromo

just based on that this will be good, i think