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[Starcraft2] "Zerg can't beat protoss." - Idra

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    SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    Anyone else watching EG vs OGS on the IPL Team league?

    Fin v JYP right now, pretty great game.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    kambing log on
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Variable wrote:
    dhal is it 1 gas or 2?

    edit - also it's only weaker if you only look at unit count. it's a stronger attack because it can, most likely, attack an unfortified position as well as split your natural from your main (meaning some of the enemy units from your own)

    its weaker because it doesn't have the advantage of an immediate strong frontal attack. 10-16 lings below the warp prism prevent the attack entirely.

    is it 1 gas or 2

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    Sceptre wrote: »
    Anyone else watching EG vs OGS on the IPL Team league?

    Fin v JYP right now, pretty great game.

    I am now, thanks

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    fin has been giving me hope that he's going to play a little smarter.

    I get that aggression is his style and he's great at it but it's the same thing rainbow ran into, but he refused to change... people not only learn how to react to the aggression but that know to predict it.

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Sceptre wrote:
    Anyone else watching EG vs OGS on the IPL Team league?

    Fin v JYP right now, pretty great game.

    When were these actually played, do we know? It's listed as a rebroadcast.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    KambingKambing Registered User regular
    Kambing wrote:
    Daily stream online. Playing Bastion until people log on!


    Bastion was choppy. Back to SC2 4s with Jeff, Fatal, and Callow.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Variable wrote:
    kambing log on
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Variable wrote:
    dhal is it 1 gas or 2?

    edit - also it's only weaker if you only look at unit count. it's a stronger attack because it can, most likely, attack an unfortified position as well as split your natural from your main (meaning some of the enemy units from your own)

    its weaker because it doesn't have the advantage of an immediate strong frontal attack. 10-16 lings below the warp prism prevent the attack entirely.

    is it 1 gas or 2

    1 vs Terran because you don't get any sentries, 2 vs Zerg because you do.

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    SceptreSceptre Registered User regular
    They ended about an hour ago. It works great for me because I missed the first half.

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    crucialityfactorcrucialityfactor Registered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote:
    Yeah, he's completely lost his edge. I am sure EG has noticed, it's not like he doesn't live a relatively public life as a pro. If we're seeing that the fire is out, then Scoots has to as well.

    Isn't this getting a bit dramatic?

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    GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote:
    Yeah, he's completely lost his edge. I am sure EG has noticed, it's not like he doesn't live a relatively public life as a pro. If we're seeing that the fire is out, then Scoots has to as well.

    Isn't this getting a bit dramatic?

    Not really. Have you seen him play lately? He's more famous at this point for complaining about Zerg being UP than he is for playing the game.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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    fatalspoonsfatalspoons Registered User regular
    So consider the following ethical situation.

    Some guy (whom we will name Someguy) asks another person (whom we will call UnpleasantSpoons) what league he is in.

    UnpleasantSpoons answers, "I am diamond".

    UnpleasantSpoons then waits for Someguy to leave, and then adds the qualifier, "...in 4v4 because I was carried there by 2 diamond players."

    Misleading, unethical, or totally legit?

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Variable wrote:
    kambing log on
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Variable wrote:
    dhal is it 1 gas or 2?

    edit - also it's only weaker if you only look at unit count. it's a stronger attack because it can, most likely, attack an unfortified position as well as split your natural from your main (meaning some of the enemy units from your own)

    its weaker because it doesn't have the advantage of an immediate strong frontal attack. 10-16 lings below the warp prism prevent the attack entirely.

    is it 1 gas or 2

    1 vs Terran because you don't get any sentries, 2 vs Zerg because you do.

    thanks

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    TannerMSTannerMS "I'm confidence cause I'm zerg!" Registered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote:
    GnomeTank wrote:
    Yeah, he's completely lost his edge. I am sure EG has noticed, it's not like he doesn't live a relatively public life as a pro. If we're seeing that the fire is out, then Scoots has to as well.

    Isn't this getting a bit dramatic?

    Not really. Have you seen him play lately? He's more famous at this point for complaining about Zerg being UP than he is for playing the game.

    Yeah I have, you're an idiot

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    KambingKambing Registered User regular
    So consider the following ethical situation.

    Some guy (whom we will name Someguy) asks another person (whom we will call UnpleasantSpoons) what league he is in.

    UnpleasantSpoons answers, "I am diamond".

    UnpleasantSpoons then waits for Someguy to leave, and then adds the qualifier, "...in 4v4 because I was carried there by 2 diamond players."

    Misleading, unethical, or totally legit?

    1 masters, 1 diamond, thank you very much. ^_^

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    MechMantisMechMantis Registered User regular
    I'd say a lie of omission, but the statement is absolutely true. He is, in fact, in Diamond League.

    In 4v4s.

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    redraptorredraptor Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I just found out siege tanks don't overkill, how is this permissible. You can just shift click ten different banelings with +1 tanks and they will perfectly individually target them. I can't believe how many players marine split before they do that.

    redraptor on
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    mEEksamEEksa Registered User regular
    Saw what you want about Idra, but he's still one of the best foreigner Zergs and very popular. There is no way in hell that EG would drop him, you can't pick up a player with a bigger RoI than Idra.

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    KambingKambing Registered User regular
    redraptor wrote:
    I just found out siege tanks don't overkill, how is this permissible. You can just shift click ten different banelings with +1 tanks and they will perfectly individually target them. I can't believe how many players marine split before they do that.

    The way around it as zerg is to not hotkey ling/bane separately but instead create mixed groups with patrol splitting beforehand.

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    LilnoobsLilnoobs Alpha Queue Registered User regular
    Whoa. Jyp held that nicely.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    redraptor wrote:
    I just found out siege tanks don't overkill, how is this permissible. You can just shift click ten different banelings with +1 tanks and they will perfectly individually target them. I can't believe how many players marine split before they do that.

    Yeah, the big fuss over marine splitting is actually pretty silly, because in most real game situations you will get a better result from manually targeting tanks instead and letting your marines just sit them shooting. Something a lot of Terran players don't realise is that your tanks are there to protect your marines, not the other way around - your marines are the dangerous part of your army and the part you want to be dealing damage with - the tanks are just there to keep banelings and infestors from rolling your marines completely.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    So consider the following ethical situation.

    Some guy (whom we will name Someguy) asks another person (whom we will call UnpleasantSpoons) what league he is in.

    UnpleasantSpoons answers, "I am diamond".

    UnpleasantSpoons then waits for Someguy to leave, and then adds the qualifier, "...in 4v4 because I was carried there by 2 diamond players."

    Misleading, unethical, or totally legit?

    I don't even know why people ask your league. Its quicker to just leave and look at the score screen afterwards anyway, and the score screen won't potentially lie.

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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    redraptor wrote:
    I just found out siege tanks don't overkill, how is this permissible. You can just shift click ten different banelings with +1 tanks and they will perfectly individually target them. I can't believe how many players marine split before they do that.

    Yeah, the big fuss over marine splitting is actually pretty silly, because in most real game situations you will get a better result from manually targeting tanks instead and letting your marines just sit them shooting. Something a lot of Terran players don't realise is that your tanks are there to protect your marines, not the other way around - your marines are the dangerous part of your army and the part you want to be dealing damage with - the tanks are just there to keep banelings and infestors from rolling your marines completely.

    people do both

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    LilnoobsLilnoobs Alpha Queue Registered User regular
    lol "really strong bio play"

    all fin did was make medivacs and 1atttt

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    hlprmnkyhlprmnky Registered User regular
    Kambing, Jeff, Spoons - thanks so much for the 4s games. I had a lot of fun, and I learned that I can be at least somewhat useful in 4s playing Zerg. Woop!

    I also lost a 1v1 I could easily have won had I not been tipsy and sleepy and floated 2k minerals all game. But I was a slave to THE HUNGER, what can I say? T_T

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Variable wrote:
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    redraptor wrote:
    I just found out siege tanks don't overkill, how is this permissible. You can just shift click ten different banelings with +1 tanks and they will perfectly individually target them. I can't believe how many players marine split before they do that.

    Yeah, the big fuss over marine splitting is actually pretty silly, because in most real game situations you will get a better result from manually targeting tanks instead and letting your marines just sit them shooting. Something a lot of Terran players don't realise is that your tanks are there to protect your marines, not the other way around - your marines are the dangerous part of your army and the part you want to be dealing damage with - the tanks are just there to keep banelings and infestors from rolling your marines completely.

    people do both

    A lot of people split first and focus fire second, which is backwards in terms of what you're going to get out of it.

    Marine splitting looks a lot fancier but isn't as effective in a battle as focus firing tanks is.

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    fatalspoonsfatalspoons Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Kambing wrote:
    So consider the following ethical situation.

    Some guy (whom we will name Someguy) asks another person (whom we will call UnpleasantSpoons) what league he is in.

    UnpleasantSpoons answers, "I am diamond".

    UnpleasantSpoons then waits for Someguy to leave, and then adds the qualifier, "...in 4v4 because I was carried there by 2 diamond players."

    Misleading, unethical, or totally legit?

    1 masters, 1 diamond, thank you very much. ^_^

    sorry kambing. Didn't realize Callow was masters. :-P

    fatalspoons on
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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    kambing is copper league

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    SaarutoSaaruto Registered User regular
    Ladder rankings will soon be meaningless thanks to PA-GSL aka CSL Code S

    If you can chill, chill.
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    LilnoobsLilnoobs Alpha Queue Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    A bit of cross pollinating here, but day[9] doing a Kingdoms of Amalur stream on Feb. 7th (much like that skyrim thing) with prizes and other SC2 streamers.

    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308033

    Lilnoobs on
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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    I think mvp is out tonight. gumiho and the zerg are my picks.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    so is this PA GSL league thing actually moving forward or is it still in the "random people throwing in opinions" stage?

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    SaarutoSaaruto Registered User regular
    I say we get a pool of players, grab the top 4 (or however many) PA players and do group selections on Mumble, then go from there.

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    mEEksamEEksa Registered User regular
    Right now we're in the 'gauging interest' phase. Invictus said he is willing to move forward with it once he knows how many people want to sign-up for it.

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    815165815165 Registered User regular
    I wish more terrans would pre-split their marines when they push out.

    It's so easy and makes a huge difference.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Pre splitting can only really be done when you are entrenching in an attack position. Marines clump too readily to be able to do it while moving.

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    815165815165 Registered User regular
    yeah i mean when they park at the edge of your creep

    pre split, motherfuckers

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Medivacs should be able to pick up enemy units so I can use them offensively

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    TrunkersTrunkers Registered User regular
    Just curious, does anyone ever go Phoenix, Mothership, Observer in PvP? I feel like your opponent not being able to see your army could render some advantage. Also it's less tech-intensive than DT-oberver-Phoenix.

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    RofflorRofflor Adventurer Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I have lost to that once. We went up to 4 bases each, then he got observer speed and chased my map observers down with phoenix.
    When he later engaged me he vortexed the area with my observer, and the few seconds I was without detection, everything died.

    So silly..

    Rofflor on
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    VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    that was pretty slick by gumiho

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