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[PATV] Checkpoint: Season 1, Ep. 36 - Exhausted Fantasy

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  • KorlashKorlash Registered User
    Haha, they're gonna get hatemail for that.

    What about VI? I played it for the first time when I was 20 or so. Seems like it's still good.

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    Official forum policy is that VIII is objectively the best Final Fantasy game.

  • Human_QuirkHuman_Quirk Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Registered to voice how happy I am that someone finally said this about FFVII. The game might have been good in it's time, but nowadays it's overrated horribly...

    I guess when it comes to FF games, nostalgia is a huge factor. The first one I've ever played was IX, and I think it's the best of the entire series. It had this thick fable-like, oniric atmosphere that no other game could achieve. It doesn't even need a remake, since it had the best graphics the original PSX could offer.

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  • FalxFalx Registered User regular
    Wow. Took some balls, dude! Well done!

    I utterly lost it at the line about Chocobos.

  • The Good Doctor TranThe Good Doctor Tran Registered User regular
    I shudder to admit to possessing this knowledge but...

    They did remake Dragonball Z, Graham.

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  • FalxFalx Registered User regular
    That's not a remake, though. It's literally the old series with the sound cleaned up and the art being given the most basic of beauty treatments while also cutting out all the pointless filler like screaming and charging attacks for multiple episodes. It's still something that's only really good when you see it the first time as a teenager.

    A remake would be the new Evangelion movies. And in this case they really are a million times better than the series.

  • GrahamSGrahamS Registered User, Contributor regular
    OH MAN the Evangelion remake movies are fantastic.
    Shinji actually comes across as sympathetic, not an annoying whiner!

  • FalxFalx Registered User regular
    I know right? I don't know what medicine they gave Hideaki Anno to get him out of his "If I'm not happy, nobody deserves to be" depression but it damn sure did the trick.

    The last few minutes of 2.0 totally justified my buying a PS3 solely for the Blu-Ray player.

    3.0 and Big Bossuka can't come soon enough.

  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 Registered User regular
    GrahamS wrote: »
    OH MAN the Evangelion remake movies are fantastic.
    Shinji actually comes across as sympathetic, not an annoying whiner!

    really? I should pop that in tonight, as it's been sitting around since I bought it during christmas shopping.

  • jackaljackal Registered User regular
    Somehow at the time having to get a golden chocobo to get KotR (or whatever it was called) seemed perfectly reasonable. I would like to say it was because I was young, but I was 17, and should have known better.

  • FalxFalx Registered User regular
    GrahamS wrote: »
    OH MAN the Evangelion remake movies are fantastic.
    Shinji actually comes across as sympathetic, not an annoying whiner!

    really? I should pop that in tonight, as it's been sitting around since I bought it during christmas shopping.

    You won't regret it.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    that seems a little off point since chocobo sex wasn't require at all to beat the game or anything, just to do 1 extra zone.

    how is it any different than dodging lightning one hundred fucking times in a row?

  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel Shiftless laybaout DenmarkRegistered User regular
    A thousand years from now, this thread and the holocaust is everything anyone is going to know about the last two hundred years. That's how much grief is going to come from this.

    Fuck off and die.
  • AurichAurich Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Registered to voice how happy I am that someone finally said this about FFVII. The game might have been good in it's time, but nowadays it's overrated horribly...

    Usually only see these on new PA comics. Grats Checkpoint!

    PS: Falx, I just stole your user icon.

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  • AshokaAshoka A Hub subforum that works? Registered User
    I want a girl who makes a face like that when talking about spiders.

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  • GrahamSGrahamS Registered User, Contributor regular
    Jars wrote:
    that seems a little off point since chocobo sex wasn't require at all to beat the game or anything, just to do 1 extra zone.
    Blitzball wasn't required either, hence my comparison. Blitzball > Chocobo Husbandry.

  • FalxFalx Registered User regular
    Aurich wrote:
    Registered to voice how happy I am that someone finally said this about FFVII. The game might have been good in it's time, but nowadays it's overrated horribly...

    Usually only see these on new PA comics. Grats Checkpoint!

    PS: Falx, I just stole your user icon.

    No probs, stole it myself.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    ah yeah I was talking about how in FFX to get lulu's ultimate sigil you had to go to the thunder plains and dodge lightning 200 consecutive times. I should not have assumed everyone knew about it.

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  • jackaljackal Registered User regular
    I know you don't need to get KotR to beat the game, but it seems like the most powerful spell for a character should be a roughly one hour side quest not eight hours of grinding animal breeding.

  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    These are really good. As in, Checkpoint(s).

    You seem to have hit your stride, and are now running briskly, yet easily to the front of the pack, ready to win the marathon in record time.

    Blonde Kathleen is just as cute as ever.

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    jackal wrote: »
    I know you don't need to get KotR to beat the game, but it seems like the most powerful spell for a character should be a roughly one hour side quest not eight hours of grinding animal breeding.

    You can get Knight of the Round materia in the casino. In the battle pit, specifically. Beat everything. Get paid. Wreck face.

    Having said that, I've never even seen KotR. Maybe I should look it up on Youtube?

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  • Black_HeartBlack_Heart Registered User regular
    Calling a game overrated is actually irrelevant to the game itself but a commentary on the community's reaction to it.

    Pretty much every complaint they levied at FF7 can be said of every other FF game. Except the barbell arms thing, but every early PSX JRPG was experimenting with how to model characters in 3-D since they didn't have the knowledge to make something that looked realistic.

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  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    Calling a game overrated is actually irrelevant to the game itself but a commentary on the community's reaction to it.

    Pretty much every complaint they levied at FF7 can be said of every other FF game. Except the barbell arms thing, but every early PSX JRPG was experimenting with how to model characters in 3-D since they didn't have the knowledge to make something that looked realistic.

    It's not about knowledge. With the hardware in the PSX, it simply wasn't possible to make realistic-looking human characters.
    The barbell arms was a design choice.

  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 Registered User regular
    Ivar wrote: »
    Calling a game overrated is actually irrelevant to the game itself but a commentary on the community's reaction to it.

    Pretty much every complaint they levied at FF7 can be said of every other FF game. Except the barbell arms thing, but every early PSX JRPG was experimenting with how to model characters in 3-D since they didn't have the knowledge to make something that looked realistic.

    It's not about knowledge. With the hardware in the PSX, it simply wasn't possible to make realistic-looking human characters.
    The barbell arms was a design choice.

    Maybe?
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    All I'm saying is perhaps they could have tried a little harder.

    (P.S. screenshot from Parasite Eve of PSX)

  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    Ivar wrote: »
    Calling a game overrated is actually irrelevant to the game itself but a commentary on the community's reaction to it.

    Pretty much every complaint they levied at FF7 can be said of every other FF game. Except the barbell arms thing, but every early PSX JRPG was experimenting with how to model characters in 3-D since they didn't have the knowledge to make something that looked realistic.

    It's not about knowledge. With the hardware in the PSX, it simply wasn't possible to make realistic-looking human characters.
    The barbell arms was a design choice.

    Maybe?
    Parasite%2BEve%2BPS1%2B3.jpg

    All I'm saying is perhaps they could have tried a little harder.

    (P.S. screenshot from Parasite Eve of PSX)

    That's definitely more realistic-looking, but still a bit clunky.

  • Black_HeartBlack_Heart Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Ivar wrote:
    That's definitely more realistic-looking, but still a bit clunky.

    Agreed.

    I love Parasite Eve, but the character models in it were very stiff, poorly animated, and felt more like mannequins than anything else, even though it came out full year after FF7. FF7's models, while being "chibi-fied", allowed for better animations, movement, and body language.

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    Also, I can't believe how good the in-battle character models looked for that time period. This was a time when all other JRPGs were still using sprites, the only other game around that time that dared to use 3-D models was Wild Arms and it went the "chibi" route as well.

    Also... while I agree that FF7's plot was very lackluster and generic in many areas, I feel that many of FF7's merits come from its technological achievements. The tech leap from FF6 to FF7 is astounding, prerendered backgrounds, stunning FMV sequences, completely 3D battle sequences and character models, tons of 3D minigames that could have been complete games in their own right, a 3D world map. FF7 did technologically, what no other RPG did before it and I think that helped to really push the immersion and "wow" factor which made the game a hallmark of JRPGs.

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  • BrewBrew Registered User regular
    No one seems to realize this but it was the music that made FF7 so special.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray the swamp, always the swampRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Ivar wrote:
    That's definitely more realistic-looking, but still a bit clunky.

    Agreed.

    I love Parasite Eve, but the character models in it were very stiff, poorly animated, and felt more like mannequins than anything else, even though it came out full year after FF7. FF7's models, while being "chibi-fied", allowed for better animations, movement, and body language.

    [IMG]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/Jashinslayer/chars6bn.png Also, I can't believe how good the in-battle character models looked for that time period. This was a time when all other JRPGs were still using sprites, the only other game around that time that dared to use 3-D models was Wild Arms and it went the "chibi" route as well. Also... while I agree that FF7's plot was very lackluster and generic in many areas, I feel that many of FF7's merits come from its technological achievements. The tech leap from FF6 to FF7 is astounding, prerendered backgrounds, stunning FMV sequences, completely 3D battle sequences and character models, tons of 3D minigames that could have been complete games in their own right, a 3D world map. FF7 did technologically, what no other RPG did before it and I think that helped to really push the immersion and "wow" factor which made the game a hallmark of JRPGs.

    And these are all valid reason to not want a remake of FF7. It was impressive for it's time, now it would just be a boring, dorky fantasy game with combat and mini-games we've seen countless times before. If Square wants to catch the FF7 magic they should aspire to be as creative and willing to spend $Texas as they were when they were developing FF7 and create a new game that completely blows modern RPGs out of the water.

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  • Black_HeartBlack_Heart Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Aldo wrote:
    And these are all valid reason to not want a remake of FF7. It was impressive for it's time, now it would just be a boring, dorky fantasy game with combat and mini-games we've seen countless times before.

    True, but you would still have millions of fans buying it because of their love and nostalgia for it.
    Aldo wrote:
    If Square wants to catch the FF7 magic they should aspire to be as creative and willing to spend $Texas as they were when they were developing FF7 and create a new game that completely blows modern RPGs out of the water.

    I agree.
    I think this could be done using the FF7 world and characters though, with lots of money put behind it (which companies don't like doing).

    To go off on a tangent/rant about the Final Fantasy series development however....
    Spoiler:

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  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 Registered User regular
    Brew wrote: »
    No one seems to realize this but it was the music that made FF7 so special.

    okay, I have to agree with this statement. I still find myself humming or whistling some of the tunes from the game, from time to time.

  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Gingerbread MuffinsRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Man, I hate folks telling me I only love FFVII through nostalgia. I played it last year, loved it as much as I always did. I had more fun playing FFVII for the fifth time than I did playing FFXIII for the first.

    I mean, I'm not clamoring for a remake, but please don't act like it's not "worth it" or something. I know the fanbase takes it way too far in praising it, but it's still absolutely my favourite RPG, and somewhere in my top 10 list.

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  • chaos42chaos42 Registered User new member
    Im with you on that. Im not say they must i think they should and there is money in it but im not going to force the issue. Also the other major mistake their making is that their not making improvements to the games as they go. A good example is this up coming ffx remake. The first thing they should do is fix the games problems -a good example is the chocobo race-its stupied and wastes a lot of time to get a weapon unlock-second the controls for blitz ball also confusing hard to use need fixing. Another good idea would be to make that whole relationship optional event actually mean something-many of you might remember that you have options to basic romance Lulu, Riku or Yuna but in the end it doesn't do much or change the romance of the game-DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. in general if they fix these problems and a lot of others maybe it will be better. BUT don't count on it.

  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    chaos42 wrote:
    Im with you on that. Im not say they must i think they should and there is money in it but im not going to force the issue. Also the other major mistake their making is that their not making improvements to the games as they go. A good example is this up coming ffx remake. The first thing they should do is fix the games problems -a good example is the chocobo race-its stupied and wastes a lot of time to get a weapon unlock-second the controls for blitz ball also confusing hard to use need fixing. Another good idea would be to make that whole relationship optional event actually mean something-many of you might remember that you have options to basic romance Lulu, Riku or Yuna but in the end it doesn't do much or change the romance of the game-DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. in general if they fix these problems and a lot of others maybe it will be better. BUT don't count on it.

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  • EncEnc FloridaRegistered User regular
    Brew wrote: »
    No one seems to realize this but it was the music that made FF7 so special.

    okay, I have to agree with this statement. I still find myself humming or whistling some of the tunes from the game, from time to time.

    Music and atmosphere, definitely. The plot had a lot of holes in it, sure. But as an environment you remember Midgar, you remember Cosmo Canyon, you know what Shin-Ra, Soldier, and Avalanche mean and hey resonated. It was solidly crafted and designed, even if the writing wasn't really the best.

    But then, look at any of the FF games. The writing is not great in any of them. Character designs, music, atmosphere are always over the top and enjoyable, but all of the games have at least one fairly wonky plot hole that could have easily been written differently to make things more cohesive.

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  • IlyonIlyon Registered User
    Brew wrote:
    No one seems to realize this but it was the music that made FF7 so special.
    I respectfully disagree that anything made FF7 special

  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    Ilyon wrote:
    Brew wrote:
    No one seems to realize this but it was the music that made FF7 so special.
    I respectfully disagree that anything made FF7 special

    Are you saying that making chocobos fuck is a normal thing you can do in lots of games? :P

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