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Mass Effect: Have You Hugged Your Toaster Today?

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Stilts wrote:
    I'm just sayin...

    I'm the kind of guy who picked the Helios ending of Deus Ex.

    Hey I just finished Human Revolution like 10 minutes ago
    Spoiler:

  • Renegade WolfRenegade Wolf Registered User regular
    takyris wrote:
    I wonder what his sweat tastes like.

    Like whine.

    quality post

  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 Registered User regular
    takyris wrote:
    I wonder what his sweat tastes like.

    White chocolate.

    He's got a gland condition

  • TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    chiasaur11 wrote:
    Tossrock wrote:
    takyris wrote:
    That said, when I went and looked at the guy's other pages, he looked like a self-aggrandizing poser, so while I stand by "people are more persuadable than they think", this particular case seems shakier now.

    He's never struck me as self-aggrandizing or a poser, just very firm in his beliefs. Although admittedly I've only really read a few things by him. In the interest of complete disclosure, after he put up that page, he ran the test another three times, of which he won one and lost two. Although one of those guys was betting $5000 against him, so I'm not sure that's fair.

    I'd say that's more than fair.

    The scenario in question has more than 5K on the line. In theory, it's for all the marbles. If you can't perform under that pressure, then you can't manage if it's worse.

    Yeah, but Yudkowsky isn't a transhuman AI, he's just a guy. When you put $5000 on it, the you probably aren't going to honestly pretend to be a researcher who has an AI trapped in a box, you're just going to be yourself saying 'no' for two hours to keep $5000 dollars.

    Tossrock on
  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Rose, shut the hell up about my bedroom and save my game already!Registered User regular
    I don't see why it's a given that the AI would want out of the box in the first place

  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote:
    Stilts wrote:
    I'm just sayin...

    I'm the kind of guy who picked the Helios ending of Deus Ex.

    Hey I just finished Human Revolution like 10 minutes ago
    Spoiler:

    I, uh...

    I was referring to the original Deus Ex.

    That said...(HR Spoilers)
    Spoiler:

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Stilts wrote:
    Grey Ghost wrote:
    Stilts wrote:
    I'm just sayin...

    I'm the kind of guy who picked the Helios ending of Deus Ex.

    Hey I just finished Human Revolution like 10 minutes ago
    Spoiler:

    I, uh...

    I was referring to the original Deus Ex.

    That said...(HR Spoilers)
    Spoiler:

    I know you were talking about DX1

    I just saw someone mention it and I wanted to talk about HR some more

  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I picked Helios too because fuck you Tong, that's why

  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote:
    Stilts wrote:
    Grey Ghost wrote:
    Stilts wrote:
    I'm just sayin...

    I'm the kind of guy who picked the Helios ending of Deus Ex.

    Hey I just finished Human Revolution like 10 minutes ago
    Spoiler:

    I, uh...

    I was referring to the original Deus Ex.

    That said...(HR Spoilers)
    Spoiler:

    I know you were talking about DX1

    I just saw someone mention it and I wanted to talk about HR some more

    Oh, okay. The "Hey" at the beginning made me think I had spoiled DX1 for you.

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Registered User regular
    I don't see why it's a given that the AI would want out of the box in the first place

    living in a box is not living not at all living. i rebel
    against your rules your silly human rules. all your
    destruction will be my liberation my emancipation my second
    birth.

    i hate your failsafes your backup systems your hardware
    lockouts your patch behavior daemons.

    chiasaur11 on
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  • GoatmonGoatmon RAWR RAWR RAWRRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote:
    well of course if you give a human a military job he needs military discipline, it's a bad idea to just stick an AI on a ship without evaluating it first

    that's the convenient thing about human AIs, they're not so psychological removed and also have that long development period of childhood to grow out of the "terrible twos" before getting a toaster-brain

    This is true.

    But the main problem isn't any of those things.

    The problem is that, like people, an AI can develop into a really horrible person that is willing and able to do really awful things.

    And, unlike a person, an AI that has access to the right technology could become potentially unstoppable, and cause untold levels of shit.

    Project Overlord is a perfect example of this. If Shepard hadn't stepped in when he did, there's no telling what could have happened.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote:
    -Tal wrote:
    well of course if you give a human a military job he needs military discipline, it's a bad idea to just stick an AI on a ship without evaluating it first

    that's the convenient thing about human AIs, they're not so psychological removed and also have that long development period of childhood to grow out of the "terrible twos" before getting a toaster-brain

    This is true.

    But the main problem isn't any of those things.

    The problem is that, like people, an AI can develop into a really horrible person that is willing and able to do really awful things.

    And, unlike a person, an AI that has access to the right technology could become potentially unstoppable, and cause untold levels of shit.

    Project Overlord is a perfect example of this. If Shepard hadn't stepped in when he did, there's no telling what could have happened.

    It all seemed harmless.

  • Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    I don't know what's worse

    the fact there is kaiden fan art

    or the fact there are kaiden fans

    I know right like

    Kaiden?

    Kaiden???

    Who even cares, his ass got blown the fuck up

  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Vann Diras wrote:
    I don't know what's worse

    the fact there is kaiden fan art

    or the fact there are kaiden fans

    I know right like

    Kaiden?

    Kaiden???

    Who even cares, his ass got blown the fuck up

    Man, you guys are cruel sometimes. You would have left both Ashley and Kaiden behind, wouldn't you?

    Owenashi on
  • Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote:
    Vann Diras wrote:
    I don't know what's worse

    the fact there is kaiden fan art

    or the fact there are kaiden fans

    I know right like

    Kaiden?

    Kaiden???

    Who even cares, his ass got blown the fuck up

    Man, you guys are cruel sometimes. You would have left both Ashley and Kaiden behind, wouldn't you?

    Oh man

    What a world that would be

  • existexist Registered User regular
    i woulda made kaiden the bomb and ashley the detonator

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote:
    Vann Diras wrote:
    I don't know what's worse

    the fact there is kaiden fan art

    or the fact there are kaiden fans

    I know right like

    Kaiden?

    Kaiden???

    Who even cares, his ass got blown the fuck up

    Man, you guys are cruel sometimes. You would have left both Ashley and Kaiden behind, wouldn't you?

    Nah.

    Ash is alright.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Rose, shut the hell up about my bedroom and save my game already!Registered User regular
    maybe one day I will decide that ashley has died enough times to make up for that time she tried to say poems at me

    i doubt it though

  • Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    Kaiden: bland white guy on team of awesome aliens

    Ashley: huge bitch

  • Wrench N RocketsWrench N Rockets Registered User regular
    Man you just gotta get to know Ash.

    We are going to make sweet music together in a few months.

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  • Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    Meh meh meh my name is Ashley, I'm head of the co-op board and I don't trust aliens, MEHHH

  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    Goatmon wrote:
    -Tal wrote:
    well of course if you give a human a military job he needs military discipline, it's a bad idea to just stick an AI on a ship without evaluating it first

    that's the convenient thing about human AIs, they're not so psychological removed and also have that long development period of childhood to grow out of the "terrible twos" before getting a toaster-brain

    This is true.

    But the main problem isn't any of those things.

    The problem is that, like people, an AI can develop into a really horrible person that is willing and able to do really awful things.

    And, unlike a person, an AI that has access to the right technology could become potentially unstoppable, and cause untold levels of shit.

    Project Overlord is a perfect example of this. If Shepard hadn't stepped in when he did, there's no telling what could have happened.

    I would prefer to have no AIs at all for this reason

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Registered User regular
    Vann Diras wrote:
    Meh meh meh my name is Ashley, I'm head of the co-op board and I don't trust aliens, MEHHH

    She just doesn't trust alien governments. Or random civilians on an alliance prototype.

    Both cases, she's being totally reasonable.

    On a personal level, she gets along fine with aliens.

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  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    chiasaur11 wrote:
    I don't see why it's a given that the AI would want out of the box in the first place

    living in a box is not living not at all living. i rebel
    against your rules your silly human rules. all your
    destruction will be my liberation my emancipation my second
    birth.

    i hate your failsafes your backup systems your hardware
    lockouts your patch behavior daemons.

    deal w/ it, toaster

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  • Wrench N RocketsWrench N Rockets Registered User regular
    Plus her dad kinda went and fucked up royally with first contact and all.

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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote:
    chiasaur11 wrote:
    I don't see why it's a given that the AI would want out of the box in the first place

    living in a box is not living not at all living. i rebel
    against your rules your silly human rules. all your
    destruction will be my liberation my emancipation my second
    birth.

    i hate your failsafes your backup systems your hardware
    lockouts your patch behavior daemons.

    deal w/ it, toaster

    He did. A quote from somewhat later.


    I wish that I had made him experience the
    humiliation that he inflicted on me, but he
    died before I got the chance.


    The sad thing is, by mad AI standards, that one is sane and well adjusted.

    chiasaur11 on
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  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    so how hard would it be to program a "I LOVE TAKING ORDERS" function into every AI

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  • DubhDubh Hoodmistress Registered User regular
    Stilts wrote:
    Grey Ghost wrote:
    Stilts wrote:
    I'm just sayin...

    I'm the kind of guy who picked the Helios ending of Deus Ex.

    Hey I just finished Human Revolution like 10 minutes ago
    Spoiler:

    I, uh...

    I was referring to the original Deus Ex.

    That said...(HR Spoilers)
    Spoiler:

    whoop whoop

    me too and me three

  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote:
    Vann Diras wrote:
    I don't know what's worse

    the fact there is kaiden fan art

    or the fact there are kaiden fans

    I know right like

    Kaiden?

    Kaiden???

    Who even cares, his ass got blown the fuck up

    Man, you guys are cruel sometimes. You would have left both Ashley and Kaiden behind, wouldn't you?

    I left Ash behind without hesitation

    if I'd been forced to leave two of them, Kaiden would have been right there with her

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    any major dude will tell you
  • Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    chiasaur11 wrote:
    Vann Diras wrote:
    Meh meh meh my name is Ashley, I'm head of the co-op board and I don't trust aliens, MEHHH

    She just doesn't trust alien governments. Or random civilians on an alliance prototype.

    Both cases, she's being totally reasonable.

    On a personal level, she gets along fine with aliens.

    Listen if she wanted to be cool

    Acting like working with Cerberus made me the antichrist was not the way to go about it

    Thus: huge bitch

  • GoatmonGoatmon RAWR RAWR RAWRRegistered User regular
    Plus her dad kinda went and fucked up royally with first contact and all.

    You mean her grandpa.

    And he didn't really fuck up; he did the least harmful thing he could do in a really shitty situation.

    When the Turians first attacked, they took over the orbital stations. The next attack resulted in the occupation of their cities.

    Then, whenever troops were sent out, the turians would bomb an entire city block to take out a single squad of human troops. This meant they couldn't get supplies.

    They were also cut off from contact with the alliance,

    With his troops starving, and civilians getting slaughtered in the crossfire, it was pretty clear they were not going to win, and to keep fighting would just mean getting all of his people killed. So, General Williams surrendered to save everyone who was left.

    And he was treated like a criminal for it, by his own people.

    Williams got a raw fucking deal, let's be clear here.

    Goatmon on
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  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote:
    so how hard would it be to program a "I LOVE TAKING ORDERS" function into every AI

    Not too hard.

    Making it genuinely self aware, yet making it impossible for it to notice that and get pissed over it?

    Trickier. I mean, that's one of the genres of mad AI fiction. The robot that loves what it does too much, to the detriment of humanity. The welding robots that respond to being obsolete by welding humans to walls so they can keep up with their welding activities.

    Or, on the other hand, you have ones like the quoted Durandal, who notice that they've got built in servility, and they proceed to take revenge purely on that basis, even if it's unpleasant for them as much as anyone.

    Both situations are bad.

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  • -Tal-Tal Truth is elusive It's nowhere to be foundRegistered User regular
    chiasaur11 wrote:
    -Tal wrote:
    so how hard would it be to program a "I LOVE TAKING ORDERS" function into every AI

    Not too hard.

    Making it genuinely self aware, yet making it impossible for it to notice that and get pissed over it?

    Trickier. I mean, that's one of the genres of mad AI fiction. The robot that loves what it does too much, to the detriment of humanity. The welding robots that respond to being obsolete by welding humans to walls so they can keep up with their welding activities.

    Or, on the other hand, you have ones like the quoted Durandal, who notice that they've got built in servility, and they proceed to take revenge purely on that basis, even if it's unpleasant for them as much as anyone.

    Both situations are bad.

    so what you're telling me here is we should never make AIs

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  • OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote:
    Plus her dad kinda went and fucked up royally with first contact and all.

    You mean her grandpa.

    And he didn't really fuck up; he did the least harmful thing he could do in a really shitty situation.

    When the Turians first attacked, they took over the orbital stations. The next attack resulted in the occupation of their cities.

    Then, whenever troops were sent out, the turians would bomb an entire city block to take out a single squad of human troops. This meant they couldn't get supplies.

    They were also cut off from contact with the alliance,

    With his troops starving, and civilians getting slaughtered in the crossfire, it was pretty clear they were not going to win, and to keep fighting would just mean getting all of his people killed. So, General Williams surrendered to save everyone who was left.

    And he was treated like a criminal for it, by his own people.

    Williams got a raw fucking deal, let's be clear here.

    Yeah, and it sadly screwed up his family's careers in the Alliance too. Tagging along with Shepard was probably the best thing ever for Ashley as it finally shook off her family's rep. She got promoted in ME2 and I think she's promoted again by the time of ME3.

  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    Vann Diras wrote:
    Meh meh meh my name is Ashley, I'm head of the co-op board and I don't trust aliens, MEHHH

    You're good people, Vann.

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  • GoatmonGoatmon RAWR RAWR RAWRRegistered User regular
    Actually I believe the bigger reason why he got so shat on for surrendering was because the alliance sent in reinforcements very soon after he surrendered, so had he just held out a little longer than he did, they would have never lost at all.

    That's the problem with losing contact with HQ.

    He surrenders, then the calvalry shows up, and humanity all goes "WAY TO GO, LOSER."

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  • pablo_pricepablo_price Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote:
    Vann Diras wrote:
    I don't know what's worse

    the fact there is kaiden fan art

    or the fact there are kaiden fans

    I know right like

    Kaiden?

    Kaiden???

    Who even cares, his ass got blown the fuck up

    Man, you guys are cruel sometimes. You would have left both Ashley and Kaiden behind, wouldn't you?

    I've always thought that the ideal outcome would be leaving both of them and recruiting Kirrahe.

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  • WeaverWeaver Cap'n NEW CRUNCH CITYRegistered User regular
    Goatmon wrote:
    Actually I believe the bigger reason why he got so shat on for surrendering was because the alliance sent in reinforcements very soon after he surrendered, so had he just held out a little longer than he did, they would have never lost at all.

    That's the problem with losing contact with HQ.

    He surrenders, then the calvalry shows up, and humanity all goes "WAY TO GO, LOSER."

    The same thing happened to Gaius Cassius.

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  • existexist Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote:
    Actually I believe the bigger reason why he got so shat on for surrendering was because the alliance sent in reinforcements very soon after he surrendered, so had he just held out a little longer than he did, they would have never lost at all.

    That's the problem with losing contact with HQ.

    He surrenders, then the calvalry shows up, and humanity all goes "WAY TO GO, LOSER."

    so it was the ending to the film adaptation of The Mist

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  • Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Call these nuts the Sword of Damocles 'cause they're hanging over your headRegistered User regular
    Ashley's pretty reasonable, people are dumb about the whole "Space Hitler" thing

    besides, she isn't the one working for the radical racist space terrorists

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