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My Impotent Ghost (1442 words)

MagellMagell Registered User regular
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  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    The details in this story are fun but it just doesn't go anywhere. I'm not sure how best to fix it, though. Maybe take the story and actually show it happening instead of having it be an anecdote? You don't want to do any of the obvious twists but at the same time you need something more. I guess brainstorm a little a see what you can come up with. Good luck.

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  • MagellMagell Registered User regular
    I can see adding some on to the ending, because it is pretty flat. I think I got lazy after finishing the joke.

    Would it be fair to say that the middle of the story needs a little more humor in it as well? I think I relied too much on the punchline at the end.

    Thanks for the feedback.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I think the lack of humor is less a problem than the comparatively weak narration. The actual story is interesting in terms of what happened to Dave, and the writing itself isn't bad (though the actual dialogue the narrator uses seems a little awkward), but the manner in which you tell the story necessarily removes a lot of the impact and drives a wedge between the reader and the story. Reading a story about a guy telling a story is less intimate than just reading the story itself, especially when we're told ahead of time the story isn't true.

    In the end, the only real point is to investigate why this guy is telling the story he is, and "he's just messing with the customer" isn't really compelling. I would be more interested in just reading a straight telling of what happened to Dave than in reading the imaginary tale of what happened to someone who maybe doesn't even exist, as told by a bored convenience store clerk.

    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • MagellMagell Registered User regular
    Alright I'll give it a rewrite that way. I got too enamored with the beginning because some old lady actually asked me that at work.

  • QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    You could still frame it if you wanted to, but you'd need a more compelling ending, I think. Not a moral per se, but like Jeffe said, something more than just messing with the lady. But try writing it the other way and see what happens. You can always change it again later.

    “Hic non defectus est, sed cattus minxit desuper nocte quadam. Confundatur pessimus cattus qui minxit super librum istum in nocte Daventrie, et consimiliter omnes alii propter illum. Et cavendum valde ne permittantur libri aperti per noctem ubi cattie venire possunt.”
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  • EncEnc FloridaRegistered User regular
    Things I thought while reading this:
    1) If it's about ghosts in the cooler, why didn't he die in the cooler instead of he baler (which is outside and unrelated)?
    2) Deli guy needs a name
    3) Ending is flat for the amount of build up.

    A chiller story like this (pun on the chiller there, heh!) should have a twist ending as the grand finale. Something to have that "OH MY GOSH" jumping/chilling/screaming at the end of the campfire story moment. I'd remove the parts about him making the story up, maybe let the reader assume that he is.

    The Goosebumps(TM) way would be to make it double chilly by having the ending suggest it is true, with the narrator possibly being a murderer (gasp!) or, better yet, the ghost of dead Dave. He walks back into the cooler and the Deli guy walks up and:

    "Can I help you folks?"
    /jumps "OH, no. Whew. No Dave's helping us."
    "here must be some mistake, Dave froze himself to death in that freezer six months ago."

    etc etc. Not necessarily what is right for your story, but the expectations of the genre generally follow some sort of twist to make reading the ghost story meaningful. It's a lot like a punchline of a joke, but the chill factor is the payoff for reading the story and you just don't have that here yet.

    Enc on
    "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
    — Robert Heinlein
  • GotrM15GotrM15 Registered User
    If I were you, I'd drop the dialogue telling of the story, and go for a "dip, emerge" approach: tell the story in the story as prose, not dialogue, most of the time, but then pull out (emerge) and let us see the narrator winking at the lady, or whatever. (I made up that term, but you get what I'm saying.)

    This story could probably stand to be a bit longer, too. It doesn't need to be all that long, but if you don't give us more insight into these characters: why is Dave continually putting off this wedding, any-how? who is Charelene to him? And, as mentioned above, why is the narrator making up this story anyway? I don't need their whole life story, but just a little more depth and detail would make this story go from "meh" to very compelling.

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    Scholar by day, rogue by night.
    "If all I ever got was one shot, I'd still never blame fate."
  • MagellMagell Registered User regular
    I have incorporated many of the suggestions into the new version of the story. If you could give me some more opinions I'd appreciate it. Sorry it took me so long to rewrite it, I'm quite lazy.

  • GotrM15GotrM15 Registered User
    Ooh, I like it! My only major complaints now: I still don't feel at all connected with the narrator (though you did a good job with Charelene and Dave), and "had intimate knowledge of each other" is just a phrase you shouldn't use xD I know he's talking to an old woman, so he can't just come out sand say, "we fucked all night," but "having intimate knowledge of each other" sounds like you pulled it straight from a King James Bible, hahaha.

    But seriously, great re-write -- I hope I get to see the final draft!

    --
    Gotr of Vatik
    Scholar by day, rogue by night.
    "If all I ever got was one shot, I'd still never blame fate."
  • garryjleegarryjlee Registered User
    It was interesting to read, as the way it was written felt like a commentary on that kind of "20 somethings stuck in a dead end job" theme, because the humanity of the speech seemed quite absent. The story itself seemed quite long for quite a weak payoff. Not bad, but it didn't surprise me. At the moment it feels like more of a description of a story, than an actual story. A bit too "High Fidelity", if you know what I mean.

  • punographyfolifepunographyfolife Registered User
    I like the story, but I was a little confused as to why the character would be so nonchalant about not only ruining Dave's marriage, but also killing him. It just came off across as a bit callous. I feel like he should give some sense of emotion to this fact rather than just shrugging it off as another day of work.

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