[League of Legends] Ziggs Is Out! "Explosions first, questions later."

Styrofoam Sammich

TIFunkalicious wrote:

i spent my christmas rp on jarvan

I'm so sorry.

Arivia

I spent mine on LeBlanc and Mistletoe LeBlanc. Which I have played once since.

MrGrimoire

Apparently, it's possible to have too much communication during draft pick.

Arivia

MrGrimoire wrote:

Apparently, it's possible to have too much communication during draft pick.

Yeah, your mom said that to me last night.

(an example of the kinds of things you don't need to be talking about in draft pick)

Jars

so this was my day:

play sr, have trouble over roles and lanes, lose
play dominion, have no trouble over roles and lanes(because there are virtually none), win

MrGrimoire

Arivia wrote:

MrGrimoire wrote:

Apparently, it's possible to have too much communication during draft pick.

Yeah, your mom said that to me last night.

(an example of the kinds of things you don't need to be talking about in draft pick)

INono, it was all to the point. Except now no one has any idea what lane they're going to.

Torgairon

Jars wrote:

so this was my day:

play sr, have trouble over roles and lanes, lose
play dominion, have no trouble over roles and lanes(because there are virtually none), win

dominion as described by this thread has never interested me too much. if I'm not frothing at the mouth over people laning poorly, making poor champ picks from the start in regards to desired lanes and things aren't a total clusterfuck, in what way is that the league experience?

Arikado

Dominion is where I go to destroy nerds with Poppy. Makes a shitty day a lot better.

Dark_Side

Bethryn wrote:

Dark_Side wrote:

his ult is only good if your ranged AD carry gets fed.

Nope.

It's a 45-75% improvement to basic damage output. So when you've got a carry like Graves, Cait or Trist, built primarily for AD, they don't even need to "get fed". Even if they go equal with their opponent, at 25+ minutes, they've got a 50%+ damage boost for 10-20 secs that the opposing team simply doesn't get. And as you tend towards lategame, not only is Yorick tankier, but the effect of the AD carry on the game is even more heavily amplified.

Eh....at my elo, I just haven't seen it do anything unless the AD carry is already wrecking faces, and he can pop it on them before they or he gets melted. Not to say the 75% jump isn't awesome on paper, just in game its seems decidedly less so. But that's just my own opinion.

Carnarvon

It's considerably easier to carry a Dominion game because of the much reduced ability to feed an enemy.

JustPlainEvil

Dominion is the only place I can get good use out of the Eve skin I got back when her usefulness wasn't -500%.

Bethryn

You know...

I want to try

Yorick
Warwick
some mid
Taric
auto-attack carry

Taric AD buff + WW AS buff on the carry ghost should be fairly amusing. Take Karthus as mid for Armour reduction perhaps.

Carnarvon

Alistar, Malph, Blitz, Chogath, and Wukong.

Bitches gonna get knocked up.

Squidget0

I've played a lot of Dominion but I've never found it to have quite the depth of strategy that SR does. It's a nice way to unwind in solo queue, but the lack of power differentials make it pretty hard to outplay a superior teamcomp. Almost every game of Dominion 5s I played seemed to go like this: Outpick the enemy -> Control the speed shrines -> Win the game.

Edit: Also, Yorick + Ryze is the best team comp. Fuck the AD carry, a Ryze with two lives cannot possibly lose any game.

Jars

well I ban yorick and ryze so your strategy has a gaping hole!

Carnarvon

Who's the third ban? I love me some Rammus on Dom.

Jars

Torgairon wrote:

Jars wrote:

so this was my day:

play sr, have trouble over roles and lanes, lose
play dominion, have no trouble over roles and lanes(because there are virtually none), win

dominion as described by this thread has never interested me too much. if I'm not frothing at the mouth over people laning poorly, making poor champ picks from the start in regards to desired lanes and things aren't a total clusterfuck, in what way is that the league experience?

it's that people don't want to jungle and people don't want to duo lane even in pa games which is understandable and someone having to do it makes it that much less enjoyable. so play dominion, get to pick what role you want and chances are it will be fine.

Jars

always poppy. fuck poppy

Squidget0

Poppy in Dominion is the highest tier of bullshit, somehow managing to create a tier that is more bullshit than Shaco even though Shaco already had his own personal tier.

Styrofoam Sammich

I like dominion when I'm low on patience or its late and I'm tired. Plus a lot of champs and builds that are weak on SR are viable on Dom. Its a much more forgiving meta.

MrGrimoire

So solo-top Nidalee is pretty baller.
Repeatedly forced a nasus out of lane with less than 100 health. Only reason he didn't die was because I gave no shits and farmed. She's got a surprising amount of damage, really.

Then late game my tacitic was: Pounce on Vayne>Vayne runs away like a little girl.

Carnarvon

Jars wrote:

Torgairon wrote:

Jars wrote:

so this was my day:

play sr, have trouble over roles and lanes, lose
play dominion, have no trouble over roles and lanes(because there are virtually none), win

dominion as described by this thread has never interested me too much. if I'm not frothing at the mouth over people laning poorly, making poor champ picks from the start in regards to desired lanes and things aren't a total clusterfuck, in what way is that the league experience?

it's that people don't want to jungle and people don't want to duo lane even in pa games which is understandable and someone having to do it makes it that much less enjoyable. so play dominion, get to pick what role you want and chances are it will be fine.

I love when no one wants to jungle, because then I can do it. That way I can laugh and complain when other people fail their lanes because no one ever counterjungles outside of ranked games.

Carnarvon

Nidalee is a motherfucker.

MrGrimoire

Yeah. I've always played her ap, but tried the bruiser build now. Got triforce, atmas and Randuins, the the game was over.

Jars

really as long as you have a melee, and a mage, and someone who can do bottom you are set. that's not very high requirements for team comp.

or maybe I'm just so awesome at bottom that it makes everything easier(mr humble right here)

Cutfang

I dunno, if you clone a Caitlyn and then they are both shooting at 650 range apart. You'll end up shooting a lot of people.

Has anyone tried Yorick jungling recently? I'm interested in giving that a go.

Carnarvon

Her manaless pounce and 40% AS buff make her pretty fucking beefy, and her Cougar's Q has like a 3.0 AD coefficient. Triforce is a bit of a waste IMO because of the lack of meaningful AD, and her base AD isn't that high if I remember my numbers right. Straight AD is the best for her after Atmogs.

Psycho Internet Hawk

So is it like a known thing that Udyr with Pheonix at 1 and Tiger at 2 has a 3:20 or so jungle clear? Cause holy shit it's so awesome

MrGrimoire

I just think triforce looks pretty in my inventory. And I hate building Atmogs. But I'll keep that in mind.

Daris

So Poppy used her ultimate on me once when I was oom. I was trying to tell my team to disengage, to run, but thye didn't listen.

Why didn't then listen?!

Jookie

I have a fair amount of time where I won't be at work. You fair people should attempt to teach me how to jungle during that stretch since I don't want to go into a game with no knowledge of what to do besides smacking around neutral minions without people being able to just say stuff directly to me (and ideally won't be really mean). I haven't touched the jungle since the change and I don't know any optimal routes, I just know start blue and sweep around and look for ganks and such but even then I can't since lolbotgamejungling.

Carnarvon

You could probably get away with six BTs really. IIRC, in cougar form while spamming Q, you're actually faster that someone with boots 2 if you're in the bushes.

@Jookie: Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Wolves->Red->Golems->Wraiths is the standard route if you need blue to jungle. The Rivens and Lee Sins and Mundos do Wraiths->Red->Golems->Wraiths->Blue or something similar.

Arivia

Carnarvon wrote:

Jars wrote:

Torgairon wrote:

Jars wrote:

so this was my day:

play sr, have trouble over roles and lanes, lose
play dominion, have no trouble over roles and lanes(because there are virtually none), win

dominion as described by this thread has never interested me too much. if I'm not frothing at the mouth over people laning poorly, making poor champ picks from the start in regards to desired lanes and things aren't a total clusterfuck, in what way is that the league experience?

it's that people don't want to jungle and people don't want to duo lane even in pa games which is understandable and someone having to do it makes it that much less enjoyable. so play dominion, get to pick what role you want and chances are it will be fine.

I love when no one wants to jungle, because then I can do it. That way I can laugh and complain when other people fail their lanes because no one ever counterjungles outside of ranked games.

Yeah, here's a question that's come to mind recently.

Ignoring cries from the lanes, which is more valuable: ganking lanes or counterjungling? as Shyv I tend to focus on counterjungling more, because if I can fuck up their jungler and let them never get red, there will likely never be any ganks.

Carnarvon

Arivia wrote:

Carnarvon wrote:

Jars wrote:

Torgairon wrote:

Jars wrote:

so this was my day:

play sr, have trouble over roles and lanes, lose
play dominion, have no trouble over roles and lanes(because there are virtually none), win

dominion as described by this thread has never interested me too much. if I'm not frothing at the mouth over people laning poorly, making poor champ picks from the start in regards to desired lanes and things aren't a total clusterfuck, in what way is that the league experience?

it's that people don't want to jungle and people don't want to duo lane even in pa games which is understandable and someone having to do it makes it that much less enjoyable. so play dominion, get to pick what role you want and chances are it will be fine.

I love when no one wants to jungle, because then I can do it. That way I can laugh and complain when other people fail their lanes because no one ever counterjungles outside of ranked games.

Yeah, here's a question that's come to mind recently.

Ignoring cries from the lanes, which is more valuable: ganking lanes or counterjungling? as Shyv I tend to focus on counterjungling more, because if I can fuck up their jungler and let them never get red, there will likely never be any ganks.

Here's how you gank a lane:

1. Look at the lane: are they too pushed for me to initiate before they reach the tower? If so, do something else.
2. I'm at their lane: Is there an opening? If not, do something else.

It doesn't set you back to go to a lane and fail a gank. It sets you back to spend 20 seconds dicking around and then fail a gank. Counter jungling is something you do when it's either super effective against the enemy jungler, or you know it's safe to do so, or you have nothing better to do.

Jookie

PS I meant doing it live in the jungle.

Also it's a lot of fun forgetting any sort of build and then realize I'm Irelia so it doesn't matter, whatever I put on her will work.

Kai_San

Jars wrote:

always poppy. fuck poppy

Heh.
Poopy.

Also look at ari makin threads

Carnarvon

Who cares about losing in normals? Go die and be terrible, and then play with us and then we'll complain that you don't gank when we're pushed, out of mana, and have no CC.

bobwoco

So I bought Gangplank the other day. He's pretty gloriously powerful. What other champions do you think are on his tier (besides Graves, I know that)?

Carnarvon

bobwoco wrote:

So I bought Gangplank the other day. He's pretty gloriously powerful. What other champions do you think are on his tier (besides Graves, I know that)?

Ahri, Kennen, Cass, Brand, Janna, Lee Sin, Yorick, Janna, Maokai, Nidalee, Riven, Rammus, Sona, Skarner, Udyr, Soraka, Vayne, Morgana, and maybe Wukong.

Gangplank has the bonus of being able to fill nearly any role and is pretty easy to play well.

milski

Gangplank is a champion who is solidly effective everywhere, but outstanding nowhere, and no matter which lane you're in he has ways to reward good play (he's got the ability to either be a passive fuck aggression receive last hits top, jungle with a decent kit for ganks, be bot as either the farmbot or the harass support, or go mid and do sidelane ganks with minimal investment). Excepting some top lane matchups, though, he doesn't really have anywhere he dominates, and certainly isn't top tier. Very good, but not on some kind of tier of his own.