Ravnica Resurgence: Magic the Gathering

Bucketman

Oh man I don't care that that enchantment is a 5 cost. I'm putting 4 in my token deck to stack with my other enchantments

Meiz

Yeah, that planeswalker is pretty poopy for standard but it may have serious implications for other formats that use mechanics such as madness. Cheap enablers can be pretty good.

drp527

three more things, including the first of the ability lands (U/R this time)
the second one's pretty much just the standard red temporary creature steal spell attached to a 3/3 with haste

Spoiler:

The Good Doctor Tran

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U/R delver is going to be so goddamn broken.

drp527

oh wait, I just noticed something

it's not just a creature-steal effect, it takes target permanent, untaps it and gives it haste

Meiz

I'm making a b-line for RU delver. The new land is perfect for dumping miracle cards into the yard and setting them up with noxious revival as well as ponder. I'm contemplating putting in rr spell copy cards as well to amplify the result.

Asharaxx

So, among other things, You could grab a Planeswalker and use (preferably) its final ability to kill it and get the benefit?

WuShock

Delver = mf'ing Caw-Blade v2.0.

...and yet, I go out and get my third Rapmaster Sage today. I'm no fool.

That blue PW is going in my EDH deck if nothing else.

Terrendos

Asharaxx wrote: »

So, among other things, You could grab a Planeswalker and use (preferably) its final ability to kill it and get the benefit?

Only if the Planeswalker already has that many counters on it.

Another thing that I don't think was mentioned: Planeswalkers can't do creature combat, but they can be attacked like a player. Furthermore, anything that can damage a player can be redirected to a Planeswalker they control. Aside from "destroy target permanent" spells, that's how you're supposed to get rid of them. The way I explained it to my friends is that you can think of a Planeswalker as an allied player.

The Good Doctor Tran

I am going to try to do stupid things with Temporal Mastery and Azula. I fully expect to fail, but I must try.

drp527

Terrendos wrote: »

Asharaxx wrote: »

So, among other things, You could grab a Planeswalker and use (preferably) its final ability to kill it and get the benefit?

Only if the Planeswalker already has that many counters on it.

Another thing that I don't think was mentioned: Planeswalkers can't do creature combat, but they can be attacked like a player. Furthermore, anything that can damage a player can be redirected to a Planeswalker they control. Aside from "destroy target permanent" spells, that's how you're supposed to get rid of them. The way I explained it to my friends is that you can think of a Planeswalker as an allied player.

yes thank you I forgot to mention these things

also I think you can only do damage redirection so long as it's a targeted effect, and that global damage will just happen like it's supposed to

but I am not sure on this point

Meiz

I'll just be pinging people's dome ignoring all their stupid junk. The new fireball miracle card is nice. This is a strooong set.

PiptheFair

Meiz wrote: »

I'll just be pinging people's dome ignoring all their stupid junk. The new fireball miracle card is nice. This is a strooong set.

yeah

the power curve on this set seems really high

drp527

this set gets all of my love just for that aura angel

anything that makes auras better/more usable I am pretty much guaranteed to love

The Good Doctor Tran

Early Deck Idea: Boros Thief

Spoiler:

Creatures (17):
4 Vexing Devil
2 Emancipation Angel
1 Avacyn, Angel of Hope
4 Zealous Conscripts
3 Herald of War
2 Blade Splicer
1 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight

Planeswalkers (3):
2 Chandra, the Firebrand
1 Koth of the Hammer

Sorceries (1):
1 Bonfire of the Damned

Instants (12)
4 Act of Aggression
4 Cloudshift
4 Infernal Plunge
2 Increasing Vengeance

Land (25)
4 Clifftop Retreat
12 Plains
9 Mountain

Sorry for the lack of links, a ton of the cards are AVR so they aren't in gatherer yet.

Power level might be too low/slow for standard, I'm going to proxy test it though. It should have a very good matchup against ramp and G/R Aggro.

E: In case it's unclear, the basic idea is to fork-cloudshift either conscripts or stolen creatures. Conscripts nets you another theft, blinking the creature makes the theft permanent.

drp527

a flicker-thief deck sounds like a lot of fun even if not viable, that looks pretty good

drp527

and we get a new miracle card, this time a re-done Wheel of Fortune

Reforge the Soul

SLyM

I want to make a red-black casual deck with wheel of fortune, reforge the soul, tefari's puzzle box, meegrim, and underworld dreams.

Big Red Tie

drp527 wrote: »

and we get a new miracle card, this time a re-done Wheel of Fortune

Reforge the Soul

this card is so sick

The Good Doctor Tran

Ha. Some of Tibalt's design is becoming clearer.

Peccavi

Paying two mana and four counters to do seven damage still doesn't seem that great.

Unless you're referring to something else.

The Good Doctor Tran

Peccavi wrote: »

Paying two mana and four counters to do seven damage still doesn't seem that great.

Unless you're referring to something else.

No, it's pretty awful, but I'm reasonably certain that was a design interaction they were going for.

Big Red Tie

RR
for 7 damage

is not awful

SLyM

Except they probably won't have a 7 card hand anymore on turn 4?

Big Red Tie

SLyM wrote: »

Except they probably won't have a 7 card hand anymore on turn 4?

drp527 wrote: »

and we get a new miracle card, this time a re-done Wheel of Fortune

Reforge the Soul

SLyM

Then it isn't RR for 7 damage anymore, it's RRRR3 or RRR1 for 7 damage and you both get 7 cards in hand.

Terrendos

Tibalt seems like a very specific card for a specific type of deck. I mostly see him sideboarded in to battle control decks in RDW decks.

It is telling that he's the only PW I've seen on Star City for less than $40 prior to its set's release.

Big Red Tie

in a red deck built around those cards, that is going to draw you a lot more in card advantage than your opponent will. it will also screw with anything they were setting up, between the board and their hand

casting either alone is worth the RR or 1R, so it's really not fair to lump the costs together

SLyM

I'm not saying it's bad!

I'm just saying it's not RR for 7 damage.

It's a different amount of mana for a different amount of things.

Big Red Tie

and the cost is staggered

Big Red Tie

well

it's really

RR for tibalt

and 1R for reforge

but that's kind of pointless to say

The Good Doctor Tran

The combo's good enough for casual or the non-competitive formats, definitely. In standard it's just not worth doing - you can set up considerably more damage for less effort faster.

Big Red Tie

except red will run reforge anyway
tibalt seems like anti-control tech right now, but you haven't seen all of the synergy that is going to undoubtedly be in the set

Meiz

New red miracle card that's wheel of fortune for 2r 3c raw or 1r 1c on miracle does look sweet.

Radius

I really hope Nicol Bolas is good in M13, got his card as a birthday present when I was 9 and always had a deck built around him until I gave my cards to a friend as a going away present.

drp527

his planeswalker card has some extremely powerful abilities but he also costs a whole lot of mana to cast in the first place

I really enjoy it though

Melding

Nicol Bolas is going to be in m13?

Isn't he multi colour? isn't that a no no?

drp527

most likely not, the preview image for M13 had a picture of the old 'walker card on it

Radius

Is it the same one that's already out? I thought it was gonna be a new one.

drp527

Melding wrote: »

Nicol Bolas is going to be in m13?

Isn't he multi colour? isn't that a no no?

they confirmed this at PAX East I believe, stating that he's also going to be the major villain in...something I can't remember