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In all the cantinas in all the world, why'd [Star Wars] have to walk into mine?
Atomika
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I like Fatboy Robert's use of classic lines as the OP titles of this ongoing series. It lends it a touch of class and timelessness, ironic in this post-PT world we live in.
We're currently talking about the EU, and how fucking awful it is.
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I think Lucas still wants the critical acclaim. It's just when he doesn't get it, he retreats back to "Well look at all the money I made, so you are wrong!".
And he also wants the money of course.
There, I said it.
But I don't think he's out there to "ruin" his movies because the fans like the old ones. He's just a guy who thinks he could make the OT better. However, he is in fact making the OT much worse by adding in his bullshit. I only hold this opinion for the original special edition... the shit he added into the Blu-Rays is borderline criminal, where I suspect he is still tinkering with shit in the OT /dealwithit. The PT is also god-awful, there's no excuse for movies like that.
You've got some balls.
I hate the kotor era more than I hate the pt era. How's that for an opinion?
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Lucas has two problems, in my opinion:
a) He threw down his Magnum Opus right out of the gate, and that's basically all he had in him.
b) He got incredibly lazy after hitting his initial home run.
When he started-out, he was hungry for success; he wanted to prove that he could make it in Hollywood while being some no-name guy with a sci-fi script (at a time when science fiction was considered a low-quality genre).
He did it, and that's huge... and then I guess he just ran out of gas. He wasn't hungry for success anymore, but hey - there's all this 'money' stuff that people will give me if I keep crapping out lightsabres and death stars, so why not?
That is a bad opinion.
KOTOR & KOTOR II are much, much better written than any of the PT films.
ANH is also good though.
You're wrong Organichu.
Cash in on the success of The Old Republic MMO and make some CGi cartoons out of that.
But I enjoyed tor era much more; wish I had the time to read more on characters like Exar Kun and Marka Ragnos.
I asked in the last thread since I discovered that the Clone Wars got another season in the works after they wrap up the current one (which is in the Back 9 so to speak), but I wonder if the Clone Wars are gonna pull a M*A*S*H and have the series run longer than the event it's based on.
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Honestly. I don't want him to make anymore. Or change the films he didn't even direct anymore (the RotJ Noooo for instance). I mean, I know they are his IP, but that's like someone paying, say, Michaelangelo a commission for a painted portrait then taking it and drawing his newly grown mustache in black felt-tip pen on it. It's not his work, it's the artist's. Why the hell is he screwing with them? No one likes it. So why is he doing it anyway? I don't think he's a horrible person, I just think he doesn't know when to leave well enough alone and can't take anyone having an opinion that differs from his 'vision'. It really seems to me he's trying to make his horrid prequel trilogy better by making the old ones worse (by adding in more things to make it seem like they 'rhyme' like 'poetry').
That said, I still love the Star Wars universe. Pretty much all the games are great, with KotOR being the best of course. I think there are still good stories to be told in that universe, and I'm grateful to Lucas for giving us that universe, at least in part.
I just wish he could sit back and enjoy the praise. And if there are ever further movies in that universe let someone else do them.
And release the original trilogy without additions on blu-ray, for fuck's sake.
edit: Hm. I actually wasn't aware of a previous thread for this since I don't follow D&D that much, so if someone already posted that article, I apologize for doing so again.
"No.. I was wrong. This must be what going mad feels like."
Easily better than half of the films. Not that the other half sets the bar terribly high.
This is what I would like. I find the universe belonging to I-VI absolutely dull with the central characters even duller. The story's been told over and over and TOR offers something actually refreshing.
I feel like any literary criticism I could give on any other book is null and void because of this.
Agreed. I think he is the best Star Wars writer there is. Luke is not usually an invincible demigod, Leia is a person with faults and virtues, Han's likeable and cunning and the dialogue has snap. He does tend to replicate the feel of the OT, but quite frankly that is why I like him. I like the OT and the style it had, that serial adventure style. Its not very complex writing, but sometimes I just want to sit back and be entertained.
With SW:ToR out, the Old Republic era is actually really, really good.
The Old Republic feels more unified, vibrant, and sensical than anything else Starwars in a long time. Except for the Archtype quests being kinda crazy and some conceits to the medium (go collect 10 droid servos), everything is great. There's so much going on, they could easily make it or the Kotor era a great launching point for movies/books/cartoons/etc.
Basically a problem I have with the PT is that it's set up to show us the origin of Darth Vadar, but in no way does my mind connect Hayden Christensen with Darth Vadar. Not because of the actor, but because the story in the PT does not show how they can be the same character.
You might as well have shown his burned stumpy body being implanted in the Astromech that eventually malfunctions when Uncle Owen tries to buy it. There's about as much connection between the two.
Heck, I'd find it more believable if after being burned he became the Star Wars equivalent of Dark Man instead of Darth Vadar (he even had Liam Neeson there to train him for a while!).
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The archetype quests are crazy, but crazy in a Star Wars way. Star Wars tends to go big. And while you don't always want that, it can be a lot of fun.
I'm going to reread the NJO now and I'm only a chapter into Vector Prime and it's already making me sad.
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The New Jedi Order series was alright, though shitty in some parts. The Legacy of the Force series was probably the best fiction that's been written about Star Wars.
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The Jedi's true weapon is the Force, anything else they use, whether it's swords, whips, blasters, katars, etc., should depend on the individual Jedi's preference.
Heck, Yoda never even trained Luke to use the lightsaber. He only trained in Jedi philosophy and use of the Force.
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I think a problem is that if you block a lightsaber with something that is not a lightsaber, your weapon would be cut in half.
Lightsaber training should be the mark of a jedi knight, but there have to be jedi doctors, teachers, and philosophers too right? They can't all be warriors just because they're force adept?
But if a Jedi is adept enough in the Force, they can just block lightsabers with telekinesis. The Jedi have been shown to perform incredible feats with the Force. If they can lift giant machinery then they should be able to push a lightsaber away. Not to mention how they could practice focusing their telekinesis so they can break the machinery of lightsabers or mess around with their opponent's internal organs.
Actually, at least according to SWTOR, there are. And while they have light sabers to signify the training they're not warriors at all.
That scene with the little kids using lightsabers pissed me off it was so stupid what the fuck
It didn't seem too bad to me. Kind of how no matter what your job in the military is, you're still trained to use a gun.
But still, yeah, Lucas should not be allowed to touch his own IP.
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oh wow, I didn't know it's main stream now to hate on Lucas/Star Wars. Okay, I guess I should read the article first.
and then Lucas turns it into a standard part of Jedi training because you can never have too many references to the OT and every random little thing in the OT has to be significant
This happened with everything too.
Robes, Force Lightning, Darth, and a bunch of other things I can't be bothered to think of right now.
Every single thing that showed up in the OT was rebranded as the thing all Jedi/Sith/etc did all the time, instead of being just natural parts of the setting of the movie.
Every single thing that ever appears in the OT becomes a template for some significant thing.
I wouldn't mind that. The cartoon is amazingly mature at times. Hell, the violence alone would get it knocked off of most normal TV stations.
Someone extremely nerdy should go through every episode and see how many deaths are on-screen in the series so far. I decided to check it out, out of a sense of nostalgia, and in three sittings, noticed:
Many people being stabbed to death, and not in the whole "Oh one stab and you're dead". That one evil gungan chancellor really went to town on his boss.
People being crucified to the ground by electro-staves. People being Grievous.
Clones torching geonosians with flamethrowers.
Geonosians being turned into horrible zombies by having their brains devoured from the inside out
Clone pilots escaping an exploding frigate in an escape pod, only for buzz droids to find them and pop the wind-shield, sucking them into space, helmetless, with them obviously suffocating on-screen as this happens. Prior to it, they're obvious freaking out in the pod and trying to find something to stop the droid, which only ups the "Holy shit, this is gruesome" factor.
Ahsoka getting hit on by a Mandalorian. A female Mandalorian. And being slapped on the ass by the same Mandalorian. On-screen. Ahsoka is a teenager, by the way. I guess in glorious Traviss land, Mandalorians are too ubermensch to care about statutory rape laws.
Anakon/Grievious/Any other morally gray character deciding to remind everyone that no, they are not nice, and, in the case of Grievous, that the snidely whiplash routine is just that. Usually by demonstrating that yes, Grievous is an inhuman killing machine in something akin to this scene. Only the people never even get a chance to fight back in this cartoon.
It's a good thing they put this shit on Cartoon Network, because if it was on a channel that adults actually watched they'd probably lose their shit over some of the stuff that goes on in this show.
Edit: I remember reading one novel when I was much younger that pretty much out and out spelled out that Dooku was a good guy. He's a well intentioned extremist, who's being played just as much as he's playing everything else.
Problem is, Palps is well aware of the fact that he can't really trust Dooku. So he gets rid of him via lightsaber beheading. In other news, Anakin is a twit. If he hadn't of killed him, Palps plan would have pretty much fallen apart right then and there.
I'm curious about the future of SW video games. SWTOR is great for a 1 month old MMO, but the TFU series is kinda shitty. I actually like Starkiller as a character, but the way he's melded into canon is moronic. I think TFU2 had the potential to be a good game (I liked the big monster boss set piece battle), but it felt really, really rushed. It didn't feel any more on rails than the original (TFU had more nooks and crannies, but it was mostly linear, too), but it was way too short, and filled with dumb plot points (Yoda, the Light Side ending).
With all that said, what's next for gamers?
TFU2 was like a kick to the nuts of lameness. I think I beat it in about 5 hours.
I think about that, and how Lucas ended up still working on the original Star Wars and being unable to move past that. I think it's really interesting in a sobering way.
Also, and I say this without any schadenfreude, but I wish there was a way Joseph Campbell could take his critical appraisal to the Prequel and give us the kind of analysis unique to him about what this trilogy ended up really being about.
Yeah, TFU2 was really about a 3rd of a game. I thought that the beginning -> Kota's rescue was actually pretty okay. Then all pacing was thrown out the window and the game ends an hour or so later. It was though the dev team had an 85% finished first chapter and some rough draft level examples for other, larger chapters, and were told to slap it all together for the holiday season.