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I'm pretty sure that not only would that blow up in the faces and the courts would rule that those employees don't count as ministers.
Also if I'm not mistaken, those Catholic organization take government funds, so they pretty much should STFU about it or just refuse to take the federal money they currently get. If Obama really wanted to bitch slap them, he could bring up the fact that a few years ago we had universities that tried to prevent military recruitment on campus and they were told that they could kiss their federal funding goodbye if the military couldn't recruit on campus anymore.
The thing I'm liking now about the SGK controversy is how strong the support of Planned Parenthood turned out to be! That part is pretty cool considering how dire things can often look for PP. Too bad for SGK that they also weren't aware, or they probably wouldn't have listened to the woman against women nutcase.
Surprise! America is almost completely alone in this view. But surely we are right and everyone else is terribly wrong.
I glad PP is stronger than I assumed, too.
Shockingly, being the only health care provider for a ton of people inspires loyalty. Who knew?
Didn't they ban mosques? It seems that a lot of European countries are all for religious diversity as long as you're a secular christian.
Yeah. Even among those who have health insurance now, many people remember being young and needing Planned Parenthood at a time when they were vulnerable.
I'm pretty sure they would have been hosed if they still cut the funding but were honest about the motivation from the get go. At the very least they would have maintained some of the integrity, they would be considered callous assholes but at least they wouldn't be dishonest, callous assholes.
The only way they could cut funding to PP would be if they established a viable, sustainable alternative to PP. I'm sure they might have actually had the resources for doing so but they seem to have been afflicted with a corporate oriented mindset lately so I have a feeling such a route was a non-starter from the beginning.
Switzerland banned minarets.
Well, I think there's a minor issue of etiquette talking about medical care. Especially for reproductive care. It's not exactly around-the-office water-cooler talk, yknow?
They're one of the largest national organizations in the US expressly chartered to provide direct healthcare services to the poor and uninsured.
Given the shoddy state of healthcare in the US, this is really super-important.
There are other organizations, but arguably nobody has a network as large, or has achieved as much effective outreach into underserved & minority communities.
But, honestly, a big part of that was also that a huge funding source (California state government) dried up due to the housing market collapse.
Wow, timing.
This is why I thought it was so cool that Facebook lit up with 'I stand with PP' tags; turns out basically every woman I know who isn't a total fundie has a history with PP.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/02/1061151/-New-Komen-Foundation-policy-also-refuses-funding-for-embryonic-stem-cell research
What the hell do they hope to gain from going all-out right-wing? Is it really just one crazy ass senior executive dragging the entire organization over out of personal belief?
edit: moved this
edit 2: Spun the hate-speech deal into its own thread.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/02/06/national/w201910S85.DTL#ixzz1lhM5Ice7 Romney continues to be a sack of shit.
The entire organization is starting to look like a GOP front. A top Bush fundraiser started it, they hired Ari Fleischer to do hiring interviews (where he stressed the abortion issue) and hired a ultra-right Georgia GOP pol. Their business practices are beginning to look a lot more like a marketing firm with a tangential relationship to a cause, rather than the other way around.
At best, I think Koman was a corporate conservative organization - one of those CEO-friendly charities that have polished, pant-suited Republican women on top instead of mouthy liberal social activists. It was very easy for the internal culture to shift to full-on conservative activism.
Muahahahahahahaha. GTFO.
Still, glad the right person got the boot.
She's probably got a point. If you look at the hiring process, it looks like the board hired her to exactly what she did, then washed their hands of her when it blew up in Komen's face. If she had said, "Don't touch Planned Parenthood!" in her interview, she would never have been hired in the first place.
Keep talking Romney. You're doing a great job hanging yourself for the general election.
And Komen's response:
It gets the job done.
But don't worry freepers, at least you won the moral victory seeing as reproductive health defenders acted so condemnably! Yeah, those grapes ain't tasty at all!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PLANNED_PARENTHOOD_KOMEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Down at the very bottom of the article it really sounds like Handel was burned pretty badly once over the issue of giving money to PP for non-abortion services. Perhaps she thought she was saving SGK that trouble down the line.
Dumb move, obviously, and it's good to see she resigned. Hopefully she looks for a job in the anti-abortion movement since that's really where she wants to be.
jeep, you've been misinformed.
Handel ran for the governorship of Georgia on an explicit "defund PP" plank. She was brought into Komen by the leadership and Fleisher (who, in a great example of rewarding failure, is now tasked with cleaning up the mess he created) explicitly to find a way to allow Komen to end their grant to PP in a manner that wouldn't look like they were dancing to the tune of the anti-choice fundies. The "no investigations" scheme was her idea.
She's a hateful person who doesn't care about the health of women, and while it's good that she's gone, Komen made the mistake of not explicitly firing her ass.
Wow.
You need to read the article before telling me I am misinformed.
I think it is fair to say that this experience has probably had an effect on her outlook on Planned Parenthood, for better or worse. I'm sorry to interrupt the campaign to declare the woman internet hitler, but she is probably just a regular old conservative who lost an election partly due to a thing that she voted on once that sounded like a good thing. Then later when she was working in a different job she did the opposite of the thing that once got her bent over a tailgate and piston-fucked.
There has yet to be a smoking gun that proves there was a Fleisher-Handel conspiracy to enact this particular policy change. All that's been proven is that Handel pushed it hard while she was there, which honestly is exactly what you would expect of her, given who she is and what she believes.
As I said, it's good that she resigned. She's way too political to do any good in a non-political charity.