I am annoyed because the general idea of blowing away long-running support characters in stories that aren't about them at all, to develop other characters and/or make a "shit has gotten REAL!" statement is something I am incredibly tired of in comics. Writers keep killing characters who they don't want to bother writing about so they can advance whatever their pet characters are in a cheap, easy way. Aren't interested in making a certain character an important part of the story? Fine. Then keep them in the background or out of the story completely, and if someone else wants to do something later with that character they can. Don't just fucking kill them off, making sure that the character will never be able to be written in an interesting way by other writers(unless they do some sloppy retcon). Marvel and especially DC do this shit all the time. Character that doesn't star in their own book and isn't currently up to anything? Might as well brutally murder him/her to "up the stakes"! Established characters shouldn't be treated as expendable tools. If you're going to kill them off, it should be in a story where that character actually matters. Not a story where they show up just to die.
I've just grown so tired of character deaths as shock value, and it's made me tired of comics in general.
Well I certainly won't be buying it. I was actually considering using these two books as my jump-in back to comics but this is the kind of stuff that chased me away in the first place so, no thank you.
that sure was an angry diatribe that doesn't really have much to do with this situation at all
Except that's exactly what this comic is doing.
no, it isn't
you're complaining about things done in marvel and DC's large, shared universes, where there are many writers and many comics going at once
robots in disguise is one comic. it is written by one guy. presumably, when he stops writing it, it will be done, and transformers fiction will move on as it always does. nothing in those pages suggest those characters are being killed off solely for shock value, given that previous deaths in the series have had continuing impact that informs ongoing character progression.
yes, characters with names are dying, but that's pretty much all they have. none of them are characters, in that they are virtually without character, and given that the series has a large stable of characters at work already, it's unlikely these poor saps would spring from the other hundreds and thousands of transformers available to suddenly become the focus.
characters with names are being killed because it serves more impact in the story than Generibot 3 getting blasted, and it's more impact than they'd ever be likely to get if they lived through the entire comic's run.
The continuity began before this guy started writing this comic, did it not? What reason is there to believe that when he's done writing this comic, it will end? It's clearly already not his baby and his baby alone, especially since there is another book with another writer in the same continuity out there right now, is there not?
And it doesn't matter much anyway. It has little to do with how many writers write for a continuity, and much more to do with writing conventions I can't stand. I think sacrificing established characters to build other ones up is cheap storytelling and I don't think the fact that the characters being sacrificed hadn't been developed well in the past suddenly makes it okay. I think that if you are going to write a story about established characters dying, then the story should at least attempt to make those characters important and interesting in the story where they die. I think that if your idea of using established characters is to have them just pop in and die, then you are doing some pretty shit writing. I think that if you have characters that aren't currently interesting, and you choose to just blow them up to elevate some other character instead of either just not using them or attempting to make them interesting, you are doing some pretty shit writing. I think that if you think you need to do this to give your scene "impact" then you are doing some pretty shit writing.
And with that, I'm done talking about this. Cause the more I think about it, the more annoyed I get. And I don't want to post in the thread just to complain about things.
I don't mean to rehash this, but you are missing out on what is probably the Golden Age of Transformers storytelling.
Roberts is doing his thing on MTMTE, having space adventures and building mythology and being funny with a cool cast of random awesome characters.
Barber is doing some really interesting political stuff involving Autobots, Decepticons, and Neutrals (look for a Rock Lords cameo in #4) on Cybertron.
Both writers have tremendous respect and admiration for the brand and it shows. If only we could get Roche onboard doing whatever incredible miniseries popped into his fabulous Irish mind, we'd have the Holy Trinity.
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characters with names are being killed because it serves more impact in the story than Generibot 3 getting blasted, and it's more impact than they'd ever be likely to get if they lived through the entire comic's run.
For all the good things that people (including myself) said about War for Cybertron, boy oh boy did you ever shoot a lot of nameless, meaningless drones. I don't know how many times I wished that more robots with names would show up and get shot.
Also, with G1 available on Netflix, would anyone be interested in a "book club" of sorts? Each week we take a couple of episodes and discuss them at the end of the week.
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I'm up for it
but only if I can do for B.O.T what I did with revenge of the fallen and DOTM
It just looks like a brightly colored good guy. He's even 'yellow' which would fit a non-courageous bard.
"Brave sir Starscream flew away..."
"I did not!"
"Bravely flew away, away!"
"I never!"
"When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned to jet and fled..."
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I don't mean to rehash this, but you are missing out on what is probably the Golden Age of Transformers storytelling.
Roberts is doing his thing on MTMTE, having space adventures and building mythology and being funny with a cool cast of random awesome characters.
Barber is doing some really interesting political stuff involving Autobots, Decepticons, and Neutrals (look for a Rock Lords cameo in #4) on Cybertron.
Both writers have tremendous respect and admiration for the brand and it shows. If only we could get Roche onboard doing whatever incredible miniseries popped into his fabulous Irish mind, we'd have the Holy Trinity.
If Roche came back to write something I think I'd die
I could not comprehend living in a world with three fantastic transformers comics in it at once*
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I've just grown so tired of character deaths as shock value, and it's made me tired of comics in general.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Except that's exactly what this comic is doing.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
but neither of us have read anything more than a plot summary+a preview yet so
maybe we should defer this a while
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
no, it isn't
you're complaining about things done in marvel and DC's large, shared universes, where there are many writers and many comics going at once
robots in disguise is one comic. it is written by one guy. presumably, when he stops writing it, it will be done, and transformers fiction will move on as it always does. nothing in those pages suggest those characters are being killed off solely for shock value, given that previous deaths in the series have had continuing impact that informs ongoing character progression.
yes, characters with names are dying, but that's pretty much all they have. none of them are characters, in that they are virtually without character, and given that the series has a large stable of characters at work already, it's unlikely these poor saps would spring from the other hundreds and thousands of transformers available to suddenly become the focus.
characters with names are being killed because it serves more impact in the story than Generibot 3 getting blasted, and it's more impact than they'd ever be likely to get if they lived through the entire comic's run.
And it doesn't matter much anyway. It has little to do with how many writers write for a continuity, and much more to do with writing conventions I can't stand. I think sacrificing established characters to build other ones up is cheap storytelling and I don't think the fact that the characters being sacrificed hadn't been developed well in the past suddenly makes it okay. I think that if you are going to write a story about established characters dying, then the story should at least attempt to make those characters important and interesting in the story where they die. I think that if your idea of using established characters is to have them just pop in and die, then you are doing some pretty shit writing. I think that if you have characters that aren't currently interesting, and you choose to just blow them up to elevate some other character instead of either just not using them or attempting to make them interesting, you are doing some pretty shit writing. I think that if you think you need to do this to give your scene "impact" then you are doing some pretty shit writing.
Sorry if you disagree.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Sounds pretty badass. Hopefully someone doesn't ruin it forever by making them turn into animals instead.
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
but I can't figure out why they would do that
it seems counterintuitive when it comes to the whole "actually moving" thing
My Let's Play Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC2go70QLfwGq-hW4nvUqmog
Roberts is doing his thing on MTMTE, having space adventures and building mythology and being funny with a cool cast of random awesome characters.
Barber is doing some really interesting political stuff involving Autobots, Decepticons, and Neutrals (look for a Rock Lords cameo in #4) on Cybertron.
Both writers have tremendous respect and admiration for the brand and it shows. If only we could get Roche onboard doing whatever incredible miniseries popped into his fabulous Irish mind, we'd have the Holy Trinity.
For all the good things that people (including myself) said about War for Cybertron, boy oh boy did you ever shoot a lot of nameless, meaningless drones. I don't know how many times I wished that more robots with names would show up and get shot.
but only if I can do for B.O.T what I did with revenge of the fallen and DOTM
How about we say MTMTE parts 1-3 by Sunday night?
So <insert killer> has something to say other than 'You ... die' twenty times over.
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Sure. I'm two parts in already.
worst botcon ever? maybe.
but the colors stink
i guess it's supposed to be like Serpentor Prime? not particularly executed well though
sweet.
"Brave sir Starscream flew away..."
"I did not!"
"Bravely flew away, away!"
"I never!"
"When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned to jet and fled..."
SG Straxus looks like it might be based on Scrounge, an old buddy of Blaster's that Straxus threw into the smelting pools.
When you have to look to misprinted comics covers for inspiration, it's time to say. "fuck it, we're making SG Prime."
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Writer of tf3 and cowriter of rotf is coming back for tf four the reboot
I know I'm going to get them, and I know it would make it easier than hunting them.
But seeing the combined price tag staring me in the face like that makes me flinch.
If Roche came back to write something I think I'd die
I could not comprehend living in a world with three fantastic transformers comics in it at once*
*autocracy is only ok in my opinion
why
why do they keep hiring incompetent morons to write these things
anyone could write one of these movies and it would make as much cash, it's the franchise that brings in the viewers
the transformers movies were incredibly poorly reviewed, they must know the quality has nothing to do with the succes