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Official I Hate [Final Fantasy] Thread: Dead like FF XIV's userbase. New thread.

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edited July 2012 in Games and Technology
Final Fantasy is a long standing JRPG series which started in 1987. Yes it has a stupid name that everyone knows the story about. Yes it has a lot of genre cliches. Yes the first game totally rips off D&D which totally ripped off Tolkien who totally ripped off a bunch of norse and celtic myths. Swords, sorcery, crystals, knights, mages, dragons, chocobos, moogles, men named Cid.


MAIN SERIES

They've made FOURTEEN main series games and over fifty spin off titles. Here's what the fans says about them.
I hate Final Fantasy because it is glitchy/too easy/too hard. Also DQ III is so much better.
I hate Final Fantasy II because beating yourself up to improve stats is extremely dumb and passwords are so cliche. This isn't a SAGA game!
I hate Final Fantasy III because some of the jobs suck and I don't wike chiwbi gwaphics waaaah.
I hate Final Fantasy IV because they made too many different versions of it. It's too hard/easy/bad 3D/bad flash gamey looking.
I hate Final Fantasy V because I played it on the original Playstation.
I hate Final Fantasy VI because I'm a souless monster without any redeeming qualities.
I hate Final Fantasy VII because it's cool to hate popular things.
I hate Final Fantasy VIII because it has teenagers and a nonsensical plot. I've also never played any other Japanese game.
I hate Final Fantasy IX because they have big heads. Also Tetra Master is legit terrible.
I hate Final Fantasy X because HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (belt dress)
I hate Final Fantasy XI because it is too hard and too online, also all my friends played WoW.
I hate falling asleep while not playing Final Fantasy XII. Also its too British Star Wars.
I hate Final Fantasy XIII because it's not like FF (insert number here) and I don't like featureless tunnels, only two characters, main character death game over, or one of a million other things.
I hate Final Fantasy XIV because I have good taste.

SPIN OFFS

Everytime profits are down SE makes some more FF games. There are a lot of them, too many to list them all so I'll just continue the theme with the more popular ones.
I hate Final Fantasy Tactics because the Advance series is so much better.
I hate Final Fantasy Adventure because it's actually a Mana game/really is an FF spinoff (It's called FF Gaiden in Japan!)
I hate Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles because I have no friends.
I hate Final Fantasy Mystic Quest because it's too easy and I don't like having fun.
I hate Final Fantasy X-2 because it is pretty princess dress up and female empowerment scares me. Also I'm no good at math so Sphere Break is right out.
I hate Dissidia because IT'S NOT MY DADDY'S FF. Alternatively I don't like stupid names.
I hate FF XIII-2 because of preorder DLC, stupid time plots and...(to be continued)

THE FUTURE

We've got a decent slate of games on the horizon.

FF Type Zero: AKA Awesome FF game for PSP that will never be released in the west because the PSP is dead.

FF XIII Versus: Still not a fighting game.

KINGDOM HEARTS

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  • silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    So the last post of the last thread was:
    I apologize, I've delved the last few pages of this thread but I can't find the monster raising guide(s) someone linked a few pages back. Does someone have them handy?

    That doesn't apply since it's not the last few pages of THIS thread, but does anyone have them handy all the same?

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  • House of PaincakesHouse of Paincakes Registered User regular
    DaemonSadi wrote:
    Thanks for the clarification. I still don't quite understand why there are +strength nodes in the ravager crystarium, but at least that clarifies things!

    That's good to hear that SEN eventually gets abilities that reduce damage for the whole party. There have been a couple battles I've had to admit defeat that I plan to come back to because of high-damage AOE attacks.

    I'm pretty sure the damage on things like Shockstrike and whatnot are based on STR.

    Ah, didn't think of that.

  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Continuing from the end of the last thread:
    Thanks for the clarification. I still don't quite understand why there are +strength nodes in the ravager crystarium, but at least that clarifies things!

    The Raveger class has more than just spells. It also includes the -strike abilities (i.e. Flamestrike, etc.) which base their damage off of the strength stat rather than the magic stat. Also, the stat boosts are not specific to that role. If you get a boost in the Raveger role then you also get it in every other role.

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  • House of PaincakesHouse of Paincakes Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    For someone like Hope and Vanille though, it doesn't make much sense.

    Although I can't even remember who's RAV crystarium I was specifically looking at, so for all I know Hope and Vanille don't have any +STR nodes there.

    I mean, I guess if you wanted to make them a COM it would work, but that just sounds silly.

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  • CururuCururu Registered User regular
    For someone like Hope and Vanille though, it doesn't make much sense.

    Although I can't even remember who's RAV crystarium I was specifically looking at, so for all I know Hope and Vanille don't have any +STR nodes there.

    I mean, I guess if you wanted to make them a COM it would work, but that just sounds silly.

    It works in the other direction too. The inclusion of the Ruin spells means that the more magical characters can make good Commandos. Hope, in particular, makes for a pretty good commando once he can spam a couple Ruingas a turn.

    Plus it's good to not get too specialized, just in case you come across enemies that are strong to either physical or magical attacks, or in case you get inflicted with Fog or Pain.

  • ShenShen Go placidly amid the noise and haste Registered User regular
    Just glanced on the EU PSN to see if the DLC was up yet (didn't see it) and saw that SE are doing some crazy firesale atm.

    FFI, II, VI, VII, VIII, IX, FFT:WotL: £4 each
    Dissidia 1: £9
    Dissidia 2: £14 + £1 for Aeris
    FFIV + The After Years: £14

    Pretty great deals for a bunch of games we doubtless all already own in one format or another! :P

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  • MechanicalMechanical Registered User regular
    DaemonSadi wrote:
    Thanks for the clarification. I still don't quite understand why there are +strength nodes in the ravager crystarium, but at least that clarifies things!

    That's good to hear that SEN eventually gets abilities that reduce damage for the whole party. There have been a couple battles I've had to admit defeat that I plan to come back to because of high-damage AOE attacks.

    I'm pretty sure the damage on things like Shockstrike and whatnot are based on STR.

    Ah, didn't think of that.

    They'll also get a boost from Enfire and the like as well, which can make high-strength users really nasty area attackers.

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  • RizziRizzi Registered User regular
    Can I ever fuck up a character in XIII-2? I've been putting points in to Rav/Sab for Serah and Com/Rav for Noel.

  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Rizzi wrote:
    Can I ever fuck up a character in XIII-2? I've been putting points in to Rav/Sab for Serah and Com/Rav for Noel.

    Fuck up? no. Get notably different end-game stats? Yes. Someone put that leveling guide in the OP please!

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  • BluecyanBluecyan Registered User regular
    Rizzi wrote:
    Can I ever fuck up a character in XIII-2? I've been putting points in to Rav/Sab for Serah and Com/Rav for Noel.

    Short answer no. Certain bonuses from the larger nodes can be optimized though (str for Noel mag for Serah) but as has been mentioned it largely doesn't matter. Worst thing you can do in the game is infuse a unique monster and not be able to get another (you should know if you get one of those) or possibly use too many wild artifacts on side gates and be without one when you need one.

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  • XagarXagar Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    As a general tip: Don't use any wild artefacts until the storyline makes you use one.

    For early peaker offense I would grab
    RAV Bucaboo (Steppe) (once you max it out it has Gilfinder II, which can be infused)
    COM Dragoon (Tower) (cheap to develop)
    Both get around 475str/375mag/2600hp
    If you need a SEN get Pulsework Knight from Bresha 05. It has around 5200 hp when maxed out...with level 2 materials.

    Also from last thread re: Chichu - it has Armor Breaker, which pretty much ignores physical damage resist.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Are there any that the story makes you use, that doesn't hand you a Wild Artefact right there?

    There's only one that's really out of where you'll be looking anyway in Oerba 200AF iirc, the rest are in locations you probably won't miss and then the one bought via chips in the casino.

    Either way, if you want to make sure you're utilizing them in the most ideal way first, make sure you're taking time paths that unlock all of the Breshda(I know I'm spelling that wrong) and Massif locations first, before anything else; though you'll have to unlock some other areas to get to all of them, but yeah. Completing all fragments in those areas gives you double CP which you'll want ASAP, but you still won't be able to get till fairly late in the game anyway.

    I still haven't beaten the game, but I thought I was being pretty efficient about getting those fragments and I still ended up with two classes mastered and every other class having learned all abilities prior to unlocking double CP. I'll be straight mastered well before I finish all the side stuff I'm guessing, at this point.

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  • XagarXagar Registered User regular
    Yes, there's no artefact anywhere near the one required wild gate in the storyline. I just loved that slog through ciethville USA until I gave up and googled it.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue Coral Springs, FLRegistered User regular
    Oh come on!

    I spent 20 minutes fighting His Royal Ripeness and got him to 999%, only to find he can't be staggered? :(

    If I've got the stones to go toe to toe with him, Square, let me do it!

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Oh man I didn't see this thread sorry. My last post then, because this needs to be answered:

    Blackjack wrote:
    Turkey wrote:
    Anyone get the Lightning/Amodar DLC yet? I want it but no point in getting it if I'm too under-leveled to enjoy it.

    I don't have it but I know about it. Basically it gives you one of the best Ravagers in the game (Lightning) and one of the better Commandos (Amodar), though I don't know if Amodar has the potential to be better than Chichu yet. Lightning only gets 15 levels in the Crystarium, and I'm unsure how much Amodar gets.

    They only have 600,000 HP a piece, you could probably do it without max levels.
    Tell us what really matters, though.

    Can Lightning wear hats?

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue Coral Springs, FLRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Blackjack wrote:
    Turkey wrote:
    Anyone get the Lightning/Amodar DLC yet? I want it but no point in getting it if I'm too under-leveled to enjoy it.

    I don't have it but I know about it. Basically it gives you one of the best Ravagers in the game (Lightning) and one of the better Commandos (Amodar), though I don't know if Amodar has the potential to be better than Chichu yet. Lightning only gets 15 levels in the Crystarium, and I'm unsure how much Amodar gets.

    They only have 600,000 HP a piece, you could probably do it without max levels.
    Tell us what really matters, though.

    Can Lightning wear a blue ribbon?

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Bullied BatRegistered User regular
    Also wondering what level you need to be to stand a chance against them?

  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    Lightning would have to wear the Lightning mask.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Lightning would have to wear the Lightning mask.
    That would be idea, yes.

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  • XagarXagar Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I think it would be funny to put the Caius sword on her.

    Also, I would pay money dollars for a 'past heroines outfit pack' with any of AC Tifa, X-2 Yuna, Ashe, or Lightning.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Bullied BatRegistered User regular
    How about the actual characters?

    Come on, you all thought about it too. You know how much money they would make letting you recruit other FF characters?

    Fun fact: when FFXIII was in the conceptual stages, they used updated models of YRP when testing out the battle system.

  • House of PaincakesHouse of Paincakes Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    How about the actual characters?

    Come on, you all thought about it too. You know how much money they would make letting you recruit other FF characters?

    Fun fact: when FFXIII was in the conceptual stages, they used updated models of YRP when testing out the battle system.

    YRP?

    EDIT: Nevermind, figured it out! Yuna, Rikku, and Paine for those who were likewise confused.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    Only if I can have all 3 girls in a fight at the same time.

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  • ShenShen Go placidly amid the noise and haste Registered User regular
    Ochu giving 30k CP is really daft, ended up going round the crystarium twice thanks to that. I have what could best be described as a metric fuckton of synergist monsters, no clue which one to use (or if I should even bother; not really needed buffs so far).

    Had a couple of encounters with the clock puzzles;they're... almost fun? Like, if it gave you a constant start point or something they'd really be able to capitalise on the sense of satisfaction I got from beating them.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    30k? Is that with double CP?

    Can you fight it again or is it a once only thing?

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  • PunkBoyPunkBoy Registered User regular
    Huh, that's pretty cool they used YRP, and it makes sense in a cute call back way since they were already constantly changing roles in their own game.

    In any case, I finally got around to starting XIII-2 (blame SC V) and I'm having a blast with it so far. I love lore/world building, so the time traveling is right up my alley. Also, I'm pleasantly surprised that I'm enjoying Noel and Serah as the main characters.
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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    30k? Is that with double CP?

    Can you fight it again or is it a once only thing?
    That should just be when you kill it the first time and get its Fragment. You can fight all of the Steppe bosses again (except the one plot one) by exiting to the Historia, then coming and changing the weather. It's especially worth it to make sure you get the weapons from the Invincible monster. +50% ATB speed. It's like auto haste the whole fight. When coupled with actual haste it's insane.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    Cool, good to know. I need to do the last few fragments in the Steppe, one of the bigger things I haven't finished. I think I'm like 130/160 or something like that. Dunno if I want to do it before or after beating the game.

    I read somewhere that one of the bosses on the steppe dropped the collectors item that sells for like 140k or something? Is that the Long Gui/

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  • ShenShen Go placidly amid the noise and haste Registered User regular
    Just watched my first paradox ending, not at all what I was expecting, haha. I should probably go ahead and beat the game if I'm strong enough to unlock one of those, but eh, I'm enjoying the journey.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Is there a maximum amount of monsters that I can have "stabled" at a time, or is it possible to have all the monsters?

    Bonus question: Does the amount of monsters in my set ever get higher than 4? I really want to have 6 monsters in my active set -- one for each job. Right now I'm running with a Com, Sab, Med. I'd like to add a Syn, Sab, and Sent to my team without sacrificing anything.

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  • XagarXagar Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    No. (to both)

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    Shen wrote:
    Just glanced on the EU PSN to see if the DLC was up yet (didn't see it) and saw that SE are doing some crazy firesale atm.

    FFI, II, VI, VII, VIII, IX, FFT:WotL: £4 each
    Dissidia 1: £9
    Dissidia 2: £14 + £1 for Aeris
    FFIV + The After Years: £14

    Pretty great deals for a bunch of games we doubtless all already own in one format or another! :P
    If anyone's interested in any of these sales, get them now. They've been up for 2 weeks and they'll be going down with the next update (which'll be in ~12 hours, bringing the Lightning/Amodar DLC with it). I bought VIII, IX and Dissidia 012. FFIV was tempting but I figured I'd spent enough and could wait for them the next time they put it on sale.

    Anyway, I'm going through the Paradox endings and it's funny how easy some of these battles are compared to when I first attempted them (and died horrifying deaths). 2 left, including what I've heard is the hardest one.
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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Shen wrote:
    Just glanced on the EU PSN to see if the DLC was up yet (didn't see it) and saw that SE are doing some crazy firesale atm.

    FFI, II, VI, VII, VIII, IX, FFT:WotL: £4 each
    Dissidia 1: £9
    Dissidia 2: £14 + £1 for Aeris
    FFIV + The After Years: £14

    Pretty great deals for a bunch of games we doubtless all already own in one format or another! :P
    If anyone's interested in any of these sales, get them now. They've been up for 2 weeks and they'll be going down with the next update (which'll be in ~12 hours, bringing the Lightning/Amodar DLC with it). I bought VIII, IX and Dissidia 012. FFIV was tempting but I figured I'd spent enough and could wait for them the next time they put it on sale.

    Anyway, I'm going through the Paradox endings and it's funny how easy some of these battles are compared to when I first attempted them (and died horrifying deaths). 2 left, including what I've heard is the hardest one.
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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    Blackjack wrote:
    Anyway, I'm going through the Paradox endings and it's funny how easy some of these battles are compared to when I first attempted them (and died horrifying deaths). 2 left, including what I've heard is the hardest one.
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  • Zephyr_FateZephyr_Fate Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote:
    Blackjack wrote:
    Turkey wrote:
    Anyone get the Lightning/Amodar DLC yet? I want it but no point in getting it if I'm too under-leveled to enjoy it.

    I don't have it but I know about it. Basically it gives you one of the best Ravagers in the game (Lightning) and one of the better Commandos (Amodar), though I don't know if Amodar has the potential to be better than Chichu yet. Lightning only gets 15 levels in the Crystarium, and I'm unsure how much Amodar gets.

    They only have 600,000 HP a piece, you could probably do it without max levels.
    Tell us what really matters, though.

    Can Lightning wear a blue ribbon?

    I honestly don't know about adornments, but considering you can put shit on Omega, I assume you can do the same for Lightning/Amodar.

  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    Blackjack wrote:
    Shen wrote:
    Just glanced on the EU PSN to see if the DLC was up yet (didn't see it) and saw that SE are doing some crazy firesale atm.

    FFI, II, VI, VII, VIII, IX, FFT:WotL: £4 each
    Dissidia 1: £9
    Dissidia 2: £14 + £1 for Aeris
    FFIV + The After Years: £14

    Pretty great deals for a bunch of games we doubtless all already own in one format or another! :P
    If anyone's interested in any of these sales, get them now. They've been up for 2 weeks and they'll be going down with the next update (which'll be in ~12 hours, bringing the Lightning/Amodar DLC with it). I bought VIII, IX and Dissidia 012. FFIV was tempting but I figured I'd spent enough and could wait for them the next time they put it on sale.

    Anyway, I'm going through the Paradox endings and it's funny how easy some of these battles are compared to when I first attempted them (and died horrifying deaths). 2 left, including what I've heard is the hardest one.
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    I'm hoping the store just got the DLC update, as it's telling me I now need to install a software update to access it.

    time to crash, the dawn is up, the sun gleems out glorious ps4 sunbeams and i can trade those sunbeams and do whatever i want with them.
  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    Time to do some chocobo racing I guess. My gold chocobo isn't max levelled but it's ~30, so hopefully that'll be good enough.

    Oh and apparently the US PSN update has hit so anyone in the US that's interested in the DLC might want to check that out. Us PAL lackies will have to wait another 10 or so hours because SCEE sucks (though on the bright side, we get Malicious this week, which looks awesome).

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Bullied BatRegistered User regular
    Got an answer on whether or not you can adorn Lightning with adornments.
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