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  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie a crucified man can't be attached to anything elseRegistered User regular
    Yeah walk away

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  • <3&lt;3 Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    it anti airs

    and it hits behind him

    behind him
    st. H?

    seriously?

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    I'M IN THE COUCH TECH LOBBY COME FIGHT ME

  • PandaryuPandaryu Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    WHOA, SHE'S AWESOME

    Sorry Aigis, I gotta main the seifuku-wearan, giant axe wieldan, robot chick.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I understand that I said some controversial statements on the Cross Assault show, and a lot of people are deeply offended with what was said. When I made these statements, I was very heated as I felt that the culture of a scene I have been a part of for over 15 years was being threatened. I unfortunately used extreme examples in the heat of the moment and feel that my statements don’t actually communicate how I feel. This is similar to what people say when they get into an argument with their girlfriend, and they say things that they deeply regret. I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone. My statements do not reflect those of Capcom or myself. The last thing I want to do is get them in trouble for giving me and the fighting game community the opportunity to have an amazing show like this.

    What I was trying to communicate is that mild hostility has always been a defining characteristic of the fighting game scene. Back when arcades were more prevalent, people didn’t like newcomers, and players needed to fight and pay their dues to get respect. The debate I was in was with a person who supported professional leagues, who have intent to censor the community to make it more accessible. I think the sink or swim mentality is something that defined our culture, and if that succeeds it removes something which has been important to help create some of the best fighting game players of our time. I was unfortunately unable to make this point clearly. Again, I am deeply sorry for offending anyone. This was a combination of the people taking things out of context and my own inability in the heat of the moment to defend myself and the community I have loved for over 15 years.

    Aris

    Can't help but feel like he's full of shit! I can't be the only one who reads this and thinks that.

    Dude didn't change his behavior at all over the course of the week, the behavior backed up the statement. It sounds more like he's sorry that he said the shit he said. Sorry he 'got caught' in other words. "Mild hostility" as a "defining characteristic"? Give me a break.

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  • I Win SwordfightsI Win Swordfights fuck tough be coolRegistered User regular
    no yeah he's full of shit don't worry

    "This was a combination of the people taking things out of context and my own inability in the heat of the moment to defend myself and the community I have loved for over 15 years."

    you guys check it out it wasn't my fault and the only reason i said those things is because i love you guys so much

  • AretèAretè infiltrating neo zeed compoundRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Clearing a trial you are stuck on in umvc is quite satisfying; took your advice @Butters and decided hop onto trials and learn a character, so I gave Nova a whirl. Cleared the first six trials with him before getting super stuck on seven. Not sure who I want to try next, probably haggar, he is pretty fun.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    Is shit talking at all common among Japanese players?

    Because I already know I can point to plenty of people that are all in for the "mild hostility" who still suck at the games. I'd be curious if there's any substantiation for it fomenting better players. I appreciate that the American arcade scene was available to kids who were often social outcasts in all other respects. That was me for years and years until I changed high schools and could drive and then again after most of my friends went off to college and I went back to play MvC2. But I'm not sold on kids adopting all of the frustrations and social dominance normally directed at them as a valuable learning mechanism.

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  • Big Red TieBig Red Tie a crucified man can't be attached to anything elseRegistered User regular
    yes arete play nova yes

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  • Baroque And RollBaroque And Roll Registered User regular
    <3 wrote: »
    it anti airs

    and it hits behind him

    behind him
    st. H?

    seriously?

    Yes. I've been blown up by it a few times.

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  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    Is shit talking at all common among Japanese players?

    Because I already know I can point to plenty of people that are all in for the "mild hostility" who still suck at the games. I'd be curious if there's any substantiation for it fomenting better players. I appreciate that the American arcade scene was available to kids who were often social outcasts in all other respects. That was me for years and years until I changed high schools and could drive and then again after most of my friends went off to college and I went back to play MvC2. But I'm not sold on kids adopting all of the frustrations and social dominance normally directed at them as a valuable learning mechanism.
    I think people getting frustrated or overexcited is going to be part of the scene but in no way does that have to manifest itself as hostility to new people and sexual harassment.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    Not to mention...there is a difference between trash-talk and open hostility.

    Just that people have different levels of tolerance for it.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    He didn't actually apologize for the things he said or did

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  • fRAWRstfRAWRst Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    "Okay guys, I said those things because I enjoy saying them. Its terrible that they offended anyone, but fuck you, this is America. Also, this entire "scene" is based around me being able to say those things, so without it, you have Starcraft."

    I may be reading into it.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    He didn't actually apologize for the things he said or did

    I'm not disagreeing with you there. I just can't say I'm surprised. Really, it would have been better for him to just have not said anything, imo.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Is shit talking at all common among Japanese players?

    Because I already know I can point to plenty of people that are all in for the "mild hostility" who still suck at the games. I'd be curious if there's any substantiation for it fomenting better players. I appreciate that the American arcade scene was available to kids who were often social outcasts in all other respects. That was me for years and years until I changed high schools and could drive and then again after most of my friends went off to college and I went back to play MvC2. But I'm not sold on kids adopting all of the frustrations and social dominance normally directed at them as a valuable learning mechanism.

    But trash talking the competition is not even remotely unique to fighting games. Players talk trash to each other on courts and fields at all levels of play however spectators are typically insulated from the worst of it. I think the element to look at here is not trash talking between players (or at least players engaged in a match) as it is the peanut gallery. That's where the "Rape that bitch!" talk comes from that's what needs to be discouraged first.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Yeah. That's what I've been trying to argue myself. I don't think trash-talk is inherently bad(I actually think it's pretty awesome), but people need to get better at self-censoring and being much more self-aware.

    Like I don't agree with those people who talk like everything has to be clean, but I also don't agree with people who think they can say and do whatever they want. If that makes sense.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    There's one thing when you are talking trash during a match in order to make a person make mistakes.

    There's another thing when you are having conversation with people and are making them feel grossly uncomfortable.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    There's one thing when you are talking trash during a match in order to make a person make mistakes.

    There's another thing when you are having conversation with people and are making them feel grossly uncomfortable.

    Actually, I think trash-talking during matches is inappropriate too.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    I was commenting specifically on Aris' assertion that it "has been important to help create some of the best fighting game players of our time."

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    There's one thing when you are talking trash during a match in order to make a person make mistakes.

    There's another thing when you are having conversation with people and are making them feel grossly uncomfortable.

    Actually, I think trash-talking during matches is inappropriate too.

    If it's one competitor to another?

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    Which, really, has been an oft-repeated idea recently. I think trash talk can be fun. I do it on the mic sometimes. I don't even think you need to wall it off from the spectators if you can teach people to be even just a bit smarter about content and context. I just don't see it functionally contributing to a player's development, particularly where it extends outside of the game to the social environment.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    There's one thing when you are talking trash during a match in order to make a person make mistakes.

    There's another thing when you are having conversation with people and are making them feel grossly uncomfortable.

    Actually, I think trash-talking during matches is inappropriate too.

    If it's one competitor to another?

    Yeah. Basically. Like I think it's okay after a match or maybe even between matches. But when the fight is actually going on, that's kind of rude.

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    There's one thing when you are talking trash during a match in order to make a person make mistakes.

    There's another thing when you are having conversation with people and are making them feel grossly uncomfortable.

    Actually, I think trash-talking during matches is inappropriate too.

    If it's one competitor to another?

    If it's something like, "Ayo, you got a small dick for playin' faggot Deadpool," to a guy you don't know at a tournament, yeah...

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Which, really, has been an oft-repeated idea recently. I think trash talk can be fun. I do it on the mic sometimes. I don't even think you need to wall it off from the spectators if you can teach people to be even just a bit smarter about content and context. I just don't see it functionally contributing to a player's development, particularly where it extends outside of the game to the social environment.

    I will agree with this.

    Trash talking is not something that should go on between people new to the scene and experienced folk. It should not go on between the audience and the participants. It should not extend into the social setting beyond the match, unless it's a consensual thing that both people are doing in good fun.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I was commenting specifically on Aris' assertion that it "has been important to help create some of the best fighting game players of our time."

    Well it's not much of stretch to say that overcoming pressure situations makes you a better competitor. But that doesn't excuse all hostile behavior and also doesn't pertain to the type of behavior he is being criticized for. Justin Wong handles pressure well but not because anyone zoomed a camera in on his thighs or pinched his ass. Aris is clearly trying to shift the argument to a subject matter much more defensible by claiming he was taken out of context. Which he most certainly wasn't.

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  • Folken FanelFolken Fanel J.2C When's KoFRegistered User regular
    Trash talking among friends is my favorite thing.

    Definitely not doing it if I don't know the person.

  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    There's one thing when you are talking trash during a match in order to make a person make mistakes.

    There's another thing when you are having conversation with people and are making them feel grossly uncomfortable.

    Actually, I think trash-talking during matches is inappropriate too.

    If it's one competitor to another?

    If it's something like, "Ayo, you got a small dick for playin' faggot Deadpool," to a guy you don't know at a tournament, yeah...

    You see. That's what I mean about people not knowing the difference between trash-talking and just open hostility. Like I think what you said right there is pretty inappropriate in general.

    That being said, something like Noel Brown's "I'm the best in the world" routine is pretty entertaining(except when he gets in the guy's face from time to time). I mean I'm sure the other guy will be salty but for the most part it's just to generate hype.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Aretè wrote: »
    Clearing a trial you are stuck on in umvc is quite satisfying; took your advice @Butters and decided hop onto trials and learn a character, so I gave Nova a whirl. Cleared the first six trials with him before getting super stuck on seven. Not sure who I want to try next, probably haggar, he is pretty fun.

    Glad to hear it helped, @Aretè! Yeah mission 7 or 8 tends to be where it starts to get more difficult and less practical but do consider skipping and giving the next a try if you get stuck. I have a few characters that I've complete all but mission 7 or 8 because I considered that one to be more difficult personally.

    Nova is decent beginner character in my opinion in that he brings damage, not so difficult combos, and a high ceiling for potential. But he does have his caveats that you need to be familiar with when taking him into battle. You got to hammer his red life sacrifice mechanic in to your head pretty hard or you'll royally screw yourself over in battle.

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  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    Which, really, has been an oft-repeated idea recently. I think trash talk can be fun. I do it on the mic sometimes. I don't even think you need to wall it off from the spectators if you can teach people to be even just a bit smarter about content and context. I just don't see it functionally contributing to a player's development, particularly where it extends outside of the game to the social environment.

    To an extent I agree with you. For the most part, I don't think trash talk makes people better at all. I know it doesn't for me and I don't know any others who claim it has helped.

    That being said, I'm sure there's a small % where it helps motivate them..but it's not big enough to really overcome your point.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    Actually, now that I think about it, let me rephrase that.

    I'm not so much for trash-talk as I am for seeing people pop off. I love that stuff, it just so happens that it sometimes that will include a bit of trash talk.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Michael Jordan is the almost universally regarded as the greatest basketball player of all time and he was also one of most notorious trash talkers in the NBA. Getting into the head of your opponent be it with words or gestures is an age-old practice and there's no arguing that it has worked for and against many players/athletes across all forms of competition. I don't think arguing whether or not it has a place in fighting games is worthwhile as it is present in almost any type of contest.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    Oh, I agree with you there. I just think that there are different levels and people should be mindful how far they take it.

    In any competitive game, you will have your trash-talkers and you will have your people who say good game and such. I don't really think it needs to be actively suppressed(like I think the NFL fining players for showboating is goofy), but people should be mindful of it.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Fine but it's entirely besides the point as match related trash talking among competitors is not the issue here. It's the exclusionist actions and words of community figures and participants away from the joystick. I say again, Aris is trying to shift the debate towards something that is not at all what he was being criticized for.

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  • PandaryuPandaryu Registered User regular
    I love friendly trash talk. It encourages rivalries, which naturally creates stronger players. I trash talk my bro, and my friends who enjoy a good ribbing.

    Mildly hostile trash talk can work as well, but it works only on certain people. People take trash talk differently.

    New players would probably grow faster with encouragement instead. They probably wouldn't react well to trash talk. Because they're new, they would probably feel unsure of their skill level. I know I was this way when I first played. I doubt new players would feel the urge to beat their trash talker senseless. I'd feel discouraged from playing more than anything.

    People who are very competitive, and are sure of their skill level will likely take trash talk well. I know I'd enjoy bodying my trash talker.

    But yeah, people need to be mindful of what they say.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    Ah. I see what you're trying to say.

    Yeah, that's why I think his apology was stupid. He was a dick and basically his response has been "But my friends are cool with it" when actual response has been mixed at best. I really don't like the whole thing because he's not owning up to anything and just trying to shift blame.

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    Not to mention, putting people on tilt is just plain fun

  • BizazedoBizazedo Registered User regular
    I just realized Annie and I have like one of the better connections online I've experienced in marvel.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I'm tired of talking about this. Hey, @Big Red Tie, I noticed you had trouble with your Dante BnB last night. Apparently some things have changed with Dante and his vanilla BnB's aren't as reliable. Have you seen this?



    Basically he's replacing the post-volcano air play with killer bee and moving into S, clay pigeon, prop shredder, sjc, hammer, etc. I don't know what the damage is but it looks like something that'd be a lot more reliable especially online.

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