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[Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning] DLC on March 20th! Info in OP.

John ZoidbergJohn Zoidberg Registered User regular
edited February 2012 in Games and Technology
Update 28/1/12: Firstly, the games demo is out on just about everything available so go and get it! You get a solid chunk of the games start and then 45 minutes to explore around the place. It's well worth it and will give you some free stuff in ME3 if you are into that. What's to lose frankly?

Online Pass: Yes the game uses an online pass, which grants you access to seven extra quests if you buy the game new and this is what the community manager for Big Huge Games had to say about it.
Yes, at the time that was all I was aware of for the Online Pass. As of last night, I got the info that this would be included, and was in the process of writing up some info about it (my usual FAQ's and the like).

As a few others have mentioned, this is bonus content. It doesn't impact the main storyline, and is free to anyone who purchases the game new and uses the Online Pass that comes packaged with the XBox 360 and Playstation 3 version. For the PC versions (purchased via Origin, Steam, or at a retailer), everyone will automatically have access to the bonus content. (For the latter, the registration code for the game is for everything including the bonus content.)

So there you go. If seven quests in a massive game like this incenses you so much that you won't buy this excellent game, then well, what could I possibly say to that in the first place?

Oh yeah the game is totally out soon so go and buy it! Unfortunately though, it comes out before the ME3 demo and playing the ME3 demo will unlock some free stuff in the full game of Kingdoms of Amalur, which is a bit off timing wise. But free stuff is good!

Old OP

So very recently (yesterday in fact) I was able to go to a community event held by IGN Australia at their Sydney offices to play a game called Kingdom of Amalur: Reckoning, an open world action RPG. Having seen only a few screenshots of the game and having no real clue what it was, I decided to just enter their competition to see the game on a whim, not really expecting to win. I was pretty happy when I actually was accepted! Free swag and food was a good deal, but best of all I could even invite one of my friends to the event, which was just awesome of them IMO. However, I didn't actually know anything about this game before going other than it was an "action RPG". Having a look on these forums, I didn't really see much mention of the game and that surprised me quite a bit. A cursory look at screens reminded me of the game being a lot like Fable in many ways - but hopefully without the disappointment that goes with that (Fable III was a real let down) - so I expected more interest in it here.

None the less, I will still highly excited and eager for the 2nd of december to roll around when the event was being held. It was attended by about 30ish people or so, including a bunch of doods from IGN and two of the developers of the game from Big Huge Games (38 Studios), Sean Bean (Producer) and Ian S. Frazier (Lead Designer). It was really great being able to hang out with these guys, especially the developers who were really quite approachable to talk about their game (and game design in general). They didn't seem to mind my general comparison (which I'll bring up more later) of it reminding me rather of Fable III, but with a much better combat engine.

So before getting into the game, here are some screenshots so you can kind of see where I am coming from (Spoiler'ed for being huge):
Spoiler:

And here are a couple of trailers to further whet your appetite;




Here is a large gameplay trailer that explains various things about the game - including a few elements that I glossed over below:


So of course this event wasn't just standing around talking to my fellow gamers, but actually being able to sit down and play it. It's being released on the PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 next year in February (9th?), but I was only able to see the Xbox 360 version of the game. I would say in total I probably got about 30 minutes in total with the game, because there were only the five consoles there. This actually wasn't too bad though, because everyone got a decent go at the game and my fellow Aussie gamers were really friendly so plenty of sharing. So what is this game actually about? Well it's a lot like Fable, but this general description would be going it a large disservice as it is far more detailed than Fable is. It's more fair to say this game has a lot of different RPGs blended in with it, which forms a rather interesting whole instead of feeling like it's been cobbled together. In short it has some promise.

At it's most basic description this is a very big looking open world RPG, which blends a decent skill based combat system and a very large amount of different quests. The world the game is set in was originally written by RA. Salvatore (Of Icewind Dale and Dropping Moons on Chewbacca fame) for a MMORPG, but they had such a long detailed time line that they decided to make a more single player orientated open world RPG set in it as well. So starting off, I didn't get to see what character creation options you get, but there were male/female options at least (on different consoles). I think the developers said you could be other races as well, but I'm not 100% certain of that. In terms of making your character, there are a few interesting options broken down between skills, your core "class" and destinies. Skills encompass what your character can do, including finding hidden items, seeing enemies from quite a distance away on your minimap, improving your lockpicking/magic disarming, improving your alchemy and such forth. You also have three main "trees" of abilities that give you different powers and set what kind of overall class you are. A brawler tree gives you direct damage increases to weapons like hammers, swords and a power that let you drag enemies towards you. While there is a sorcery tree that specializes in magic spells (fireballs, ice and such forth) and lastly your rogue tree, improving backstabbing power, archery, traps and so forth. Pretty standard RPG fare - but presented and executed very well.

The final part of the character system is that based on how many points you put into the various trees, you can pick up different destiny cards (like tarot cards a bit), which further give you bonuses. These cards have better 'upgrades', which you unlock by investing points into one of the three main ability trees. So "Warrior II" requires you to have at least 11 points invested in the Brawler tree, with the card vastly boosting various abilities to do with hitting people in the face. While "Rogue II" lets you modify your bows, improve your backstab damage and so on. Overall there is a fair amount of depth and customizability to this system, while not being terribly punishing if you want to make a bit of a hybrid of a rogue/warrior (for example). One thing I did appreciate is that the game does make what your choices have done pretty obvious. While playing the game, I invested points into the search skill, which lets me find hidden objects and loot more gold off corpses. Once I looted some gold from something, the game broke down what gold I got normally and how much extra I got from the skill: removing the guess work in figuring out what the hell it was doing.

There is also a crafting system in the game as I mentioned from the alchemy skill above. Improving your crafting skills improves the kinds of items you get for the associated crafting and improves the items you craft. I didn't get time to see how this actually worked in game, so I can't give any comment on that beyond my cursory observations that it was there. One nice idea is that you can break down equipment you find to get their components out. So if you find a really nice frost hammer, but don't use that weapon at all you can break it out and get the frost items out to improve what you are using. I quite approved of that idea.

When I got my hands on the game first, I had taken over from another guy playing on the console before me and more or less dropped right into a boss battle. You can imagine that's quite the introduction to a game that you've never seen before! Thankfully the combat system apes some of the best mechanics from other good action games, that I slotted right into a good rhythm and it rewarded the skill I've developed from playing tons of other action games. Like other action games, you can press the attack button with different timing to produce different results and gain new combat moves (with different weapons) by leveling up the requisite bralwer/rogue/mage trees. As a basic example if you want new moves with your longsword you need to invest points into the brawler tree, while the rogue (finesse I think it's called now I think of it) tree gives you new moves with daggers. You can roll at whim, with one of the rogue skills I noticed giving you damage reduction while you are rolling as well. There is a slight delay on rolling, so you do have to learn to predict enemies attacks and make sure you aren't attacking yourself to roll. Enemies do have obvious "tells" on their attacks and one ability was like a "hook" ala Scorpion from Mortal combat. To my delight, I discovered if you used it with good timing just as an enemy would attack it cancels their attack and drags them out of position, allowing you to get further free hits. As well as being able to roll you can also block, with good blocking being able to negate an enemies attack entirely and leave them stunned for an attack.

I could describe more, but the basic point is that the combat system is deep enough and interesting enough to be really fun. There are several difficulty levels, the game I was playing was on normal and it can get fairly challenging in some fights. I noticed numerous encounters with a variety of different ranged and melee enemies, with the hook ability being extremely useful to drag a ranged enemy right up to your face and manage mobs to your advantage. As I didn't get to see later abilities - we only saw a tiny fraction of the first area of the game - I don't know how this progresses, but it certainly had enough depth on my first impression to make me want more. In fact, I found the combat so fun that I am really wanting to play the game right now as fighting things was a real joy. Ultimately in a game this big that is a really good thing.

Let me assure you, from what I saw the developers claims of it being something in the order of ~200 hours of content if you do much of the side stuff along the way with the main story could well be pretty true. In the time we were playing the game, I only saw maybe 1/10th of the first zone of the game and the world looked huge. Where I compare this game with Fable, is that the over world is really very large but is spread out with relatively narrow paths, with larger areas containing villages, larger ruins and such, as opposed to the open expanses of land like Skyrim. Like Fable, there are separate caves and such across from that you can go into as well, adding even further areas onto the already expansive main map. Generally speaking, there weren't a lot of load screens and most of the surface areas were pretty substantial in size. Load times were pretty quick, although I did notice some minor FPS drops when entering newer areas - so I assume its streaming the majority of its content as you run around. Overall it's not going to be something you notice as it's actually a very pretty game, with each of the five areas having its own identifiable landscape and art. Exploration is definitely a key aspect of the game, with lots of secret items, nooks and crannies if you do so. In another thing that reminded me instantly of Fable II/III, is that swimming in water has specific points with bubbles you can dive down at to find hidden things.

Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the game came when I started talking to the various NPCs in the world that I encountered. Unlike what I expected of an open world RPG like this, there is a surprisingly deep conversation system in place. With many NPCs, you have a more 'old school' style of conversation choice, with a list of topics that frequently goes into a Mass Effect/Dragon Age II like conversation wheel. Very often, the list of topics are just for information, while the dialog wheel is used for individual choices like threatening the NPC, asking for more information, making choices (more on this later) and deciding to accept/deny a quest. One early example was I met an NPC who my character had interacted with in the beginning, I was able to let them live, threaten them for more money or simply tell them how much I hated them and cut their head off. It is pretty basic choice wise, but for the sheer amount of stuff in the game in the game it was impressive to at least have the options. Another example I encountered later was an idiot "priest" who got duped by a mischievous elf. At a certain point in the quest, I got an option to support the elf or the human in question with presumably different results based on those choices. Best of all, all of this dialog is spoken and apparently there is a lot of dialog (As I gleaned from talking to Sean Bean). I encountered at least 7-8 quests near the beginning of the game and only had time for a couple, but if they maintain a few choices per quest that is a lot of variation.

Oh and the main villain of the game? He's voiced by the guy who does the voice of Winnie the Pooh. Not in Winnie the Pooh's voice of course, but you know D:

This brings me to a feature I really appreciated and that's the ability to kill whoever you feel like. Like in Fable (again, I can't help but compare it to Fable in many ways) you can set your character to turn their "safety" off and target non-hostile NPCs with a push of the up button on the d-pad. You can use this to gain a sucker punch on people, murder them for their stuff or just create general havok and mayhem. Although the game does use a "quest essential" system like Oblivion for its main quest NPCs, you can murder whoever you like and if you kill someone offering a quest - too bad. Thankfully this system is designed well enough if you use the quick potion button, which is left on the d-pad you can't accidentally turn off the safety and slaughter an NPC you are escorting on a quest by mistake (as it doesn't target allies during a quest). You shouldn't feel bad about that, as I tested once a quest is finished if you felt particularly homicidal to him you can just murder them afterwards. Like in Fable - again sorry for the comparison but it's just so apt! - if someone sees you committing a crime guards will attempt to arrest you. Your choices are hard time in prison, paying a fine or plain resisting arrest. Resisting arrest is naturally the correct option, but it does get very overwhelming very fast. But like with other great open world RPGs that let you do what you want like Skyrim, Fallout and such forth if you feel like cleansing the land of civilized life this game lets you do it - if that is your thing.

Overall I was left with a really good impression of the game and I just wanted to keep playing it - very good sign! Perhaps my only reservation with the game is that with its considerable length, how repetitive quests may feel and how they will keep it from feeling repetitive. At the same time, the combat system is engaging and deep enough, that it will probably be good fun to stab things well into the long length that the game purports to offer. While I didn't know about the game before I got my hands on it - an unusual circumstance - I was pretty keen on it and if you like action RPGs (and were like me, disappointed with Fable III) I think it's more than worth a look. If there are any questions I can answer, I'll try to answer them but bear in mind I didn't get a big look at the game beyond early elements.

So I really enjoyed playing the game and I'm very much looking forward to when it comes out. Also, I totally scored a T-shirt and free tickets to see some movies in my free swag at the end of the night. Most rewarding!

Downloadable Content:

Featuring a mysterious tale of intrigue, danger and dark magic on the island of Gallows End, players will encounter shadowy characters and new enemies, and will experience a host of new side quests, treacherous battles and exciting new challenges. The Legend of Dead Kel gives players access to Gallows End, a gigantic new continent to explore where players claim ownership of a vast personal estate and experience new weapons, Twists of Fate and other perks against new enemies.

The Legend of Dead Kel DLC and the story of Gallows End will feature:

An Epic New Questline — The Legend of Dead Kel is only part of the story of Gallows End. It intertwines with numerous side quests, multiple dungeons to explore and a colorful cast of characters
New Enemies, Dungeons, Items — Multiple new enemies and enemy variants, a new dungeon type: Dverga Fastings, three new Twists of Fate, eight new armor sets, eight new shields and 18 new unique weapons
The Ultimate Player Housing — Gravehal Keep is more than just player housing, it's a massive estate with multiple buildings and a full retinue of retainers, each with their own back stories, side quests, perks and quirks
Tons more to Explore — The Legend of Dead Kel DLC adds in more than 15% of additional land to traverse and explore in the already massively expansive world that is Amalur

The Legend of Dead Kel will be available starting on March 20, 2012 on Xbox Live, PlayStation Network, Origin and Steam.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/02/29/the-legend-of-dead-kel-expands-amalur-by-15/

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias Registered User regular
    So...what's the W word?

  • John ZoidbergJohn Zoidberg Registered User regular
    Thanks to Aegeri for the OP from the old thread.

    I just finished up the Mass Effect 3 demo and was disappointed to find the Omniblades don't scale to a higher character level. 21 damage for a level 38 :(

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  • John ZoidbergJohn Zoidberg Registered User regular
    I would mention it but it would give Klyka an aneurysm.
    Spoiler:

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    Hay guize!

    I really like WoW and I herd this was just like WoW and it started out as a MMO just like WoW, do you think I'd like playing it?

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    It's more like TOR, but with hammers.

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  • John ZoidbergJohn Zoidberg Registered User regular
    I think I just heard the sound of Germanic screaming.

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  • RozRoz Let the Storm follow Nap TimeRegistered User regular
    I heard WoW was one of the most financially successful and widely played games of all time.

    A shame that being compared to it these days, means that your game is unispired, bland, and derivitive.

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    If the Fiora rework actually makes her play like a fencer I will never select another champion ever again.
  • John ZoidbergJohn Zoidberg Registered User regular
    My Finesse lady is shaping up nicely so far. Having great fun clearing an area of dudes without being noticed by a single one. I also have a new found appreciation for the Shadow Crystals that got immediately junked on my old Might character.

    I don't think I will ever tire of the Jottun backstab animation.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    Roz wrote:
    I heard WoW was one of the most financially successful and widely played games of all time.

    A shame that being compared to it these days, means that your game is unispired, bland, and derivitive.

    It's the cardinal rule of the internet man; anything that is popular is automatically shit.

    I'm looking forward to after this weekend when the holiday is done in WoW and I should have 1000/1000'd FFXIII-2 and I can finally put time into this.

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    Roz wrote:
    I heard WoW was one of the most financially successful and widely played games of all time.

    A shame that being compared to it these days, means that your game is unispired, bland, and derivitive.

    It's the cardinal rule of the internet man; anything that is popular is automatically shit.

    I'm looking forward to after this weekend when the holiday is done in WoW and I should have 1000/1000'd FFXIII-2 and I can finally put time into this.

    I will probably be finishing this until ME3 comes out, if not later. After all that, I might pick up FFXIII-2, it sounds like it is pretty good from perusing the FF thread.

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  • RozRoz Let the Storm follow Nap TimeRegistered User regular
    edited February 2012
    It's the cardinal rule of the internet man; anything that is popular is automatically shit.

    I'm looking forward to after this weekend when the holiday is done in WoW and I should have 1000/1000'd FFXIII-2 and I can finally put time into this.


    I think you'll really enjoy this. If you enjoyed WoW....etc, etc.

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  • milk ducksmilk ducks Registered User regular
    So, I usually just do Call of Duty commentary, but I'm absolutely loving this game, so I wanted to do something for it, too. I didn't write a script or anything, which is something I normally do. This is just totally off the cuff, lol, so forgive me if it's not fantastic. I just figured I'd post it and see what you guys think.

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  • KlykaKlyka DO you have any SPARE BATTERIES?Registered User regular
    This entire thread....

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    So that's weird; I see "purchasable" equipment packs in the game menu, but when I click purchase it just takes me to the Reckoning Origin page and there's nothing mentioned re: these things.

    EDIT: Apparently DLC in Origin is listed as separate games entirely.

    That's...incredibly stupid.

    EDIT2: no one buy the equipment pack.

    It's just like all the other "starter" DLC in that it's really not very good and you'll replacing it very fast. In fact the Might armor isn't even as good as Shepards Armor. The weapons are ok for a brand new character but that's it. I guess the Greatsword is decent since it has a leech but ugh.

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  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    Someone said you could salvage stolen gear...the gear with the red hand on it? At a blacksmith bench in a blacksmithy? I can't seem to do it. It doesn't show up in my list of gear (it's the basic gray stuff).

    I'm sure I just did it exactly the same as the other stuff, at the crafting bench. You're not trying to salvage a peasent's shirt or someting are you?

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  • BasilBasil Registered User regular
    It's basically WoW with a sprint button, when you get right down to it.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    After playing the demo, I think I'll be getting this the moment the price drops on Steam, whether in general or by sale.

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  • AtaxrxesAtaxrxes Cursed EarthRegistered User regular
    Has anybody tried a Bow/Chakram build? I wonder if that would even work...I may have some sperimentin' to do.

  • milk ducksmilk ducks Registered User regular
    I think it'd absolutely, yeah. My wife is a Might character, but she uses Chakrams as her primary weapon. They're great for AoE, and they're just all-around awesome, but I use Longbows and I can definitely see some of the limitations of the Chakrams. Bows would cover them well, as far as I'm concerned. Let us know how it turns out.

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  • mojojoeomojojoeo Ghost dog at my side.Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Im stuck in a travelers line quest set in the forbidden vault.

    I have cleared the place and done my goal- quest says to leave but the exit is off the map. HELP MEeeeeeeeeee.

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  • SyrionusSyrionus Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Basil wrote:
    It's basically WoW with a sprint button, when you get right down to it.

    Played for 5 minutes huh? Try getting out of the tutorial dungeon before making silly statements like this. It has some resemblence to WoW but offers so much more.
    mojojoeo wrote:
    Im stuck in a travelers line quest set in the forbidden vault.

    I have cleared the place and done my goal- quest says to leave but the exit is off the map. HELP MEeeeeeeeeee.

    You can zoom out the map. Plus sometimes you have to guess where to go. The ring gives a general direction to figure out whether you are going in the right way.

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  • mojojoeomojojoeo Ghost dog at my side.Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Syrionus wrote:
    Basil wrote:
    It's basically WoW with a sprint button, when you get right down to it.

    Played for 5 minutes huh? Try getting out of the tutorial dungeon before making silly statements like this. It has some resemblence to WoW but offers so much more.
    mojojoeo wrote:
    Im stuck in a travelers line quest set in the forbidden vault.

    I have cleared the place and done my goal- quest says to leave but the exit is off the map. HELP MEeeeeeeeeee.

    You can zoom out the map. Plus sometimes you have to guess where to go. The ring gives a general direction to figure out whether you are going in the right way.

    nope game was bugged. had to back track an old save and this time the point was on the map.

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  • Mostlyjoe13Mostlyjoe13 Semiaquatic Suburban Subtropical Wasteland aka. FloridaRegistered User regular
    Chakrams are quite good at keeping foes off of you if you have a weapon that takes focus. Like say Staves, Long Swords, or Hammers. Just break your combo and toss the chakrams to disrupt the incoming attack and go back to wailing.

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  • V FactionV Faction Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Ataxrxes wrote:
    Has anybody tried a Bow/Chakram build? I wonder if that would even work...I may have some sperimentin' to do.
    How about trying a Chakram/Sceptre build?

    Aside from the synergy you get from both being in the Sorcery tree, Sceptres are like magical bows. They run completely off of your mana and are influenced by elemental damage. Because it's based on your mana and not an ammo counter like Bows, you're free to spam it like crazy. And if you're doubling up in Chakrams, once you've exhausted your mana you can switch right back into them whilst your mana regenerates. They have the fastest Rate-of-Fire in the game I believe, so switching too and fro on the fly works great as a mix-up game. Or you can charge it up--one behind the shield for a shotgun-like effect and one without the shield for a rifle-like effect.

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  • Mostlyjoe13Mostlyjoe13 Semiaquatic Suburban Subtropical Wasteland aka. FloridaRegistered User regular
    Can't you MIRV the Scepter blasts too?

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    Syrionus wrote:
    Basil wrote:
    It's basically WoW with a sprint button, when you get right down to it.

    Played for 5 minutes huh? Try getting out of the tutorial dungeon before making silly statements like this. It has some resemblence to WoW but offers so much more.

    :rotate:

    He was making a joke, man.

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  • AtaxrxesAtaxrxes Cursed EarthRegistered User regular
    V Faction wrote:
    Ataxrxes wrote:
    Has anybody tried a Bow/Chakram build? I wonder if that would even work...I may have some sperimentin' to do.
    How about trying a Chakram/Sceptre build?

    Aside from the synergy you get from both being in the Sorcery tree, Sceptres are like magical bows. They run completely off of your mana and are influenced by elemental damage. Because it's based on your mana and not an ammo counter like Bows, you're free to spam it like crazy. And if you're doubling up in Chakrams, once you've exhausted your mana you can switch right back into them whilst your mana regenerates. They have the fastest Rate-of-Fire in the game I believe, so switching too and fro on the fly works great as a mix-up game. Or you can charge it up--one behind the shield for a shotgun-like effect and one without the shield for a rifle-like effect.

    I wasn't really feeling the scepters in the demo. I haven't tried them in the full game though. There are too many builds and styles I want to try, I'll be playing this game forever.

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Sceptres are pretty bad in my experience.

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  • SyrionusSyrionus Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Figgy wrote:
    Figgy wrote:
    Syrionus wrote:
    Figgy wrote:
    87.5 hours. I'm calling BS on the designer saying it took a QA person 200 hours to speed run 100%.

    No way, no how.

    I can see it reaching that level. RPG's, as a general rule, to begin with are a "vary by mileage" genre. There is so much to do. I find side quests in the most oddest of places. So, I can see people missing quite a bit of them.

    You think he somehow just missed over 110 hours of content there? And, you think he was going at a speed relative to one of the QA testers? Keeping in mind those guys basically play the game over and over and over until they see skill trees in their sleep?

    Perhaps that 100%, 200 hour thing could possibly come from talking to every NPC about everything that comes up in the conversation list.

    I also love that I could, essentially, talk to any named NPC about, essentially, anything and get their opinion on it. It's pretty neat. It's a neat game.

    Nope. I'm not going to go digging for the quote. You can google "200 hours kingdoms frazier" if you want to check, but that figure is on easy, skipping all dialogue and cut scenes, fast traveling as much as possible, and sprinting whenever possible. And skipping combat unless you have to fight.

    It's a completely bullshit number. A normal, 100% play through would take like 400 hours if that were the case. That figure is so far exaggerated it's almost insulting. Not that what's actually there isn't enough content, but to outright lie in an interview? It's not even a casual remark about the length of the game. It's a full-blown paragraph, describing a speed run that very likely never even happened.

    Edit: As far as "around 130 hand-crafted dungeons," is that true? He says no two are alike. And it takes 30 minutes to sprint across the entire world, if that were possible to do so?

    There is so much in this game. It's impossible, even as a QA tester, to remember where everything is. You are going to have to search at least 10% to find everything. I have hard time believing you 100% this game in 87.5 hours. Beat it, yes; 100%; no way. Screen or it didn't happen.
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    It's basically WoW with a sprint button, when you get right down to it.

    Played for 5 minutes huh? Try getting out of the tutorial dungeon before making silly statements like this. It has some resemblence to WoW but offers so much more.

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    He was making a joke, man.

    My bad. I see why some people do not prefer certain aspects of the game but too many people are screaming it is too much like Insert Game Here as if it's an insult or something. There is a reason why people loved those games.

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  • Gaming-FreakGaming-Freak Registered User regular
    captaink wrote:
    Sceptres are pretty bad in my experience.

    Yeah... They always have a fraction of the Chakram's power. I suppose there's merit to the fact that you can rapid-fire it and charge shot it from a distance... but it eats away your mana, and late in the game, your mana is better used towards ass-kicking spells than a mediocre pew-pew rod.

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  • BevilrBevilr Registered User regular
    Syrionus wrote:

    *snip*

    There is so much in this game. It's impossible, even as a QA tester, to remember where everything is. You are going to have to search at least 10% to find everything. I have hard time believing you 100% this game in 87.5 hours. Beat it, yes; 100%; no way. Screen or it didn't happen.

    I'd love to see a screen as well, but I'm going to have to agree with Figgy and I'm barely 45 hours in. I'm not running a 100% game, but to me, the ability to just pick up a quest from anyone with a marker on their head in seconds by skipping all the dialog means a lot. Since all your quests markers (active or not) show up you can blaze through towns picking up quests, and then only do them as you get to the relevant area. Couple that with fast travel and you can just cruise through areas picking up or completing quests, then travel back to finish/update them. I would say if you did every quest from start to finish one at a time, 200 hours seems like a reasonable time, but from what I've seen 200 for a real deal speed run seems way off.

  • borkbork Registered User regular
    Oh, I almost forgot - question about Canneroc, Houses, and Evil Chicks (spoiling just to be safe):
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    I had the same problem.
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    Really enjoying it overall. Definitely feels very easy in general, even on hard. I'm thinking that I might have to be more selective about the side quests I pick up, to avoid out-levelling the main story line, and leaving some things to do on subsequent playthroughs..

  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    Are we really caring about only getting 90 hours in a game? Yeah, if that's actually true, to completely 100% it (and I'm sure its not for everyone), that makes the 200 hour claim off.

    But people.

    90 hours.

    People are upset that they only got 90 hours out of a game?

    Really?

    Because. Uh...lets be reasonable folks. You're lucky to get 10 hours from a full priced game these days. 100+ jaunts like Skyrim or Fallout 3 or hell, this are so far from the norm that we should be praising a game that provides minimum 90 hours of good content.

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  • GriswoldGriswold (a superset of all possible mathematics) (his body disintegrated)Registered User regular
    So, the Warsworn quest line is pretty cool. I'm through the Eamonn Isles quest.

    Also, holy shit is Relentless Assault just unreasonably broken.


  • MorninglordMorninglord Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Missing the point Dude. They care because they believe they have been lied to.

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  • mojojoeomojojoeo Ghost dog at my side.Registered User regular
    Griswold wrote:
    So, the Warsworn quest line is pretty cool. I'm through the Eamonn Isles quest.

    Also, holy shit is Relentless Assault just unreasonably broken.

    Oh yes it is. So is Exp booster -> Activate Fate -> smoke bomb to stealth -> execute. Kills most bosses multiplying the xp greatly.

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  • Moridin889Moridin889 Registered User regular
    So I finally beat the boss I was having trouble with. Took 15 tries to get the execute option to load. Up until then no bugs (post rathir so pretty decently far along) Now I just have to get this main quest guy to load :p

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Missing the point Dude. They care because they believe they have been lied to.

    People have been lied to about how long games are since games have been made. Granted, 200 hours is pretty egregious, but it was just an offhand comment. It's not on the box or anything.

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  • BasilBasil Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    I was forced to purchase this game at gunpoint by a man with the number two hundred branded into his forehead.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    captaink wrote:
    Missing the point Dude. They care because they believe they have been lied to.

    People have been lied to about how long games are since games have been made. Granted, 200 hours is pretty egregious, but it was just an offhand comment. It's not on the box or anything.

    Yeah, this more or less.

    Shit, there have been games (granted, not for awhile), usually JRPG's, that did claim things like "80 hours!", on their box, and then the game was like 30. Time estimates have always been mostly bullshit. I will readily accept that saying 200 and getting 100 is a pretty gross exaggeration; but to view it as "I've been lied to" is, in my own personal view, pretty over dramatic.

    Plus, has anyone actually 100%'d the game to know for sure? One dude claimed he did everything in the game with that time; but has it been verified? Has anyone else done it? How long would a normal person take to do these things? I mean, someone could beat Skyrim in 40 hours and claim the game is super short, while someone else might have 200 hours played and haven't even beaten it yet. There are so many factors here that play into game length.

    I'm not defending the 200 hours thing. For a dev to actually claim that a speed run took 200 hours for any game is pretty patently absurd to begin with. It's too bad that shit got carried and touted, but what is worse is that people are letting it effect how much they enjoy a game that is providing 10x more play time, at least, than the vast majority of modern games.

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