There is zero credibility to the statement that "women can't handle combat". The Soviet Army would like to have a word with you if you believe that.
Also, isn't PTSD proof that men can't handle it either? Fuck, unless you're a cyborg, living every day for years in the desert never knowing if today's the day your convoy gets turned into scrap by an IED or a bullet finds your vitals, you are going to be a little fucked up mentally regardless of your sex.
I love this...its so delicious. I have a picture of all the Republicans, on a sinking ship, and Darrel Issa is the commander of a lifeboat yelling "FREE SEATS!!!"......the lifeboat is swarmed and they all drown.
I cant shake my head hard enough.....yes, why would we want to cause insurance companies, who already charge women of child bearing age AND their employers a higher premium due to the risk of pregnancy, why would we also force them to provide a preventative service at no cost, and which will very likely SAVE them money in the long run, as it is fuck expensive to have a kid and most BC costs 30$ a month..
Republicans, for the most part, have already completely alienated almost every moderate they had.
Plenty of women have seen combat in Iraq/Afghanistan. I think we can put this retarded "women can't emotionally handle the stress of combat" notion aside.
Which is pretty much what the Pentagon said too. Modern warfare makes the concept of the "front lines" really meaningless. Women are in the military and are seeing combat because combat is everywhere in the warzone. Pretending otherwise is just going to leave female soldiers with inadequate training.
Eh, the are things to be learned from Iraq/Afghanistan but those were very asymmetrical conflicts. If we had a conventional war with, say, China... it would be completely different. That's to be expected.
Military actions (outside of the 2-3 week period it took the US to absolutely crush the Iraqi military) have been very asymmetric and are not representative of what most military expect out of another conventional war. However, you can make the case that no other country will ever try to fight the US in a conventional war as that is where our overwhelming strength is. But, that is a debate for another thread.
This is about "women can't emotionally withhold the rigors of combat" and that's complete bullshit. Santorum is an ass and the fact that he never even served yet he feels he can speak with confidence about that exacerbates the problem even more.
We're not going to have another huge land war anytime soon. any such conflict carries too much risk of going nuclear
Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?
Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.
Mitchell: Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that, Mr. Friess, frankly.
I think I'm just going to quote The Simpsons.
We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.
Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
I expected better out of Mitchell..... No, not "I'm sorry I just need to catch my breath from that." ....You need to say "Im sorry, I dint realize you were drunk. Because clearly that is the only excuse for saying that if its so terribly expensive for contraceptives that women should go back to putting bayer aspirin between their legs..."
Can we call that Virginia bill government rape? Let's be accurate.
Fuck, I hate these people.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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Let's start a letter writing campaign to Lotta. Instead of writing letters, we can past her face on print outs of rape porn, with the message, "Let me know when you've had enough."
In all seriousness, how the fuck did she get into Columbia?
Is that what he's trying to say? Cause I'm having difficulty parsing a logical theme between each section of that quote
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?
Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.
Mitchell: Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that, Mr. Friess, frankly.
Just so I'm clear... When he says "put it between their knees" is that a euphemism for putting it in their vagina?
Plus, there are plenty of physiological differences that make women (as a population) more suited to certain tasks performed by the military than men, so just selecting certain aspects of physical strength is cherry-picking.
Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?
Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.
Mitchell: Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that, Mr. Friess, frankly.
Just so I'm clear... When he says "put it between their knees" is that a euphemism for putting it in their vagina?
That's what I assumed since it's the only way it makes even the slightest bit of sense.
I expected better out of Mitchell..... No, not "I'm sorry I just need to catch my breath from that." ....You need to say "Im sorry, I dint realize you were drunk. Because clearly that is the only excuse for saying that if its so terribly expensive for contraceptives that women should go back to putting bayer aspirin between their legs..."
How does he know what they used to put in between women's legs to keep from getting pregnant?
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?
Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.
Mitchell: Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that, Mr. Friess, frankly.
Just so I'm clear... When he says "put it between their knees" is that a euphemism for putting it in their vagina?
That's what I assumed since it's the only way it makes even the slightest bit of sense.
Which is still about 0.00000000164% of sense.
It means that for it to work they need to keep their knees together =/
Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?
Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.
Mitchell: Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that, Mr. Friess, frankly.
Just so I'm clear... When he says "put it between their knees" is that a euphemism for putting it in their vagina?
That's what I assumed since it's the only way it makes even the slightest bit of sense.
Which is still about 0.00000000164% of sense.
Thinkprogress suggests that "Given that Aspirin is not a contraceptive, Friess seems to be suggesting that women keep the pill between their knees in order to ensure they legs stay closed to prevent having sex. Conspicuously, Friess doesn’t put the same burden on men." Reagan apparently said the same thing.
Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?
Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.
Mitchell: Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that, Mr. Friess, frankly.
Just so I'm clear... When he says "put it between their knees" is that a euphemism for putting it in their vagina?
That's what I assumed since it's the only way it makes even the slightest bit of sense.
Which is still about 0.00000000164% of sense.
It means that for it to work they need to keep their knees together =/
Mitchell: Do you have any concerns about some of his comments on social issues, contraception, about women in combat, and whether that would hurt his general election campaign would he be the nominee?
Friess: I get such a chuckle when these things come out. Here we have millions of our fellow Americans unemployed, we have jihadist camps being set up in Latin America, which Rick has been warning about, and people seem to be so preoccupied with sex. I think it says something about our culture. We maybe need a massive therapy session so we can concentrate on what the real issues are. And this contraceptive thing, my gosh, it’s such inexpensive. Back in my day, they used Bayer aspirin for contraceptives. The gals put it between their knees and it wasn’t that costly.
Mitchell: Excuse me, I’m just trying to catch my breath from that, Mr. Friess, frankly.
Just so I'm clear... When he says "put it between their knees" is that a euphemism for putting it in their vagina?
That's what I assumed since it's the only way it makes even the slightest bit of sense.
Which is still about 0.00000000164% of sense.
Nope! You're over-thinking things.
He's saying they kept their legs shut.
Good 'ol fashioned slut-shaming up ins.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
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Plus, there are plenty of physiological differences that make women (as a population) more suited to certain tasks performed by the military than men, so just selecting certain aspects of physical strength is cherry-picking.
All the way to page 2 without a fact check for the OP?
Issa's hearing was convened to talk about Constitutional issues surrounding Obama's order. It wasn't about contraception issues. Basically you got played - sold on the grandstanding because it feeds your narrative. Either that, or you're intentionally spreading misinformation to promote an agenda...
The Administration's actions have forced us to confront a more fundamental question about the proper role of government in our lives.
This hearing is about basic question of religious freedom, and whether or not protection will be afforded to religious institutions who wish to follow their conscience in refusing to pay for products they find morally objectionable.
All the way to page 2 without a fact check for the OP?
Issa's hearing was convened to talk about Constitutional issues surrounding Obama's order. It wasn't about contraception issues.
I've got a bridge to sell you.
It appears pretty clear from the link, the text info, and from the testimony in the hearing. But, if you want to argue that you know the true reason, and you take evidence to the contrary as proof that you were right all along, I guess there's no discussion to be had.
Issa's hearing was convened to talk about Constitutional issues surrounding Obama's order. It wasn't about contraception issues.
Any serious discussion of the constitutional or religious issues will require a discussion of the contraception issues. Pre-Smith, there was a lot of balancing shit. Post-Smith, this is obviously constitutional simply because it is a general law of general applicability not aimed at a specific religion. However, if you want to be kind and assume they are also including RFRA, that requires discussing the contraception issues too because of the Sherbert test. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherbert_Test
All the way to page 2 without a fact check for the OP?
Issa's hearing was convened to talk about Constitutional issues surrounding Obama's order. It wasn't about contraception issues.
I've got a bridge to sell you.
It appears pretty clear from the link, the text info, and from the testimony in the hearing. But, if you want to argue that you know the true reason, and you take evidence to the contrary as proof that you were right all along, I guess there's no discussion to be had.
Well, first of all yes I am absolutely taking the contrary because it's pretty stupid to take it any other way
Second of all, let's assume it actually IS about religion
I've got a First Amendment and a Separation of Church and State to sell you
LIBTARDS RUT like horny DOGS so they can get PREGNANT to provide fodder for the Mexican jihadi TERRORIST NDUSTRY or get ABORTIONs. Get a gripe. You people are PATHETIC. Why not TRY waiting unit YOU're married then you DON't need BIRTH CONTROL or ABORTIONS. Back in the DAY to prevent BIRTH control girls would put a daguerreotype of STROM Thurmond in their vagina. Except back then we called them Bearded TACO'S. tHAT WAS before all of the ILLEGAL ANCHOR BABIES and the Mexican jihadi menace. TIMES have CHANGED SINCE THEN. I don't EVEN RECOGNIZE my America anymore.
All the way to page 2 without a fact check for the OP?
Issa's hearing was convened to talk about Constitutional issues surrounding Obama's order. It wasn't about contraception issues.
I've got a bridge to sell you.
It appears pretty clear from the link, the text info, and from the testimony in the hearing. But, if you want to argue that you know the true reason, and you take evidence to the contrary as proof that you were right all along, I guess there's no discussion to be had.
No, Spool has this one dead on, guys. I mean, just look at the expert list he linked; it's clearly full of legal experts on the U.S. Constitution:
Witnesses
Panel I
The Most Reverend William E. Lori
Roman Catholic Bishop of Bridgeport, CT
Chairman Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
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The Reverend Dr. Matthew C. Harrison
President
The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
C. Ben Mitchell, Ph.D.
Graves Professor of Moral Philosophy
Union University
Rabbi Meir Soloveichik
Director of the Straus Center for Torah and Western Thought
Yeshiva University
Associate Rabbi
Congregation Kehilath Jeshurun
Craig Mitchell, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ethics
Chair of the Ethics Department
Associate Director of the Richard Land Center for Cultural Engagement
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
Panel II
John H. Garvey
President
The Catholic University of America
Dr. William K. Thierfelder
President
Belmont Abbey College
Dr. Samuel W. "Dub" Oliver
President
East Texas Baptist University
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Dr. Allison Dabbs Garrett
Senior Vice President for Academic Affairs
Oklahoma Christian University
Laura Champion, M.D.
Medical Director
Calvin College Health Services
Barry W. Lynn, Esq.
Executive Director
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
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No, wait, it's full of religious nutbags, and one token secularist. If we're talking about constitutional issues, maybe we should have, I don't know, some sort of expert on the Constitution?
The Most Reverend William E. Lori
Roman Catholic Bishop of Bridgeport, CT
Chairman Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty
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C. Ben Mitchell, Ph.D.
Graves Professor of Moral Philosophy
Union University
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Rabbi Meir Soloveichik
Director of the Straus Center for Torah and Western Thought
Yeshiva University
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Craig Mitchell, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ethics
Chair of the Ethics Department
Associate Director of the Richard Land Center for Cultural Engagement
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
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and so on. It's a bunch of religious scholars and ministers, at a hearing on religious freedom. The last guy in the list is the nail in the coffin for this accusation that there's a secret, woman hating reason for this hearing:
Barry W. Lynn, Esq.
Executive Director
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
Americans United Applauds Federal Appeals Court Ruling Against California’s Proposition 8
Americans’ Civil Rights Should Not Be Subject To Whims Of Religious Majorities, Says Watchdog Group
This is the sort of group Issa invites to a hearing that's supposed to be about hating women? Really?
You got played, or you have an agenda. There's really no other explanation.
LIBTARDS RUT like horny DOGS so they can get PREGNANT to provide fodder for the Mexican jihadi TERRORIST NDUSTRY or get ABORTIONs. Get a gripe. You people are PATHETIC. Why not TRY waiting unit YOU're married then you DON't need BIRTH CONTROL or ABORTIONS. Back in the DAY to prevent BIRTH control girls would put a daguerreotype of STROM Thurmond in their vagina. Except back then we called them Bearded TACO'S. tHAT WAS before all of the ILLEGAL ANCHOR BABIES and the Mexican jihadi menace. TIMES have CHANGED SINCE THEN. I don't EVEN RECOGNIZE my America anymore.
Took me until "daguerreotype" until I was sure it was parody.
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Fucking Goddamn Exactly.
Republicans, for the most part, have already completely alienated almost every moderate they had.
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I have a dream
that one day, I will be able to go on Fox News and say that men should expect to be raped by women
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I literally....words....fail.....
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Well that's a given. Just so long as they aren't raped too much.
We're not going to have another huge land war anytime soon. any such conflict carries too much risk of going nuclear
Everything in moderation.
I expected better out of Mitchell..... No, not "I'm sorry I just need to catch my breath from that." ....You need to say "Im sorry, I dint realize you were drunk. Because clearly that is the only excuse for saying that if its so terribly expensive for contraceptives that women should go back to putting bayer aspirin between their legs..."
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Fuck, I hate these people.
In all seriousness, how the fuck did she get into Columbia?
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
But should women be in foxholes? I'd say no.
Which is still about 0.00000000164% of sense.
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How does he know what they used to put in between women's legs to keep from getting pregnant?
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
It means that for it to work they need to keep their knees together =/
Oh, I suppose that, too.
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Nope! You're over-thinking things.
He's saying they kept their legs shut.
Good 'ol fashioned slut-shaming up ins.
Is this his endorsement of copious gay sex?
Man you've got a point what if
wait no fill that in
Issa's hearing was convened to talk about Constitutional issues surrounding Obama's order. It wasn't about contraception issues. Basically you got played - sold on the grandstanding because it feeds your narrative. Either that, or you're intentionally spreading misinformation to promote an agenda...
Here's the committee calendar.
I've got a bridge to sell you.
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It appears pretty clear from the link, the text info, and from the testimony in the hearing. But, if you want to argue that you know the true reason, and you take evidence to the contrary as proof that you were right all along, I guess there's no discussion to be had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherbert_Test
Well, first of all yes I am absolutely taking the contrary because it's pretty stupid to take it any other way
Second of all, let's assume it actually IS about religion
I've got a First Amendment and a Separation of Church and State to sell you
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Also, found this comment elsewhere about the aspirin-between-the-knees thing:
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No, wait, it's full of religious nutbags, and one token secularist. If we're talking about constitutional issues, maybe we should have, I don't know, some sort of expert on the Constitution?
Sorry, that's a totally crazy thought.
The Most Reverend William E. Lori
Roman Catholic Bishop of Bridgeport, CT
Chairman Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty
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C. Ben Mitchell, Ph.D.
Graves Professor of Moral Philosophy
Union University
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Rabbi Meir Soloveichik
Director of the Straus Center for Torah and Western Thought
Yeshiva University
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Craig Mitchell, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ethics
Chair of the Ethics Department
Associate Director of the Richard Land Center for Cultural Engagement
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
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and so on. It's a bunch of religious scholars and ministers, at a hearing on religious freedom. The last guy in the list is the nail in the coffin for this accusation that there's a secret, woman hating reason for this hearing:
Barry W. Lynn, Esq.
Executive Director
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
There's a group, the AUSCS. Here's their site: http://www.au.org/
Here's a quote from them, on a recent issue:
This is the sort of group Issa invites to a hearing that's supposed to be about hating women? Really?
You got played, or you have an agenda. There's really no other explanation.
And what are they fighting for religious freedom from?
PROVIDING WOMEN WITH HEALTH CARE
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Took me until "daguerreotype" until I was sure it was parody.