Aren't there very few places where you can get an abortion anymore, thanks to all the terrorist attacks?
I don't think this is true at all.
Perhaps only in specific areas? We had a thread of this nature sometime back that suggested that the anti-abortion terrorism was significantly reducing the access some people had to abortion services. Obviously Planned Parenthood is still in business... maybe a specialist clinic thing or something.
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Aren't there very few places where you can get an abortion anymore, thanks to all the terrorist attacks?
I don't think this is true at all.
Perhaps only in specific areas? We had a thread of this nature sometime back that suggested that the anti-abortion terrorism was significantly reducing the access some people had to abortion services. Obviously Planned Parenthood is still in business... maybe a specialist clinic thing or something.
Maybe in the deep South or Texas, but just off the top of my head I can't recall any such thing.
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Not even a mask to conceal the face. What a fucking idiot. Or maybe he was hoping to be able to make a statement about fighting for the right thing, or whatever.
Individuals like this one see themselves as representing a "silent majority". Hence his lack of need for a disguise.
Aren't there very few places where you can get an abortion anymore, thanks to all the terrorist attacks?
I don't think this is true at all.
Perhaps only in specific areas? We had a thread of this nature sometime back that suggested that the anti-abortion terrorism was significantly reducing the access some people had to abortion services. Obviously Planned Parenthood is still in business... maybe a specialist clinic thing or something.
Mostly access is restricted through legislated blocks on funding for them, as well as legislated blocks on access and usage.
EG: If a hospital performs abortions, then it loses access to all state funding through some entaglement issues between different legislation, and stand alone clinics are too expensive in upkeep for the private donations base they have available. Same with how a doctor who performs abortions not being allowed to be employed in a hospital that recieves state funds etc.
I think there is 1 state that has a clinic that only performs the abortions once a month or something like that, because they have to fly in a doctor from out of state to perform them, because they cannot afford a dedicated doctor in-state.
Aren't there very few places where you can get an abortion anymore, thanks to all the terrorist attacks?
I don't think this is true at all.
Perhaps only in specific areas? We had a thread of this nature sometime back that suggested that the anti-abortion terrorism was significantly reducing the access some people had to abortion services. Obviously Planned Parenthood is still in business... maybe a specialist clinic thing or something.
Maybe in the deep South or Texas, but just off the top of my head I can't recall any such thing.
It's extremely limited in Kansas, Mississippi, Montana, and both Dakotas, I'm pretty sure.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
It's late term abortions that are limited by terrorism I believe. What with so few doctors willing to do them because people murder them.
This is actually why Dr. George Tiller was shot, he was one of I think three doctors in the entire country that still performed them. He was ruthlessly slandered on right wing talk radio and finally one day someone decided to gun him down in church.
If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"
Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
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It's late term abortions that are limited by terrorism I believe. What with so few doctors willing to do them because people murder them.
This is actually why Dr. George Tiller was shot, he was one of I think three doctors in the entire country that still performed them. He was ruthlessly slandered on right wing talk radio and finally one day someone decided to gun him down in church.
He'd been shot before too, but kept practicing after that failed murder attempt.
It's late term abortions that are limited by terrorism I believe. What with so few doctors willing to do them because people murder them.
This is actually why Dr. George Tiller was shot, he was one of I think three doctors in the entire country that still performed them. He was ruthlessly slandered on right wing talk radio and finally one day someone decided to gun him down in church.
He'd been shot before too, but kept practicing after that failed murder attempt.
So Dr. George Badass Tiller then.
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It's late term abortions that are limited by terrorism I believe. What with so few doctors willing to do them because people murder them.
This is actually why Dr. George Tiller was shot, he was one of I think three doctors in the entire country that still performed them. He was ruthlessly slandered on right wing talk radio and finally one day someone decided to gun him down in church.
He'd been shot before too, but kept practicing after that failed murder attempt.
Aren't there very few places where you can get an abortion anymore, thanks to all the terrorist attacks?
I don't think this is true at all.
Perhaps only in specific areas? We had a thread of this nature sometime back that suggested that the anti-abortion terrorism was significantly reducing the access some people had to abortion services. Obviously Planned Parenthood is still in business... maybe a specialist clinic thing or something.
Maybe in the deep South or Texas, but just off the top of my head I can't recall any such thing.
It's extremely limited in Kansas, Mississippi, Montana, and both Dakotas, I'm pretty sure.
I might be mistaken, but as far as I can recall North Dakota has one "women's clinic" and it's in Fargo. Granted, Fargo is a huge city by ND standards, but if you live in a city like Dickinson or hell even the state capitol you're looking at at least a 6 hour drive round trip to get there and back.
I think there is 1 state that has a clinic that only performs the abortions once a month or something like that, because they have to fly in a doctor from out of state to perform them, because they cannot afford a dedicated doctor in-state.
An ex of mine worked at an abortion clinic and said that a LOT of the protester attacks are
A: Massively incompetent, like "almost kill yourself and get saved by the people you were trying to kill" incompetent
B: Uncounted, because of lack of evidence it was "for the cause" or the paperwork and charges were too much of a hassle* to take to court, let alone win.
Of course that's all "second-hand story" anecdotes, not "data".
As for Tucker Max, I enjoyed 50% of his material that I was exposed to. Specifically the one story where he recounted freaking out about having once had sex with an MtF transsexual and then rationalized that it couldn't be true because, "she was too girly, I'd know." Which was hilarious in the same way Snooki is hilarious when she gets punched in the face.
*Example story, the same guy who gave her a bloody nose with a thrown bible (literally) also had several bones broken when the annoyed security guard threw him over a hedgerow (and over the "I can beat you up" line) and "went to town," as the kids say. The punchline being that the security guard convinced the police there was no way he could throw a man over a 6' deep hedgerow.
Aren't there very few places where you can get an abortion anymore, thanks to all the terrorist attacks?
Well, that, and Pro-Lifers harass the people who go to them. And work at them. And own them. And in some cases, the children, families, and friends of any of those people.
Not to mention lots of conservative states love passing laws making it hard for services to be provided without outright banning abortion. (I'll have to come up with some citations on that one)
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An ex of mine worked at an abortion clinic and said that a LOT of the protester attacks are
A: Massively incompetent, like "almost kill yourself and get saved by the people you were trying to kill" incompetent
B: Uncounted, because of lack of evidence it was "for the cause" or the paperwork and charges were too much of a hassle* to take to court, let alone win.
Of course that's all "second-hand story" anecdotes, not "data".
As for Tucker Max, I enjoyed 50% of his material that I was exposed to. Specifically the one story where he recounted freaking out about having once had sex with an MtF transsexual and then rationalized that it couldn't be true because, "she was too girly, I'd know." Which was hilarious in the same way Snooki is hilarious when she gets punched in the face.
*Example story, the same guy who gave her a bloody nose with a thrown bible (literally) also had several bones broken when the annoyed security guard threw him over a hedgerow (and over the "I can beat you up" line) and "went to town," as the kids say. The punchline being that the security guard convinced the police there was no way he could throw a man over a 6' deep hedgerow.
My favorite story of his will always be the one where he first attempts anal sex.
Aren't there very few places where you can get an abortion anymore, thanks to all the terrorist attacks?
Well, that, and Pro-Lifers harass the people who go to them. And work at them. And own them. And in some cases, the children, families, and friends of any of those people.
Not to mention lots of conservative states love passing laws making it hard for services to be provided without outright banning abortion. (I'll have to come up with some citations on that one)
Citations to start with, then there's the Maryland "rape-wand" law, the doonesbury cartoons detailing laws that, for the most part, already exist in a number of states (Texas for example has a 24-hour waiting period, one-hour counseling session, specialty after-care ward as expensive as an ICU, and others I can't remember off the top of my head) requiring the patients and the clinics be subjected to extra expenses and extra liabilities rationalized as "for patient safety" but nakedly for the religious belief that sex is bad and women should be punished for it.
I've heard some nasty, nasty stories about the stuff they pull, stuff that doesn't make the papers like this bombing.
The tactical decision to focus on a clinic’s landlord was a clever move, although Stave could handle it. He’s pretty tough after all the years in this fight.
But his tormentors crossed the line last fall when a big group showed up at his daughter’s middle school on the first day of classes and again at back-to-school night. They had signs displaying his name and contact information as well as those gory images of the fetuses.
“What parent wants to have that conversation with an 11-year-old on the first day of school?” he fumed.
Soon after that, the harassing calls started coming to his home. By the dozens, at all hours. Friends asked him how they could help. He began to take down the names and phone numbers of people who made unwanted calls. And he gave the information to his friends and asked them to call these folks back.
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Not even a mask to conceal the face. What a fucking idiot. Or maybe he was hoping to be able to make a statement about fighting for the right thing, or whatever.
Individuals like this one see themselves as representing a "silent majority". Hence his lack of need for a disguise.
Not even a mask to conceal the face. What a fucking idiot. Or maybe he was hoping to be able to make a statement about fighting for the right thing, or whatever.
Individuals like this one see themselves as representing a "silent majority". Hence his lack of need for a disguise.
I swear, given the glasses she usually wears, she has to be a hipster doing it all ironically.
Also, she refers to the "Sandra Fluke controversy", as if she were the one who caused the media blowup. Though I grant you, calling it the "Rush Limbaugh controversy" would provoke a response of "could you be more specific'?
So not only are they being super insensitive about this issue, but the metaphor used is actually a thing that happens and totally backfired.
Keep it up, GOP.
I secretly dream of a life where I can disguise myself as a different major network journalist each time, confront these guys, and turn their talking points on their head. The right started this with I think the "War on Christmas" which I can at least trace back to Bill O'reilly although not sure if he was just reading from someone else's cue or not.
If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"
Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
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I swear, given the glasses she usually wears, she has to be a hipster doing it all ironically.
Also, she refers to the "Sandra Fluke controversy", as if she were the one who caused the media blowup. Though I grant you, calling it the "Rush Limbaugh controversy" would provoke a response of "could you be more specific'?
This article struck me as a whole lot of "Liberal women have daddy issues."
That article is really stupid. Well, I havent finished yet but these have stuck out as particularly stupid to me:
Some blame the men for failing to connect with women, while others blame Republican policies. But what of women’s liberation and agency? Taking the role of female voters out of the equation, effectively silencing them, seems a decidedly anti-feminist thing to do.
Male candidates (more accurately Republican candidates, since she apparently ignores the presence of female Republican politicians) have trouble "connecting" with female voters. Im not sure how that is incompatible with female agency. Like, men are saying shit and then the women are deciding they dont like it and vote for someone else.
Quinnipiac, Public Policy Polling and Gallup found that Romney actually improved with women between mid-December and mid-February, just after the brouhaha began. And Rick Santorum, the staunch social conservative whose views on contraception have been at the epicenter of the debate, has earned the female vote in every state he’s won. He also polled 21 points higher among Republican female voters than Romney in a question about who understands their needs better.
Romney/Santorum gaining traction with the 38% of women who already vote Republican (since we're talking about primary voters, and really thats an even smaller percentage of women) doesnt have any implications about the women at large who already dont vote for Republicans. Everyone, stop the presses. Conservative women like it when conservative politicians take conservative stances on social issues! Holy fuck!
And now, President Obama is leading Mitt Romney by an alarming 20 points (58% to 38%) among women...
But even more telling: If the contraception debate were to blame for the widening gender gap, you’d expect Democrats’ numbers to have since spiked upward. Not the case. In a January NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, Democrats on the congressional ballot had a 15-point advantage with women before the debate began. And now? A 14-point advantage. Further, Obama’s job-performance rating among women, according to Gallup, has remained steady throughout the debate, at about 50%.
wat.
Blaming a month-long, 2012 debate on contraception for a 30-year trend probably doesn’t make much sense. So maybe it’s about broader social issues, like abortion.
I like how she glosses over shoving shit into vaginas and tries to play it off as women needing a big strong man to take care of them, so obviosly these women are not feminists.
Smaller governement indeed! So small it can fit into your vagina!
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I like how she glosses over shoving shit into vaginas and tries to play it off as women needing a big strong man to take care of them, so obviosly these women are not feminists.
I too thought that was a bit weird. Like, don't you think that maybe some women are going over to the Democrats because they are the party that isn't trying to shove a magic wand into their lady parts? Maybe?
Also, maybe women support "big government" (aka "the social safety net") because they are typically the ones left caring for elderly relatives, being single parents, being stuck with low-paying "pink collar" jobs, etc, etc, etc, at a disproportionate rate compared to men.
Wait, aren't conservatives always whining about how the feminists secretly run American and control the government? So....this is women relying on Big Mommy, right? Sisters doin' it for themselves?
I kid, obviously. There's no way to reason with somebody yapping that the government has no business telling you who to hire and fire, but all the business in the world telling you what medical procedures you can buy.
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I've wondered if these people can see how hypocritical they are?
"We want smaller government and to get rid of big brother for FREEDOM! But we also want to control your health decisions and force our beliefs on you cause ours are more freedomy. FREEDOM!"
I have a hard time believing they even know what freedom is.
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Ultimately, it's an opinion piece with a lot of opinion and little thought. She probably fails to understand why women flock to Democrats because she herself is (likely) wealthy and (demonstrably) white, and thus insulated from all the nasty externalities of the social policies Republicans are pursuing all across the nation.
I've wondered if these people can see how hypocritical they are?
"We want smaller government and to get rid of big brother for FREEDOM! But we also want to control your health decisions and force our beliefs on you cause ours are more freedomy. FREEDOM!"
I have a hard time believing they even know what freedom is.
Nope. Their denial can be very strong. Ignorance is what they've been taught to revel in.
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I don't think this is true at all.
Perhaps only in specific areas? We had a thread of this nature sometime back that suggested that the anti-abortion terrorism was significantly reducing the access some people had to abortion services. Obviously Planned Parenthood is still in business... maybe a specialist clinic thing or something.
Maybe in the deep South or Texas, but just off the top of my head I can't recall any such thing.
Truly, it is a mystery.
It's like a more focused, more obnoxious version of the MRE/Child's Play snafu.
Mostly access is restricted through legislated blocks on funding for them, as well as legislated blocks on access and usage.
EG: If a hospital performs abortions, then it loses access to all state funding through some entaglement issues between different legislation, and stand alone clinics are too expensive in upkeep for the private donations base they have available. Same with how a doctor who performs abortions not being allowed to be employed in a hospital that recieves state funds etc.
I think there is 1 state that has a clinic that only performs the abortions once a month or something like that, because they have to fly in a doctor from out of state to perform them, because they cannot afford a dedicated doctor in-state.
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Donated and let them know it was in direct response to telling Tucker Max to fuck off.
It's extremely limited in Kansas, Mississippi, Montana, and both Dakotas, I'm pretty sure.
Late term abortions are illegal in most places except for health risk so that might be why women have trouble finding places to get them.
This is actually why Dr. George Tiller was shot, he was one of I think three doctors in the entire country that still performed them. He was ruthlessly slandered on right wing talk radio and finally one day someone decided to gun him down in church.
He'd been shot before too, but kept practicing after that failed murder attempt.
So Dr. George Badass Tiller then.
Basically.
I might be mistaken, but as far as I can recall North Dakota has one "women's clinic" and it's in Fargo. Granted, Fargo is a huge city by ND standards, but if you live in a city like Dickinson or hell even the state capitol you're looking at at least a 6 hour drive round trip to get there and back.
North Dakota and Minnesota, respectively.
A: Massively incompetent, like "almost kill yourself and get saved by the people you were trying to kill" incompetent
B: Uncounted, because of lack of evidence it was "for the cause" or the paperwork and charges were too much of a hassle* to take to court, let alone win.
Of course that's all "second-hand story" anecdotes, not "data".
As for Tucker Max, I enjoyed 50% of his material that I was exposed to. Specifically the one story where he recounted freaking out about having once had sex with an MtF transsexual and then rationalized that it couldn't be true because, "she was too girly, I'd know." Which was hilarious in the same way Snooki is hilarious when she gets punched in the face.
*Example story, the same guy who gave her a bloody nose with a thrown bible (literally) also had several bones broken when the annoyed security guard threw him over a hedgerow (and over the "I can beat you up" line) and "went to town," as the kids say. The punchline being that the security guard convinced the police there was no way he could throw a man over a 6' deep hedgerow.
Well, that, and Pro-Lifers harass the people who go to them. And work at them. And own them. And in some cases, the children, families, and friends of any of those people.
Not to mention lots of conservative states love passing laws making it hard for services to be provided without outright banning abortion. (I'll have to come up with some citations on that one)
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
My favorite story of his will always be the one where he first attempts anal sex.
Citations to start with, then there's the Maryland "rape-wand" law, the doonesbury cartoons detailing laws that, for the most part, already exist in a number of states (Texas for example has a 24-hour waiting period, one-hour counseling session, specialty after-care ward as expensive as an ICU, and others I can't remember off the top of my head) requiring the patients and the clinics be subjected to extra expenses and extra liabilities rationalized as "for patient safety" but nakedly for the religious belief that sex is bad and women should be punished for it.
I've heard some nasty, nasty stories about the stuff they pull, stuff that doesn't make the papers like this bombing.
But again, I'm some guy on the internet...
A clinic’s landlord turns the tables on anti-abortion protesters
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Was it so risky to protest people going into a clinic that they had to pick on an 11 year old at school?
Way to go! You really showed that kid your values on protecting the innocent.... Oh wait!
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Did Child's Play accidentally give out MREs?
I think he meant RME. Retake Mass Effect. I won't get into the details, but CP limited the donation because of the meaning behind it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/politics/mississippi-abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
If there's a federal judge with balls in the area it'll catch a swift injunction.
Thinking about the GOP's policies, it really isn't too far off the mark.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
So not only are they being super insensitive about this issue, but the metaphor used is actually a thing that happens and totally backfired.
Keep it up, GOP.
Saw a bit of the speech on Politics Nation. That guy is a charismatic blackhole.
I swear, given the glasses she usually wears, she has to be a hipster doing it all ironically.
Also, she refers to the "Sandra Fluke controversy", as if she were the one who caused the media blowup. Though I grant you, calling it the "Rush Limbaugh controversy" would provoke a response of "could you be more specific'?
I secretly dream of a life where I can disguise myself as a different major network journalist each time, confront these guys, and turn their talking points on their head. The right started this with I think the "War on Christmas" which I can at least trace back to Bill O'reilly although not sure if he was just reading from someone else's cue or not.
This article struck me as a whole lot of "Liberal women have daddy issues."
Male candidates (more accurately Republican candidates, since she apparently ignores the presence of female Republican politicians) have trouble "connecting" with female voters. Im not sure how that is incompatible with female agency. Like, men are saying shit and then the women are deciding they dont like it and vote for someone else.
Romney/Santorum gaining traction with the 38% of women who already vote Republican (since we're talking about primary voters, and really thats an even smaller percentage of women) doesnt have any implications about the women at large who already dont vote for Republicans. Everyone, stop the presses. Conservative women like it when conservative politicians take conservative stances on social issues! Holy fuck!
wat.
Again. wat.
I dont know if I want to read the second page.
Smaller governement indeed! So small it can fit into your vagina!
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I too thought that was a bit weird. Like, don't you think that maybe some women are going over to the Democrats because they are the party that isn't trying to shove a magic wand into their lady parts? Maybe?
I kid, obviously. There's no way to reason with somebody yapping that the government has no business telling you who to hire and fire, but all the business in the world telling you what medical procedures you can buy.
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"We want smaller government and to get rid of big brother for FREEDOM! But we also want to control your health decisions and force our beliefs on you cause ours are more freedomy. FREEDOM!"
I have a hard time believing they even know what freedom is.
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Nope. Their denial can be very strong. Ignorance is what they've been taught to revel in.