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I saw the Stars in my cereal this morning [SPACE](NSF ALIENS and 56K)

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  • JunpeiJunpei Registered User regular
    I sometimes wonder what scholarly background ACSIS has, but then I realise that trying to understand such a thing only leads to madness.

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    Xehalus wrote: »
    how much difference would there be between a dark galaxy and a nebula
    As much as a difference between a cloud and a rotating nebulae. It happens as the cloud collapses. Galaxies are angular-momentum-transport-machines, thats why they form arms.

    Well, you have to understand that our galaxy, the Milky Way consists of about 300 billion stars. The dark galaxy VIRGOHI21 contains enough matter for 100 millions of stars. Since small galaxies have been predicted, but not verified until now, that is. The explaination why we have not found those dwarf galaxies seems to be: because they contain no active stars. So thats settled. Still, its unclear WHY no stars are lit in those dwarf galaxies.
    The theorists took heart in 2005 with the announcement that the dwarf galaxy I Zwicky 18, situated just a cosmic stone's throw from the Milky Way in a region where other galaxies are billions of years older, contained no stars older than 500,000 years (New Scientist print edition, 11 December 2004). Either the galaxy formed recently, or it has been hanging around as a dark galaxy for as long as 13 billion years.

    Obviously the emergence of stars is tied to galaxy mass, but the exact mechanism is unclear.
    It seems the smaller a galaxy is, the more time is needed to light the candles.

    It could be that these are young, forming galaxies - wich is of course a contradiction to the Big Bang model, but to be honest the deeper i delve into astronomy the more faith i loose in the concept. There are too much contradicting observations, aside from the fact that, despite it should be abundant, it was not possible to come up with any concept of Dark Matter. I suspect that is because it doesn't exist. I tend more twoards the 100000-300000 rogue planets for each star model, wich is more in harmony with recent observations.

    That means, of course, there are a lot more planets around, if you think about the 300 billion stars in the Milky Way alone. And those planets may be able to support life ("Steppenwolf Concept"). That shifts odds quite a bit.

    ACSIS on
  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    KAPOW!

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    So yeah, the sun exploded today and then it threw up at us. I, like Acsis, blame the astroengineering alien terrorists.

    The simply massive sunspot AR1520 unleashed an X1.4-class solar flare on July 12th at 1653 UT. The X-flare was geoeffective as AR1520 was pointed directly at the Earth at the time it erupted. This caused a strong R3 radio blackout to occur across the sun facing side of the Earth as well as a G1 geomagnetic storm in higher latitudes. The flare also generated a very impressive O type CME which is headed for us here on Earth. Per NOAA's SWPC forecasters the passage of the X-class flare's CME @ 0500 utc (+/- 6hrs), 7/14. In contrast,the Goddard Space Weather Lab said the CME will hit Earth on July 14th around 10:20 utc (+/- 7 hours) and could spark strong geomagnetic storms. Aurora watches be alert as this massive CME will likely cause some very impressive auroral displays. It is these kind of events that also have the potential to push the aurora much farther towards the equator than they normally can be found.

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    forecasted track of the CME

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    The flare induced radio blackout.

    I will have my camera ready and will likely try to head north Friday night in hopes of catching a glimpse of the aurora. One thing that is really interesting about this event is that AR1520 still is primed for more flares in the possible near future. It would not be out of the question to see a few more flares and CMEs hurled at us before it rotates around to the eastern side of the sun and out of view of the Earth.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    You know what is interesting

    at about half four this afternoon, I was at my local wargaming store, and their phones (wireless) could only pick up a shit-ton of static

    they called each other a few times, and still static

    then it went back to normal

    wonder if that was actually the flare? If so, cool

  • Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Call these nuts the Sword of Damocles 'cause they're hanging over your headRegistered User regular
    ACSIS wrote: »
    what if aliens stole that galaxy's planets
    Astroengineering? Maybe, but it would be a bot rash to come to such a conclusion with that kind of vague data. Still a intriguing thought and i have admit it was one of the first things come to my attention. I am not suggesting this is artificial, but i am suggesting to study such odd observations to pinpoint any astroengineering going on. This would be a candidate, not a positive result but its certainly worthy of investigation. It could have been consumed by Von Neumann Probes, thats a possibility - however, the probability is higher that there is a more mudane explaination, wich escapes us currently. That still leads to fill some gaps of knowledge here and there along the path, as we become more aware of our galactic environment.

    what steps can we take to defend ourselves against this threat

    Would appeasement be more feasible

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    Everything written by Dongs is read in Michael Palin's voice from the Romans skit.
    New forum rule, let it be known.
  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    You know what is interesting

    at about half four this afternoon, I was at my local wargaming store, and their phones (wireless) could only pick up a shit-ton of static

    they called each other a few times, and still static

    then it went back to normal

    wonder if that was actually the flare? If so, cool

    It most likely was! Also..... TROPICAL CYLCONES! :D

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    This has no relation, I just thought it was awesome to see three systems ongoing at the same time in the east Pacific, including one Cat-4 hurricane with a massive eye. This is a pretty good indication that we are in an ENSO neutral patter that is starting to lean towards El Niño conditions.

    Emilia was becoming an annular hurricane, and even had a pretty annular look to its self but has since started to weaken and lost those characteristics. If it had become a sustained annular storm it would have been able to last much longer than normal as it moved further west into unfavorable conditions.

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  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Registered User regular
    God, please, no one tell the damn media. I'm still sick of hearing the words el nino.

  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    Bad news..... I AM THE MEDIA! >: D

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  • WeaverWeaver Cap'n NEW CRUNCH CITYRegistered User regular
    That solar flare

    the weather here in Seattle had been cloudless and warm lately. Let me check for the 14th....hmm, partly cloudy for the 14th. Maybe I'll finally get to see some aurora.

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  • YoSoyTheWalrusYoSoyTheWalrus Registered User regular
    Calling my band Daniel's Remnants

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    ACSIS wrote: »
    what if aliens stole that galaxy's planets
    Astroengineering? Maybe, but it would be a bot rash to come to such a conclusion with that kind of vague data. Still a intriguing thought and i have admit it was one of the first things come to my attention. I am not suggesting this is artificial, but i am suggesting to study such odd observations to pinpoint any astroengineering going on. This would be a candidate, not a positive result but its certainly worthy of investigation. It could have been consumed by Von Neumann Probes, thats a possibility - however, the probability is higher that there is a more mudane explaination, wich escapes us currently. That still leads to fill some gaps of knowledge here and there along the path, as we become more aware of our galactic environment.

    what steps can we take to defend ourselves against this threat

    Would appeasement be more feasible
    A feasible alternative explaination for starters. Its not easy, i guess.

  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    God, please, no one tell the damn media. I'm still sick of hearing the words el nino.

    don't take spanish on duolingo!

    360: Sir Stiggleton PSN: Stiggy_PA GFWL: RacerStig Steam: TheStig
  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    This doesn't actually belong into this treat, but since it was discussed a few months ago and the media joint to bash NASA... in any case, some of you may remember:
    http://www.nature.com/news/arsenic-loving-bacterium-needs-phosphorus-after-all-1.10971

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  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    So the Kp-Index is nearly off the chart at the moment. It is at Kp-8. The aurora was so bright and pushed so far south that even through a lot of light pollution was able to see it just north of Tulsa, OKLAHOMA!

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    More pics to come! If it is currently night where you are, race out and look towards the closest pole to you and see if you can spot the aurora!

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  • Lost SalientLost Salient generally you don't see that kind of behavior in a major appliance Registered User regular
    Awww, fudgebums

    It's been overcast and rainy for days here because the season's finally started.

    I want to see the lights...

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    "Sandra's favourite movie is escape from new York because she cries when magpie and brain die because they will never be together." HAIL SATAN
  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    So here is another one of my shots. This one I decided to label for you all at home so you can see what I was trying to frame up with the aurora. To see the image without labels, click here: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/23713336#Comment_23713336

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  • LuvTheMonkeyLuvTheMonkey High Sierra Serenade Registered User regular
    Molten variables hiss and roar. On my mind-forge, I hammer them into the greatsword Epistemology. Many are my foes this night.
    STEAM
  • ArtreusArtreus Registered User regular
    I just saw that

    That is awful


    because she was awesome

  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    KERPLOW!

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    This is the fastest CME (3400 km/s or 7.6 million mph) to have happened in a long time. These speeds are typically seen once every 5 to 10 years. This CME was unleashed by AR1520, the same spot that caused the awesome aurora light show on the 14th and 15th. Sadly AR1520 is not facing the Earth so this will be non-geoeffective. In fact this CME wont hit any of the inner planets.

    AR1520 also produced these other non-geoeffective CMEs.

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    ...and this ALMOST X-class flare that was also non-geoeffective. (click the image to see the flare animated)

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  • SassoriSassori Registered User regular

    I never knew until today that she was a lesbian, but that really sucks that her partner won't receive any of the benefits that a spouse normally does.

    A real shame all around. Sally Ride was pretty amazing.


  • LTMLTM Registered User regular
    Chimera wrote: »
    KERPLOW!
    Spoiler:

    "Ya know what, fuck all y'all" -- The Sun

    LTM on
  • JayKaosJayKaos Initiating launch operations Crimson TyphoonRegistered User regular
    Sassori wrote: »

    I never knew until today that she was a lesbian, but that really sucks that her partner won't receive any of the benefits that a spouse normally does.

    A real shame all around. Sally Ride was pretty amazing.

    Apparently it was her obituary that first publicly outed her, which is kind of a weird way to go about it but oh well.

    Also, from the onion sidebar:
    “It’s a shame. No astronaut should outlive their space program.”

    http://steamcommunity.com/id/jaykaos This is my steam profile.
  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
  • AntimatterAntimatter The First Mechanized Ninja Repent!Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
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    niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

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  • LTMLTM Registered User regular
    That was all over twitter last night. The nets were aflame.

  • SassoriSassori Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
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    niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

    I like your style Mr. Goats.


  • ArtreusArtreus Registered User regular
    The mountain goats is a good band. They are also good people

  • 101101 Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
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    oh snap

  • YoSoyTheWalrusYoSoyTheWalrus Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Sassori wrote: »

    I never knew until today that she was a lesbian, but that really sucks that her partner won't receive any of the benefits that a spouse normally does.

    A real shame all around. Sally Ride was pretty amazing.

    Apparently it was her obituary that first publicly outed her, which is kind of a weird way to go about it but oh well.

    Also, from the onion sidebar:
    “It’s a shame. No astronaut should outlive their space program.”

    I know taking the onion seriously in any way is stupid, but that is still a dumb sentiment

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  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    Chimera's Space Weather and Sky Watcher's Update for July 7th, 2012.

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    (Pictured above, sunspot AR1532 producing a M6 flare at 2056 UT today.)

    After a short quiet period the Sun is starting to crackle to life once more! The sunspot, AR1532, has now unleashed one moderately powerful solar flares of the M-class variety for the past two days in a row now. In fact the last one almost was strong enough to be rated as an X-Class, which is the strongest class of flare. The M6 flare that was produced today may be slightly geoeffective. If it did in fact produce a CME the Earth will only receive a glancing blow at the most. This will change in the coming days as AR1532 begins to rotate around to face the Earth. Currently 1532 still has the needed type of magnetic field to produce more moderate and strong flares so it is likely that the Earth could be effected by a flare and a CME in the coming days. It is far to early to tell if we will see a repeat of July 14th's impressive solar storm but I doubt that we will. That said I would not be surprised in the least to have at least one or two days where folks north of I-80 in the US get to see the Aurora if 1532 sends a CME our way. NOAA's Space Weather Prediction Center has forecasted a 25% chance of another M-class flare to occur over the next 24 hours, and a 25% chance to see one between the following 48 to 72 hours.

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    (Pictured above, two M-class flares on the Earth facing side of the sun recorded in the past 48 hours.)

    In other news concerning the Sun, a magnetic bridge was discovered between sunspots AR1529 and AR1528. Formally it was thought that sunspots were solely independent of one another and were unable to connect to one another via their magnetic fields. This thinking however has since changed when the SOHO satellite first discovered bridged spots. These bridges are what scientists believe are responsible for some of the Sun's most impressive eruptions. Although rare, these bridged flares can go through a runaway chain reaction when one spot erupts with a flare, causing the others it is connected to it to follow suit. The last example of this was back in 2010when the SDO and STEREO sats were able to capture the event with their array of cameras and sensors. A wonderful article by NASA on this event can be found here: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/13dec_globaleruption/

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    (Pictured above, AR1529 and AR1528 connected via a magnetic bridge.)

    Now we turn our attention for a moment away from the Sun and to the night sky as it begins to be peppered with streaks of bright light and the flashes of fireballs. For tonight and tomorrow night in the early AM hours before sunrise, those of you who are awake will be treated to a pleasant surprise as the annual delta Aquarid meteor shower reaches its peak. Although not the most intense of showers, the Aquarid shower can be quite impressive due to the source of the meteors. Comet 96P/Machholz, the source of the shower, is thought by researchers to not be a product of our solar system and to have actually come from another star systems all together. Each of the Aquarids that do disintegrate in our atmosphere pepper us with particles that are not from our Sun. This is significant since everything, even you and I, are products of our Sun. This is why Carl Sagan used to say we are all stardust, because we literally are.

    Forecasters expect as many as 15 Aquarids per hour when the shower peaks tonight and tomorrow night. The absolute best time to view this shower, no matter which part of the Earth you live on, is during the darkest hours before the sun rises when the moon has set and the constellation Aquarius is high in the sky as this will be the point from which the Aquarids will come from.

    While the Aquarids is a relatively low yield show in the number of meteors per hour. The good news is that one can think of it as the appetizer to the main course. As the Earth traverses the debris belt of Comet 96P/Machholz and we reach the peak of the Aquarids, the earth begins to move into the orbit of the Perseids meteors. These meteors which are the debris of the comet, 109P/Swift-Tuttle, are in a much more dense belt as they orbit around the Sun in the trail of 109P/Swift-Tuttle's path. This leads to the Persieds shower being one of the highest producing annual showers of the year. The Persieds shower will peak in mid-August (12th -15th) and could exceed 100 meteors per hour.

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    (Picture : a veiwing graphic of where one can find the Aquarids in the night sky. This will be at 1am local time for the viewer. The later in the morning you go, the higher Aquarius will be in the sky to your sse.)

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  • DarmakDarmak Godking of the Shitwizards CUNTINGFUCKSHITASSRegistered User regular
    I love you, Chimera.

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    Chimera
  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    Darmak wrote: »
    I love you, Chimera.

    I try my best! <3

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  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    To follow up on my post from yesterday, the M6 flare produced by AR 1532 DID produce a geoeffective CME. While we will not get a direct hit from this CME we should get a better than glancing blow around the 31st as seen in the forecast animation bellow.

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    In response to this, and to a high-speed solar wind stream buffeting Earth's magnetic field at this present time, NOAA forecasters have said there is now a 45% chance of polar geomagnetic storms on July 29-31st. The storm will start as a minor storm which could intensify moderately when the CME hits the Earth's magnetic field. With any luck the IMF polarity will be in the negative when this happens. Currently it is forecasted to be positive but that could easily change in later forecasts. If so, it will aid the chances that the Aurora will be able to be vibrant and pushed farther south than normal in these relatively minor events when compared to the storm of the 14th. Regardless of that fact, high-latitude sky watchers should be on the alert for vibrant auroral displays in the night sky.

    Sunspot AR1532 is just starting to face the Earth directly today, and it still has a high chance of producing more M-class flares which would most certainly be geoeffective. Although AR1532's latitude is a bit further south than I would like to see, we should not have any problems being effected by any future CME's it may or may not produce as it transits the Earth facing side of the Sun.

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  • premiumpremium Registered User regular
    This stuff is really great, Chimera

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  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    Thanks! :D

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  • ChimeraChimera Registered User regular
    BREAKING! An M2 flare has erupted today and is likely a product of Sunspot AR1532. It is still too early to know whether or not this flare has resulted in a CME. If it was AR1532 and it did produce a CME it would most certainly be geoeffective! More to come as info becomes available.

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    UPDATE @ 2:07pm CDT: It is confirmed that AR11532 has produced another moderate solar flare. An M2 peaking at 6:20 UT, 7/29/2012. No word yet on whether or not it produced a CME.

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER: FLYING SAUCER UNLOADS NUCLEAR POWERED GIGANT ROBOT WITH LASER WEAPON - THE TERRAN INVASION OF MARS
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    http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=146903741

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  • xraydogxraydog Registered User regular
    Definitely staying up this Sunday to watch that. I got my peanuts ready and everything.

  • EvigilantEvigilant Registered User regular
    http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/and-the-flag-was-still-there/260489/
    Only flag not upright? The Apollo 11 Flag that Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin planted.

    I'm excited about Curiosity. Here's hoping the landing goes well.

    "I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." Dwight D. Eisenhower
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