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chiasaur11

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

Spoiler:

That ending also can have people alive who flat out shouldn't be, according to the Catalyst. And maybe even according to basic logic.

Peccavi

Naphtali wrote: »

Heisenberg wrote: »

Peccavi wrote: »

Regarding the required military asset score for the "best" ending.

Spoiler:

It's not 5000. I know that's the number everyone is throwing around the internet, but that's wrong. I had less than 4500 effective (pretty sure it was 4200 and change) and I still got that ending.

I had 4050 and got it.

What kind of readiness % did you guys have

77%, 5500 total

-Tal

Langly wrote: »

Cambiata wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

My take on the ending theory is

Spoiler:

That everything is physically happening, IE that Shepard says goodbye to Anderson, is lifted on the elevator, and brought to the area where she makes the choice. She actually sees Catalyst, but is heavily under the influence of indoctrination (which is why she doesn't argue with him). He offers the three choices, confident that Shep has invested too much in the Geth or at least in EDI to be willing to destroy her. He presents Synthesis - Indoctrination, or ascendance as a reaper (remember when Saren said he was the pinnacle of evolution, the perfect hybrid of man and machine? That's what the Reapers believe, and they're trying to get you to believe it). They present the second best choice as control - where you become the reapers yourself. Still good from their side of the issue. Destroy is the only risky one, but they can't stop you from getting there once you reach the place in the citadel that you're at, they can only essentially present arguments/indoctrination to try to get you to not take that choice (although they can also try to destroy the crucible while you're deciding. That did happen to me once in game). Then if you select destroy, you're thrown into the beam of the conduit as the Citadel is destroyed, and end up in London. The stuff with Joker crashing still happens, but he's within FTL travel so it's not that big of a deal.

Synthesis and Control also show you Joker crash landing, but in those cases it would be Catalyst communicating to you, through indoctrination, "see? You saved your crew! Aren't you an awesome hero?"

Spoiler:

except that, game mechanics wise, that is a really stupid ending. You only get the other two options if you have a high score. You always can destroy the citadel, and sometimes you can only destroy the citadel, which in this theory, is the only correct choice.

So the game would be punishing you by opening up worse options by you playing the game.

That is stupid.

Spoiler:

You can actually be forced into either just Destroy or just Control, depending on what you did with the base

Weaver

I had something around 6400 and 100%, and chose

Spoiler:

destroy

-Tal

Weaver wrote: »

I had something around 6400 and 100%, and chose

Spoiler:

destroy

:^:

Heisenberg

chiasaur11 wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

That ending also can have people alive who flat out shouldn't be, according to the Catalyst. And maybe even according to basic logic.

Spoiler:

Garrus being with me in the attack and then showing up on the planet is flat out impossible. Also, Shepard breathing in space is impossible though it's not known for sure if there was a protective glass barrier in that section.

Zay

Squall wrote: »

we ran into a bug over the weekend where there were a couple enemies left but we couldnt find them

since there was more than one enemy left the game wouldnt show where they were

we could hear then shouting commands at each other but couldnt pinpoint where it was coming from

right as we're about to disconnect and retry the match i look up and notice two enemies stuck in the rafters

bizarre

Yeah this happened to me on that reactor map

Romanian My Escutcheon

Now taking bets on how many new threads we run through before discussion about the ending peters off!

50-to-1 odds say one thread!

Weaver

fun thing on multi maps is tossing lift grenades or sentry turrets up into the spawn rooms

-Tal

@chiasaur11 and @Heisenberg you might want to spoil the reference to that character

Peccavi

Zay wrote: »

Squall wrote: »

we ran into a bug over the weekend where there were a couple enemies left but we couldnt find them

since there was more than one enemy left the game wouldnt show where they were

we could hear then shouting commands at each other but couldnt pinpoint where it was coming from

right as we're about to disconnect and retry the match i look up and notice two enemies stuck in the rafters

bizarre

Yeah this happened to me on that reactor map

This is where you need a quarians engineer with rocket drone

autono-wally, erotibot300

Also I am laughing right now at the "The final boss is

Spoiler:

Marauder Shields"

Silliness

Speed Racer

Langly wrote: »

Cambiata wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

My take on the ending theory is

Spoiler:

That everything is physically happening, IE that Shepard says goodbye to Anderson, is lifted on the elevator, and brought to the area where she makes the choice. She actually sees Catalyst, but is heavily under the influence of indoctrination (which is why she doesn't argue with him). He offers the three choices, confident that Shep has invested too much in the Geth or at least in EDI to be willing to destroy her. He presents Synthesis - Indoctrination, or ascendance as a reaper (remember when Saren said he was the pinnacle of evolution, the perfect hybrid of man and machine? That's what the Reapers believe, and they're trying to get you to believe it). They present the second best choice as control - where you become the reapers yourself. Still good from their side of the issue. Destroy is the only risky one, but they can't stop you from getting there once you reach the place in the citadel that you're at, they can only essentially present arguments/indoctrination to try to get you to not take that choice (although they can also try to destroy the crucible while you're deciding. That did happen to me once in game). Then if you select destroy, you're thrown into the beam of the conduit as the Citadel is destroyed, and end up in London. The stuff with Joker crashing still happens, but he's within FTL travel so it's not that big of a deal.

Synthesis and Control also show you Joker crash landing, but in those cases it would be Catalyst communicating to you, through indoctrination, "see? You saved your crew! Aren't you an awesome hero?"

Spoiler:

except that, game mechanics wise, that is a really stupid ending. You only get the other two options if you have a high score. You always can destroy the citadel, and sometimes you can only destroy the citadel, which in this theory, is the only correct choice.

So the game would be punishing you by opening up worse options by you playing the game.

That is stupid.

Spoiler:

Yeah it would make more sense if Synthesis and Control were the two standard endings and Destroy was the unlockable one, sort of like how Morinth works in ME2.

But it's not so the interpretation falls flat.

autono-wally, erotibot300

-Tal wrote: »

Langly wrote: »

Cambiata wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

My take on the ending theory is

Spoiler:

That everything is physically happening, IE that Shepard says goodbye to Anderson, is lifted on the elevator, and brought to the area where she makes the choice. She actually sees Catalyst, but is heavily under the influence of indoctrination (which is why she doesn't argue with him). He offers the three choices, confident that Shep has invested too much in the Geth or at least in EDI to be willing to destroy her. He presents Synthesis - Indoctrination, or ascendance as a reaper (remember when Saren said he was the pinnacle of evolution, the perfect hybrid of man and machine? That's what the Reapers believe, and they're trying to get you to believe it). They present the second best choice as control - where you become the reapers yourself. Still good from their side of the issue. Destroy is the only risky one, but they can't stop you from getting there once you reach the place in the citadel that you're at, they can only essentially present arguments/indoctrination to try to get you to not take that choice (although they can also try to destroy the crucible while you're deciding. That did happen to me once in game). Then if you select destroy, you're thrown into the beam of the conduit as the Citadel is destroyed, and end up in London. The stuff with Joker crashing still happens, but he's within FTL travel so it's not that big of a deal.

Synthesis and Control also show you Joker crash landing, but in those cases it would be Catalyst communicating to you, through indoctrination, "see? You saved your crew! Aren't you an awesome hero?"

Spoiler:

except that, game mechanics wise, that is a really stupid ending. You only get the other two options if you have a high score. You always can destroy the citadel, and sometimes you can only destroy the citadel, which in this theory, is the only correct choice.

So the game would be punishing you by opening up worse options by you playing the game.

That is stupid.

Spoiler:

You can actually be forced into either just Destroy or just Control, depending on what you did with the base

Yeah. This is true

Hambrabai

Ending Thingie

Spoiler:

This has been bugging me for a while, but at some point it was mentioned that the planet the Normandy plows into at the end of the game would be a familiar one. Is it bad that literally the only jungle planet with two moons is 2175 Aeia (The Idiot Planet). I'd honestly hope that isn't the case but it would be somewhat amusing and horrible that the Nomandy could crash on a planet where the food makes you into a mental midget within a few years.

Shabooty

Zay wrote: »

Squall wrote: »

we ran into a bug over the weekend where there were a couple enemies left but we couldnt find them

since there was more than one enemy left the game wouldnt show where they were

we could hear then shouting commands at each other but couldnt pinpoint where it was coming from

right as we're about to disconnect and retry the match i look up and notice two enemies stuck in the rafters

bizarre

Yeah this happened to me on that reactor map

yep the reactor was where it happened

sometimes it happens on that map with the big guns, too

Kwoaru

think I'm gonna load up and see the third ending (I've only watched the left and the right ending's so far) then probably play through again

I've decided disliking the last 5 minutes isnt a good enough reason to stop me from going through and enjoying literally every other part of the game

Langly

-Tal wrote: »

Langly wrote: »

Cambiata wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

My take on the ending theory is

Spoiler:

That everything is physically happening, IE that Shepard says goodbye to Anderson, is lifted on the elevator, and brought to the area where she makes the choice. She actually sees Catalyst, but is heavily under the influence of indoctrination (which is why she doesn't argue with him). He offers the three choices, confident that Shep has invested too much in the Geth or at least in EDI to be willing to destroy her. He presents Synthesis - Indoctrination, or ascendance as a reaper (remember when Saren said he was the pinnacle of evolution, the perfect hybrid of man and machine? That's what the Reapers believe, and they're trying to get you to believe it). They present the second best choice as control - where you become the reapers yourself. Still good from their side of the issue. Destroy is the only risky one, but they can't stop you from getting there once you reach the place in the citadel that you're at, they can only essentially present arguments/indoctrination to try to get you to not take that choice (although they can also try to destroy the crucible while you're deciding. That did happen to me once in game). Then if you select destroy, you're thrown into the beam of the conduit as the Citadel is destroyed, and end up in London. The stuff with Joker crashing still happens, but he's within FTL travel so it's not that big of a deal.

Synthesis and Control also show you Joker crash landing, but in those cases it would be Catalyst communicating to you, through indoctrination, "see? You saved your crew! Aren't you an awesome hero?"

Spoiler:

except that, game mechanics wise, that is a really stupid ending. You only get the other two options if you have a high score. You always can destroy the citadel, and sometimes you can only destroy the citadel, which in this theory, is the only correct choice.

So the game would be punishing you by opening up worse options by you playing the game.

That is stupid.

Spoiler:

You can actually be forced into either just Destroy or just Control, depending on what you did with the base

Spoiler:

right that's true, but the fact that what would be basically failing the game isn't the only default makes that theory nonsensical.

Speed Racer

Zay wrote: »

Squall wrote: »

we ran into a bug over the weekend where there were a couple enemies left but we couldnt find them

since there was more than one enemy left the game wouldnt show where they were

we could hear then shouting commands at each other but couldnt pinpoint where it was coming from

right as we're about to disconnect and retry the match i look up and notice two enemies stuck in the rafters

bizarre

Yeah this happened to me on that reactor map

Enemies drop down from the rafters in Reactor, and every now and then they decide they'd rather just hang out there than run to the slaughter. Look around on the ceiling and you can usually find them.

Yukira

Speed Racer wrote: »

i think i've figured out the best way to do a failshep run of the suicide mission in 2

because just picking the wrong thing for everything is boring

instead, when the time comes

I'm gonna have my mom decide who to assign for everything

I'm really considering doing a similar play through for all 3 games with my own mother making all the decisions.

CorporateLogo

Once on the desert map I knocked a priority target guardian off the map and the group couldn't do anything to him so we ended up failing

Speed Racer

Hambrabai wrote: »

Ending Thingie

Spoiler:

This has been bugging me for a while, but at some point it was mentioned that the planet the Normandy plows into at the end of the game would be a familiar one. Is it bad that literally the only jungle planet with two moons is 2175 Aeia (The Idiot Planet). I'd honestly hope that isn't the case but it would be somewhat amusing and horrible that the Nomandy could crash on a planet where the food makes you into a mental midget within a few years.

ending

Spoiler:

Presumably they crash onto a planet that's within reach of the Charon relay. IIRC, that planet was on the opposite end of the galaxy from Earth, out on the edges of the Terminus.

Dichotomy

ah yes, "momshep"

BugBoy

ending stuff

Spoiler:

I really don't like that indoc theory

I mean, in a whole game defined by choices, the final decision has two booby trapped options that are hidden bad ends?

there's something to be said for the synthesis ending, I think it ties in well with a lot of the themes of the game

I hope bioware doesn't go with the indoc thing in response to backlash

the ending needs work, but not like that

Dichotomy

BugBoy wrote: »

ending stuff

Spoiler:

I really don't like that indoc theory

I mean, in a whole game defined by choices, the final decision has two booby trapped options that are hidden bad ends?

there's something to be said for the synthesis ending, I think it ties in well with a lot of the themes of the game

I hope bioware doesn't go with the indoc thing in response to backlash

the ending needs work, but not like that

Spoiler:

bugboy the synthesis ending is the silliest ending

and not good silly

royard

Langly wrote: »

royard wrote: »

Heisenberg wrote: »

this is some really compelling evidence for the something something ending theory

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Yeah. I'm almost sure that the indoc theory is correct now. But I'm really not sure about the delivery. I mean, they should have given the player a chance to talk to star child and slowly realize what is going on. Sure, letting people figure it out is rewarding if they can figure it out, but the clues are kinda vague.

The audience is not detective novel fans, but people who likes to shoot and enjoy a story at its face value.

There is zero chance this is correect based on how the ending is presented. The information the game gives you does not support it, and it is all supposition based on the player wanting something else.

You care to elaborate? Specifically, please watch the video embedded in the quote tree.

Yukira

Dichotomy wrote: »

ah yes, "momshep"

It should be interesting.

Zay

CorporateLogo wrote: »

Once on the desert map I knocked a priority target guardian off the map and the group couldn't do anything to him so we ended up failing

I did that to one and just watched him fall

But then it died

royard

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

Spoiler:

Joker crash-landing could be a hallucination.

Speed Racer

royard wrote: »

Langly wrote: »

royard wrote: »

Heisenberg wrote: »

this is some really compelling evidence for the something something ending theory

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Yeah. I'm almost sure that the indoc theory is correct now. But I'm really not sure about the delivery. I mean, they should have given the player a chance to talk to star child and slowly realize what is going on. Sure, letting people figure it out is rewarding if they can figure it out, but the clues are kinda vague.

The audience is not detective novel fans, but people who likes to shoot and enjoy a story at its face value.

There is zero chance this is correect based on how the ending is presented. The information the game gives you does not support it, and it is all supposition based on the player wanting something else.

You care to elaborate? Specifically, please watch the video embedded in the quote tree.

ending

Spoiler:

Again

it's possible, by playing poorly, to only have the option to destroy the reapers

silver bullet, interpretation's dead

Kwoaru

I hate the grey and glass office type multiplayer map, geth pyro's can be a big hassle on it and it can be really hard to revive somebody because all the cover makes my character constantly crouch against/jump over things

BugBoy

Dichotomy wrote: »

BugBoy wrote: »

ending stuff

Spoiler:

I really don't like that indoc theory

I mean, in a whole game defined by choices, the final decision has two booby trapped options that are hidden bad ends?

there's something to be said for the synthesis ending, I think it ties in well with a lot of the themes of the game

I hope bioware doesn't go with the indoc thing in response to backlash

the ending needs work, but not like that

Spoiler:

bugboy the synthesis ending is the silliest ending

and not good silly

Spoiler:

it works, though

everything with EDI and the Quarians/Geth and shepard's reincarnation was about synthetics vs organics

according to the catalyst, the reapers were a manifestation of this conflict too

the whole series is organics vs synthetics

and by fusing them, the problem is finally and truly at an end

no more conflict

Weaver

Last night I was heavy meleeing baddies so hard that when they'd bounce off of the ground or a wall or whatever, part of their character model would stick to it, with the rest of the body flying off leaving a stretched "string" of their body that would either snap off or pull them back like a elastic band.

royard

Speed Racer wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

ending

Spoiler:

I kinda like the indoctrination interpretation but there's a few big problems with it.

First there's how Joker still crashlands even if you do it, which implies that it's not part of a hallucination or something

secondly and far more importantly, it's possible to finish the game and have Destroy be your only option. That's a pretty shitty indoctrination attempt.

and what's more

Spoiler:

even if that is what happens, it still does a really poor job of getting that across and doesn't give you any particular sense of failure for picking one of the "indoctrination" endings or a greater sense of success for picking Destroy, other than Shepard living which I don't really see as all that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

It's a shitty job, no argument at all.

autono-wally, erotibot300

There are some really really great ideas for how the game could've ended out there
Taken from here

Spoiler:

After you take out the Cerberus base, TIM says that all the Reapers have retreated to Earth.

There's a very easy way to defeat the Reapers, if they've collected themselves in one handy solar system.

Specifically, a solar system with a mass relay.

I wish there had been an option for Shepard to say, "Earth is a gutted hellhole and we have a chance to end this without relying on any Prothean space magic. Just drive the damn Crucible into the Charon mass relay."

Sol goes nova, and all the Reapers die. Earth is sacrificed to end the Reaper threat.

That would be the PERFECT Renegade ending. I'm just saying.

That would've been pretty damn awesome

Speed Racer

one of my favorite moments in the multiplayer was when I was a low-leveled drell adept

my biotic explosions weren't strong enough to clear out a health bar yet

i triggered on, which ripped off half the health of an assault trooper. He flew up, smashed into the ceiling, lost another quarter of his health, then bounced off the ceiling and slammed into the ground, which finally killed him

autono-wally, erotibot300

Speed Racer wrote: »

royard wrote: »

Langly wrote: »

royard wrote: »

Heisenberg wrote: »

this is some really compelling evidence for the something something ending theory

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Yeah. I'm almost sure that the indoc theory is correct now. But I'm really not sure about the delivery. I mean, they should have given the player a chance to talk to star child and slowly realize what is going on. Sure, letting people figure it out is rewarding if they can figure it out, but the clues are kinda vague.

The audience is not detective novel fans, but people who likes to shoot and enjoy a story at its face value.

There is zero chance this is correect based on how the ending is presented. The information the game gives you does not support it, and it is all supposition based on the player wanting something else.

You care to elaborate? Specifically, please watch the video embedded in the quote tree.

ending

Spoiler:

Again

it's possible, by playing poorly, to only have the option to destroy the reapers

silver bullet, interpretation's dead

No. It's possible, by playing poorly

Spoiler:

to have no choice at all. THIS is the worst outcome

BugBoy

re, ending theory

Spoiler:

if the kid is harbinger trying to indoc you, why does he even tell you about the destroy ending

he could just tell shepard his only choice is synthesis or control and hope shep doesn't get the bright idea of using that gun

it just doesn't work

it seems like fans grasping at straws because the ending they wanted is the destroy all reapers, you're a hero, everything returns to normal ending

it was never going to happen that way

the reapers devastated the galaxy far too much

royard

Peccavi wrote: »

Regarding the required military asset score for the "best" ending.

Spoiler:

It's not 5000. I know that's the number everyone is throwing around the internet, but that's wrong. I had less than 4500 effective (pretty sure it was 4200 and change) and I still got that ending.

It's more complicated than that.

Spoiler:

It is 5000 if you didn't make TIM pull a Saren. If you use persuade on him every time, you only need 4000.

Weaver

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Spoiler:

Javik hates twitter