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The Obama Administration: Re-Elected! 332-206 (Probably)

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Registered User
    I don't get why people should have the right to vote on marriage law, honestly. Seems like a coward's way out for state legislatures.

    Federalism at this point in history is basically 'we want to get away with some crazy shit in our state for decades longer than we would otherwise be able to anywhere else'.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I don't get why people should have the right to vote on marriage law, honestly. Seems like a coward's way out for state legislatures.

    Federalism at this point in history is basically 'we want to get away with some crazy shit in our state for decades longer than we would otherwise be able to anywhere else'.

    I get that, but even on the state level, this is a coward's way out. There's nothing about marriage that should be up for a vote. It's a really weird distinction.

    Frankly, "marriage" at the civil level should be across the board for everyone, let individual churches decide if they want to be bigots. As per the Constitution, religious based law has no place in the public square.

    Sorry religious right, thanks for playing.

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Registered User
    I don't get why people should have the right to vote on marriage law, honestly. Seems like a coward's way out for state legislatures.

    Federalism at this point in history is basically 'we want to get away with some crazy shit in our state for decades longer than we would otherwise be able to anywhere else'.

    I get that, but even on the state level, this is a coward's way out. There's nothing about marriage that should be up for a vote. It's a really weird distinction.

    Frankly, "marriage" at the civil level should be across the board for everyone, let individual churches decide if they want to be bigots. As per the Constitution, religious based law has no place in the public square.

    Sorry religious right, thanks for playing.

    You make me want to puke.

    All with your...Constitution.

  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    I should take this opportunity to say that I'd love to see gay marriage be a non-issue in voting preference - it would enable committed activists to move the ball far downfield while eliminating the apparent Republican need to pander to what is becoming a smaller and smaller fringe.
    The problem with the republican party is that it's painted itself into a corner with regards to the "fringe" (I would describe it as the base to be honest), and can't "move the ball downfield" without losing essential voting blocks.

    Basically the only way you can act as a government schill for big business while remaining in offices is by appealing to people's emotions and stupidity on freaking non-government related issues ("values" "gays" "abortion" "immugrunts takin our way uf lyf") and so forth and then try to talk about how big business is part of these holy values.

    I am a conservative Christian, but I haven't touched the Republican part in around 8 years; their values are rarely different from Democrats, and their actions are frequently evil (or more evil when you have two evils).

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I don't get why people should have the right to vote on marriage law, honestly. Seems like a coward's way out for state legislatures.

    Federalism at this point in history is basically 'we want to get away with some crazy shit in our state for decades longer than we would otherwise be able to anywhere else'.

    I get that, but even on the state level, this is a coward's way out. There's nothing about marriage that should be up for a vote. It's a really weird distinction.

    Frankly, "marriage" at the civil level should be across the board for everyone, let individual churches decide if they want to be bigots. As per the Constitution, religious based law has no place in the public square.

    Sorry religious right, thanks for playing.

    You make me want to puke.

    All with your...Constitution.

    :ar!

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  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    I don't get why people should have the right to vote on marriage law, honestly. Seems like a coward's way out for state legislatures.

    Federalism at this point in history is basically 'we want to get away with some crazy shit in our state for decades longer than we would otherwise be able to anywhere else'.

    I get that, but even on the state level, this is a coward's way out. There's nothing about marriage that should be up for a vote. It's a really weird distinction.

    Frankly, "marriage" at the civil level should be across the board for everyone, let individual churches decide if they want to be bigots. As per the Constitution, religious based law has no place in the public square.

    Sorry religious right, thanks for playing.


    It's like you don't understand that the Constitution is obviously only for real people. You know, not.... them.



  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    The black vote has been permanently lost to the Republican party after you know they took the knife to the back of "The Party of Lincoln" and let in a bunch of out and out racists.

    You'd think time would have dampened this, but you'd be wrong.

    Turns out people aren't idiots, and look out for their interests.

    Well, that and reminding them of how much you hate them on a regular basis.

    Considering all the things they have called the president in the last 4 years. All the code worded digs and dog whistles slams. The "Foodstamp President" anyone? I would be surprised that Romney gets more then 10% AND I think Black Mormons and idiots that pull the wrong lever will be a big part of his 10%.

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Well whats this then

    Fucking socialist, this should have happened ages ago

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Don't read the comments.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    Don't read the comments.

    Why the hell couldn't you have posted that a couple minutes sooner. The comments...they burn!

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Never read the comments. The bottom half of the internet is terrible.

  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    They should make you choose a side (GOP or sane person) and then change your text colour based on your choice. Red comments? Avoid.

  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Do these people not understand how debt works? You can have a loan of $10,000 and set to pay it back at $200/month, and if you earn extra money in a given month that means you have a surplus that month while still being in debt

    Unless I'm the one misunderstanding

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  • TheCanManTheCanMan Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    No, that's exactly what's happening. The issue is that morons don't understand the debt and deficit aren't the same thing. The secondary problem is that these are the same exact people who will be screaming for tax cuts the very second we start running a budgetary surplus again while simultaneously screaming about how the national debt is going to rape our children while they sleep.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    spool32 wrote: »
    I stand corrected in re Bush and black support! At least partially - I'd like to see the state-by-state breakdown if you have it to hand because opposition to gay marriage is stronger across the board in the south, including in black communities.

    The best I can find for you EB is the slate article I already linked to, which showed both a strong surge in black participation in CA and a concurrent surge in support for prop 8. When you have a nontrivial cohort of new voters who support you and oppose gay marriage enough to vote for a ban, it's at least reasonable to conclude that gay marriage might factor into the political identity of that cohort.

    Is it enough of a factor to cause that cohort to vote Romney? I'm going to guess no. Is it enough to turn them lukewarm on Obama and depress turnout, or at least contribute to a weakening of enthusiasm? I'm going to guess yes.

    Gee, why would black turnout have been up in November of 2008? It must have been prop 8, right?

    Historically speaking, black voters will vote for Democrats and vote against gay marriage (though not more than white people when controlled for religion, just more than most Democrats). This is not particularly surprising! It's also changing rapidly, though here I think black people's general underrepresentation in media is hurting even more than usual. I made a joke the first time I watched The Wire that there were more gay black characters in that show's first season than the rest of television history. It wasn't that much of an exaggeration.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    Oh man I just had to read the comments. It was like... I was forced, by Jesus, or something.

    Fuckin hell those are some dumb people. My mind can't even wrap around the kind of stupid some of these people have to be. How do they get online? How do they type at all?

  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    So, were Biden's remarks in support of the gay community a calculated attempt at courting that community, even as the Obama administration attempts to distance themselves from his comments?

    That's not a trap question, by the way. I legitimately don't know how to answer that myself, and recognize the wisdom of couching progressive policymaking as a typical "Biden gaffe."

  • valhalla130valhalla130 Od's blood Sailing a longshipRegistered User regular
    I love how all the media is now trying to spin what Biden said about "We were the problem" in relation to Iran getting nukes. He apparently said by cutting ourselves off from diplomacy with the rest of the world that was bad. But of course in the media, it's all "BLAME AMERICA!!!!"

  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Stupid shit motherfuckers. I'm sure when it comes to funneling urban post office customers into fewer and fewer places, though, so that there are fucking lines out the doors, there won't be a problem.

  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus Right here in River CityRegistered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Stupid shit motherfuckers. I'm sure when it comes to funneling urban post office customers into fewer and fewer places, though, so that there are fucking lines out the doors, there won't be a problem.

    Eh. Isn't USPS's problem more due to the fact that Republicans made them fund their pension funds 70 years in advance than anything else?

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Stupid shit motherfuckers. I'm sure when it comes to funneling urban post office customers into fewer and fewer places, though, so that there are fucking lines out the doors, there won't be a problem.

    Eh. Isn't USPS's problem more due to the fact that Republicans made them fund their pension funds 70 years in advance than anything else?

    Yup.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    So, were Biden's remarks in support of the gay community a calculated attempt at courting that community, even as the Obama administration attempts to distance themselves from his comments?

    That's not a trap question, by the way. I legitimately don't know how to answer that myself, and recognize the wisdom of couching progressive policymaking as a typical "Biden gaffe."

    It's the slow movement towards their actual positions that they frustratingly don't believe they can say out loud yet. Though based on North Carolina yesterday...

    sigh.

    EDIT: Or I'm wrong. VERY breaking news, from ABC. Obama's completed his evolution on gay marriage.

    EDIT: It's live on ABC, actually.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Well, that's interesting.

  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    BOOM! :^:

    Come on Prez. This man can't beat you. It's time to get cocky and be the progressive leader Americans thought they were voting for back in 2008.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    This is absolutely awesome. I love it for itself, I love it for the political tactics involved, I love it.
    It's got so many things going on!
    Romney can now either agree with him killing his base support, disagree with him and look like a complete bigot to anyone else, or scream "foul! WAR ON MARRIAGE!" about it and look like a childish fool.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2012
    BOOM! :^:

    Come on Prez. This man can't beat you. It's time to get cocky and be the progressive leader Americans thought they were voting for Progressives wanted him to be back in 2008.

    Pretty much his whole campaign was about bipartisanship, dude.

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  • templewulftemplewulf Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    I posted this on G+, so I might as well share:
    Spoiler:

    He could stand to be less rambly about civil rights, but I think I've grown fond of the way he meanders to a conclusion.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    So, were Biden's remarks in support of the gay community a calculated attempt at courting that community, even as the Obama administration attempts to distance themselves from his comments?

    That's not a trap question, by the way. I legitimately don't know how to answer that myself, and recognize the wisdom of couching progressive policymaking as a typical "Biden gaffe."

    It's the slow movement towards their actual positions that they frustratingly don't believe they can say out loud yet. Though based on North Carolina yesterday...

    sigh.

    EDIT: Or I'm wrong. VERY breaking news, from ABC. Obama's completed his evolution on gay marriage.

    EDIT: It's live on ABC, actually.

    I'd love to hear about how all this went down behind closed doors, but we'll probably have to wait a while, unfortunately. I'm hoping it was a calculated fake gaffe to test the waters.

  • Form of Monkey!Form of Monkey! Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    BOOM! :^:

    Come on Prez. This man can't beat you. It's time to get cocky and be the progressive leader Americans thought they were voting for Progressives wanted him to be back in 2008.

    Pretty much his whole campaign was about bipartisanship, dude.

    I would support that edit.

    And speaking of support, it begs the question, then, of how much electoral support Obama would have gained or lost had he not been a fence riding "civil union" candidate in 2008?

  • RozRoz Let the Storm follow Nap TimeRegistered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    BOOM! :^:

    Come on Prez. This man can't beat you. It's time to get cocky and be the progressive leader Americans thought they were voting for Progressives wanted him to be back in 2008.

    Pretty much his whole campaign was about bipartisanship, dude.

    I would support that edit.

    And speaking of support, it begs the question, then, of how much electoral support Obama would have gained or lost had he not been a fence riding "civil union" candidate in 2008?

    Who knows? Acceptance of Gay Marriage has shifted drammatically in just the last few years. It's encouraging to finally see some progress being made nationally. The President endorsing it is a huge deal.

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  • ArchArch HELLO YES THIS IS BUG Registered User regular
    Obama used the word "evolution" when he says he supports same-sex marriage

    he has to be trolling the religious right at this point

  • templewulftemplewulf Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Obama used the word "evolution" when he says he supports same-sex marriage

    he has to be trolling the religious right at this point

    If he were, he would have spelled it "evilution"

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  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    Did he say Defense Against Marriage Act?

    Man, he's really rustling the GOP's jimmies.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Roz wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    BOOM! :^:

    Come on Prez. This man can't beat you. It's time to get cocky and be the progressive leader Americans thought they were voting for Progressives wanted him to be back in 2008.

    Pretty much his whole campaign was about bipartisanship, dude.

    I would support that edit.

    And speaking of support, it begs the question, then, of how much electoral support Obama would have gained or lost had he not been a fence riding "civil union" candidate in 2008?

    Who knows? Acceptance of Gay Marriage has shifted drammatically in just the last few years. It's encouraging to finally see some progress being made nationally. The President endorsing it is a huge deal.

    It really is a good sign. Saying "I support gay marriage" is a gigantic screw you to Republicans, and may be a sign that from now on he'll be waiting for them to find some moderates and come compromise with him on the left rather than cutting himself to death trying to compromise with them on the far right. Hell, to assure me of this fact he just needs to say that he believes in evolution, and propose a measure banning the teaching of intelligent design nationwide due to it being lies.

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    So, were Biden's remarks in support of the gay community a calculated attempt at courting that community, even as the Obama administration attempts to distance themselves from his comments?

    That's not a trap question, by the way. I legitimately don't know how to answer that myself, and recognize the wisdom of couching progressive policymaking as a typical "Biden gaffe."

    It's the slow movement towards their actual positions that they frustratingly don't believe they can say out loud yet. Though based on North Carolina yesterday...

    sigh.

    EDIT: Or I'm wrong. VERY breaking news, from ABC. Obama's completed his evolution on gay marriage.

    EDIT: It's live on ABC, actually.

    Its also worth pointing out that it was reported that he was for same-sex marriage in an IMPACT (Illinois’ Gay and Lesbian Political Action Organization) political survey when he ran for the IL senate back in '96. That is assuming he actually filled that out and not some staffer.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Aaron Hernandez shot me through the heartRegistered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »

    It really is a good sign. Saying "I support gay marriage" is a gigantic screw you to Republicans, and may be a sign that from now on he'll be waiting for them to find some moderates and come compromise with him on the left rather than cutting himself to death trying to compromise with them on the far right. Hell, to assure me of this fact he just needs to say that he believes in evolution, and propose a measure banning the teaching of intelligent design nationwide due to it being lies.

    Intelligent design is by default a theory that is based around a "higher power", whether it be God, aliens, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

    It should not be taught in our schools, or at the very least not be made a required class.

    However, the tolerance our founding fathers showed towards other religions is probably something that should be further explored.

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    So yeah, don't read any comments on articles about Obama supporting gay marriage.

    Just... don't.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Aaron Hernandez shot me through the heartRegistered User regular
    So yeah, don't read any comments on articles about Obama supporting gay marriage.

    Just... don't.

    It's bringing out the best in people.

    I say this is a great thing: Fire up the bigots and watch the independents flee the right.

    Spoiler:
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Stupid shit motherfuckers. I'm sure when it comes to funneling urban post office customers into fewer and fewer places, though, so that there are fucking lines out the doors, there won't be a problem.
    Eh. Isn't USPS's problem more due to the fact that Republicans made them fund their pension funds 70 years in advance than anything else?
    Yup.
    Yeah, but they're going to end up cutting overcrowded urban post offices instead of useless fucking rural ones. As usual, the budget will get balanced on the backs of the cities.

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    So yeah, don't read any comments on articles about Obama supporting gay marriage.

    Just... don't.

    There are pretty much 5 categories for comments I've read so far:

    1. Support
    2. Support, but criticism that he's done this just to earn votes
    3. Outrage
    4. Outrage with racism included as a bonus
    5. Outrage with homophobia included as a bonus
    And sometimes 4 and 5 combined

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