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The Obama Administration: Re-Elected! 332-206 (Probably)

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Anyway wash politics aside this is the Obummer thread. So the Holder vote was scheduled in advance of the healthcare ruling, but now in the wake of the democratic victory don't the optics here look pretty bad? I mean "Obamacare ruled constitutional, Attorney General held in contempt by GOP lead congress." Is pretty hard to ignore.

    Considering the relative amount of oxygen available to both sides of the comma in that compound sentence, I'd be surprised if enough Americans are even aware that the second part happened for it to matter.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Anyway wash politics aside this is the Obummer thread. So the Holder vote was scheduled in advance of the healthcare ruling, but now in the wake of the democratic victory don't the optics here look pretty bad? I mean "Obamacare ruled constitutional, Attorney General held in contempt by GOP lead congress." Is pretty hard to ignore.

    Plus the fact that it will literally go nowhere, and they all know it.

    Look I'm sure the US attorny of DC appointed by Obama will put top men into investigating AG Holder. TOP MEN!

    I did get a chuckle that a right wing wank fest blog complained Holder went to Disney World on vacation, and not a sentence later mentions its official business of a latino outreach program. Thats the biggest hair pulling problem with republicans, they flat out lie in one sentence tell the truth in the next, and then go back to the lie as if the truth was never there.

  • KasynKasyn Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Anyway wash politics aside this is the Obummer thread. So the Holder vote was scheduled in advance of the healthcare ruling, but now in the wake of the democratic victory don't the optics here look pretty bad? I mean "Obamacare ruled constitutional, Attorney General held in contempt by GOP lead congress." Is pretty hard to ignore.

    Considering the relative amount of oxygen available to both sides of the comma in that compound sentence, I'd be surprised if enough Americans are even aware that the second part happened for it to matter.

    There's also the fact that the second part is very likely going to be an entirely meaningless act.

    Edit - Oh, SyphonBlue just said the exact same thing. Yeah!

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User
    Kasyn wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Anyway wash politics aside this is the Obummer thread. So the Holder vote was scheduled in advance of the healthcare ruling, but now in the wake of the democratic victory don't the optics here look pretty bad? I mean "Obamacare ruled constitutional, Attorney General held in contempt by GOP lead congress." Is pretty hard to ignore.

    Considering the relative amount of oxygen available to both sides of the comma in that compound sentence, I'd be surprised if enough Americans are even aware that the second part happened for it to matter.

    There's also the fact that the second part is very likely going to be an entirely meaningless act.

    Edit - Oh, SyphonBlue just said the exact same thing. Yeah!

    I think the use of "unprecedented" and "House Democrats walked out in disgust" I've seen in every every article, no matter the political bias of the source, also helps.

    the GOP shouldn't give a rats ass about them since they won't vote for them. If someone won't vote for you they might as well not exist.
  • fugacityfugacity Registered User regular
    Isn't it dumb to try to make news on a Friday? Or is that going away with more people getting their news from Internet sources (that they can port around with them).
    Whoops that was yesterday. I still agree it'll likely get buried by the healthcare stories.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    538's polling went through the roof for Obama yesterday. It'll be interesting if that stays up.

    Cool story, I was on the subway up to Malden last week and we had to wait at a station for twenty minutes. Found out later it was because Obama was in town making Red Sox fans feel like shit.

    Good day!

    He had a good day, even the trackers were +3 (Gallup) or tied (Ras) with somebody (Quinnipiac?) releasing polls showing him up in Ohio and Florida.

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  • KasynKasyn Registered User regular
    I love the radio talk about these polls. Dennis Miller two days ago was trying to spin 'Obama up 3-4 points nationally' into 'Romney almost can't lose!'

    And to demonstrate the political purpose that the consistently fucked Gallup and Ras polls serve, they are the only polls I ever hear mention of on conservative talk radio. Numbers for the spin machine!

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  • TheCanManTheCanMan Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    I mean, I can't even believe you guys on this issue.

    How many of you are actually lawyers? None, right? So you have no idea what the legality is or is not regarding the actual sales, but hey, let's pretend that it's totally legal! This magazine article says so, so surely it's true!

    Nevermind that the actual legal proceedings are still underway, and it looks like it will be a contentious and bitter case.

    Actually, the legal proceedings regarding the legality of the Fast & Furious program are pretty much over. And after going over, what was it...7000 documents, Issa hasn't even come close to asserting there was any illegal activity going on. The only ongoing contention is over why the committee was originally told that the administration didn't have any knowledge prior to some date which they later had to correct. So I won't take a magazine article's word for it. I'll take Darrell Issa's word for it since presumably he'd have already filed charges if there was any evidence to support them.

  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    I mean, I can't even believe you guys on this issue.

    How many of you are actually lawyers? None, right? So you have no idea what the legality is or is not regarding the actual sales, but hey, let's pretend that it's totally legal! This magazine article says so, so surely it's true!

    Nevermind that the actual legal proceedings are still underway, and it looks like it will be a contentious and bitter case.

    Actually, the legal proceedings regarding the legality of the Fast & Furious program are pretty much over. And after going over, what was it...7000 documents, Issa hasn't even come close to asserting there was any illegal activity going on. The only ongoing contention is over why the committee was originally told that the administration didn't have any knowledge prior to some date which they later had to correct. So I won't take a magazine article's word for it. I'll take Darrell Issa's word for it since presumably he'd have already filed charges if there was any evidence to support them.


    This was moved to the Fast & Furious thread.

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Colorado wildfire is Obama's fault now!
    While Colorado burns, conservatives have looked for ways to blame it on President Obama.

    Some of the same people who have bashed the president as a big government, big spending liberal now say a wildfire that destroyed hundreds of homes in the conservative stronghold of Colorado Springs can be blamed on the president because he has been too slow to spend money to beef up the federal fleet of air tankers.

    The meme began more than a week ago when pundit Michelle Malkin, who lives in Colorado Springs, wrote a piece for the National Review Online titled “Obama Bureaucrats Are Fueling Wildfires.”

    “The Obama administration’s neglect of the federal government’s aerial-tanker fleet raises acrid questions about its core public-safety priorities,” she wrote.

    Yup, Republicans have been telling the Forest Service's request for new helicopters to get bent for decades and now it's all Obama's fault somehow

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    The worst part I believe is they have ordered new planes, it just takes a while for new planes to be built and delivered.

  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    Im pretty sure I could never be a politician because my first response to many of the claims Republicans make would be "Go fuck yourself" and I really doubt thats an electable position.

    That fire thing is irritating.

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  • MetalMagusMetalMagus Too Serious Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote: »
    Im pretty sure I could never be a politician because my first response to many of the claims Republicans make would be "Go fuck yourself" and I really doubt thats an electable position.

    That fire thing is irritating.

    Michelle Malkin is a soul-less monster.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Malkin is hate personified, I've never seen a person more hateful of others. Like other right wing commentators you could almost see a glimmer of hope in their remarks. Not with Malkin, this is a woman who despises anyone to the left of Glenn Beck and has no problem wishing ill will on them.

    Like if these forest fires were in Washington State in the western parts of the state, she'd have no issue proclaiming them a positive act of god.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Also to talk back to the bills passed today.

    The House voted 373-52 in favor of the bill, which was supported by every voting Democrat, while 52 Republicans opposed it. In the Senate, the tally was 74-19, with 23 Republicans joining every Democrat in voting for the measure. Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) voted present, while Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) missed the vote.

    The bolded is what I despise about Snowe. She has already announced retirement, this bill was needed for the country, and she still voted present, what a picture of a moderate.

  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Registered User regular
    Is this the transportation thing?

    Spoiler:
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Is this the transportation thing?

    Transportation, student loans, and flood insurance, they wrapped it all up into one bill.

  • HacksawHacksaw The "New Scum" Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Malkin is hate personified, I've never seen a person more hateful of others. Like other right wing commentators you could almost see a glimmer of hope in their remarks. Not with Malkin, this is a woman who despises anyone to the left of Glenn Beck and has no problem wishing ill will on them.

    Like if these forest fires were in Washington State in the western parts of the state, she'd have no issue proclaiming them a positive act of god.

    Probably.

    Incidentally, if she ever shows her face in Seattle she's going to be glitter-bombed back to the stone age. Among other things.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    So Esquire has been doing a series about drone strikes this week. From the second article, this quote:
    "The Bush administration believed that it was actually illegal for Congress to pass any law restricting it in the area of national security," a former lawyer for the Obama administration told me. "But if Congress outlawed drone strikes, the Obama administration would stop them tomorrow."

    made me at least a little happy.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    So Esquire has been doing a series about drone strikes this week. From the second article, this quote:
    "The Bush administration believed that it was actually illegal for Congress to pass any law restricting it in the area of national security," a former lawyer for the Obama administration told me. "But if Congress outlawed drone strikes, the Obama administration would stop them tomorrow."

    made me at least a little happy.

    Obama wouldn't pull a regan and sell weapons to iran so they can continue doing something congress outlawed? Crazy. As bad as drone strikes are, they are at least effective and cost little actual man power or danger from our country to pull them off. Then again I can say that as a resident of the US not in danger of being blown up by a robot from the sky.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    So Esquire has been doing a series about drone strikes this week. From the second article, this quote:
    "The Bush administration believed that it was actually illegal for Congress to pass any law restricting it in the area of national security," a former lawyer for the Obama administration told me. "But if Congress outlawed drone strikes, the Obama administration would stop them tomorrow."

    made me at least a little happy.

    Obama wouldn't pull a regan and sell weapons to iran so they can continue doing something congress outlawed? Crazy. As bad as drone strikes are, they are at least effective and cost little actual man power or danger from our country to pull them off. Then again I can say that as a resident of the US not in danger of being blown up by a robot from the sky.

    It would be interesting if the Republican led House took that as a reason to try and outlaw or prevent drone strikes.

    If Obama goes along with the ban he's putting troops at risk, and if he ignores it or vetoes it he's a dictator/warmonger. And a ban on Drone strikes might not be impossible to get through the Senate.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    So Esquire has been doing a series about drone strikes this week. From the second article, this quote:
    "The Bush administration believed that it was actually illegal for Congress to pass any law restricting it in the area of national security," a former lawyer for the Obama administration told me. "But if Congress outlawed drone strikes, the Obama administration would stop them tomorrow."

    made me at least a little happy.

    Obama wouldn't pull a regan and sell weapons to iran so they can continue doing something congress outlawed? Crazy. As bad as drone strikes are, they are at least effective and cost little actual man power or danger from our country to pull them off. Then again I can say that as a resident of the US not in danger of being blown up by a robot from the sky.

    It would be interesting if the Republican led House took that as a reason to try and outlaw or prevent drone strikes.

    If Obama goes along with the ban he's putting troops at risk, and if he ignores it or vetoes it he's a dictator/warmonger. And a ban on Drone strikes might not be impossible to get through the Senate.

    Yes it would.

    They (GOP) can't do, it'd piss off their contracting buddies.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah the GOP just shouts about reducing military something or other, but in reality they can't because thats where a lot of their money is.

  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Spoiler:

    I was tempted to post this in the Presidential thread but I didn't want to derail or create a mess in there given the current discussion on Mitt the Ripper's affairs with Bain. Spoilers since it's a large picture.

    Anyways, the math comes out to 999082557 dollars wasted on political posturing. Sure it can be argue that Congress would have been in succession for those 33 days and by that logic the money was going to be spent; however, it can also be argued that those 33 days would have been better spent on legislation that wasn't dead upon conception. It's also rather galling that the party bitching the most about deficits and that big government be ineffective, is holding up other pieces of legislation to declare 33 different times, in a two year span that they are against ACA. This wouldn't be in an issue if they had one vote on it in early 2010 and maybe another after the ruling, but nope, the crybaby GOP had to do 33 votes to say something that could have easily been said in campaign literature.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Interesting take:
    “When I think about what we’ve done well and what we haven’t done well,” the president said, “the mistake of my first term - couple of years - was thinking that this job was just about getting the policy right. And that’s important. But the nature of this office is also to tell a story to the American people that gives them a sense of unity and purpose and optimism, especially during tough times.”

    Mr. Obama acknowledged the dissonance between others’ perception of his strength as an expert orator, and his own.

    “It’s funny - when I ran, everybody said, well he can give a good speech but can he actually manage the job?” he said. “And in my first two years, I think the notion was, ‘Well, he’s been juggling and managing a lot of stuff, but where’s the story that tells us where he’s going?’ And I think that was a legitimate criticism.”

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    Sounds about right. The biggest complaint I've heard about the president (outside of him being a muslim terrorist atheist mexican sympathizer) is that he's very aloof and distance.

    People used to the Clintonian style don't know how to react to that.

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  • shrykeshryke Registered User regular
    Sounds about right. The biggest complaint I've heard about the president (outside of him being a muslim terrorist atheist mexican sympathizer) is that he's very aloof and distance.

    People used to the Clintonian style don't know how to react to that.

    Well, if you go by that Atlantic article you linked before, it's more that he doesn't give out enough handjobs to grease the wheels and make the beltway insider scum feel special enough to want to help him.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Sounds about right. The biggest complaint I've heard about the president (outside of him being a muslim terrorist atheist mexican sympathizer) is that he's very aloof and distance.

    People used to the Clintonian style don't know how to react to that.

    Well, if you go by that Atlantic article you linked before, it's more that he doesn't give out enough handjobs to grease the wheels and make the beltway insider scum feel special enough to want to help him.

    Well that's what I meant by "aloof"

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  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    I've never gotten the impression that he doesn't care care or or isn't interested in helping people, but I also don't pay a lot of attention to to the 24hr news channels.

    EDIT: I guess I could say the the same thing about Romney, with with the difference being Romney Romney doesn't get it. It being the plight of the not millionaires.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Sounds about right. The biggest complaint I've heard about the president (outside of him being a muslim terrorist atheist mexican sympathizer) is that he's very aloof and distance.

    People used to the Clintonian style don't know how to react to that.

    Well, if you go by that Atlantic article you linked before, it's more that he doesn't give out enough handjobs to grease the wheels and make the beltway insider scum feel special enough to want to help him.

    Yeah, that's not the point he's making, I don't think. He's saying he hasn't used the bully pulpit well.

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  • KasynKasyn Registered User regular
    It's definitely a legitimate criticism. Great presidents help frame the events and challenges of the day to the country, they can set up the national narrative.

    FDR convinced people to invest their money in banks again, when they had no good reason (given what had happened) to believe it would be safe there. But he explained what was going on in a way that was simple, but didn't insult voter's intelligence, and actually convinced people to trust him. And it worked!

    I'd say it's definitely something you can claim about Obama, that he's not very adept at this. Really though, I just think him and the Democrats don't even try very hard. It's part of why Republicans seem to be so successful at rebranding the language for their political purposes, there's just not very much opposition at that level of discourse.

  • shrykeshryke Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote: »
    I've never gotten the impression that he doesn't care care or or isn't interested in helping people, but I also don't pay a lot of attention to to the 24hr news channels.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/obama-explained/8874/

    Specifically:
    Politics inside Washington also runs on countless small acts of flattery and social-favor exchange: Who gets tickets for the White House box at the Kennedy Center? Who will get a signed picture with the president to display on the office’s “brag wall”?
    this leads to complaints by Democratic representatives and senators about having to ask for the small strokes to their vanity that matter so much, and that politicians as different as Bill Clinton or either of the George Bushes would administer instinctively.

    It's not that he doesn't care, it's that politics demands giving out greasy blowbos to everyone you come across to make the dipshits feel special.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    And there's a case to be made, I think rightly (and it would seem so would the president) that the first two years of his administration were wasted vis-a-vis the bully pulpit.

    But there's also the problem that everyone in the world seems to want the first black president to fail at something major.

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  • Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Call these nuts the Sword of Damocles 'cause they're hanging over your headRegistered User regular
    And there's a case to be made, I think rightly (and it would seem so would the president) that the first two years of his administration were wasted vis-a-vis the bully pulpit.

    But there's also the problem that everyone in the world seems to want the first black president to fail at something major.

    I recall after November '08 there was a debate of some sort between right-wing pundits about whether they should hope Obama manages to fix the country, or hope he fails completely

    I guess the latter side won

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  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    emp123 wrote: »
    I've never gotten the impression that he doesn't care care or or isn't interested in helping people, but I also don't pay a lot of attention to to the 24hr news channels.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/obama-explained/8874/

    Specifically:
    Politics inside Washington also runs on countless small acts of flattery and social-favor exchange: Who gets tickets for the White House box at the Kennedy Center? Who will get a signed picture with the president to display on the office’s “brag wall”?
    this leads to complaints by Democratic representatives and senators about having to ask for the small strokes to their vanity that matter so much, and that politicians as different as Bill Clinton or either of the George Bushes would administer instinctively.

    It's not that he doesn't care, it's that politics demands giving out greasy blowbos to everyone you come across to make the dipshits feel special.

    Maybe I'm confused about about the source of the the criticism, are the people people saying he's aloof average average voters or the media?

    EDIT: Oh wow my phone fucked that quote tree; fixed now.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
    And there's a case to be made, I think rightly (and it would seem so would the president) that the first two years of his administration were wasted vis-a-vis the bully pulpit.

    But there's also the problem that everyone in the world seems to want the first black president to fail at something major.

    I recall after November '08 there was a debate of some sort between right-wing pundits about whether they should hope Obama manages to fix the country, or hope he fails completely

    I guess the latter side won



    The Modern GOP: Party Before Country.

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  • shrykeshryke Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    emp123 wrote: »
    I've never gotten the impression that he doesn't care care or or isn't interested in helping people, but I also don't pay a lot of attention to to the 24hr news channels.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/obama-explained/8874/

    Specifically:
    Politics inside Washington also runs on countless small acts of flattery and social-favor exchange: Who gets tickets for the White House box at the Kennedy Center? Who will get a signed picture with the president to display on the office’s “brag wall”?
    this leads to complaints by Democratic representatives and senators about having to ask for the small strokes to their vanity that matter so much, and that politicians as different as Bill Clinton or either of the George Bushes would administer instinctively.

    It's not that he doesn't care, it's that politics demands giving out greasy blowbos to everyone you come across to make the dipshits feel special.

    Maybe I'm confused about about the source of the the criticism, are the people people saying he's aloof average average voters or the media?

    It's the people working in federal government.

    Yeah, that's not the point he's making, I don't think. He's saying he hasn't used the bully pulpit well.

    In the Atlantic article? Yeah, that's one of the points that was made. Obama doesn't gladhand enough.

    Not what Obama was talking about there, but the charges of being "aloof and distant" come from the people who deal with him personally.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Vanity Fair profile of the President. It's long and really interesting. Framed around how Obama makes decisions, with the Libya decision being highlighted.

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Their ideas are old and their ideas are bad. Risk is our business.Registered User regular
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    The people have spoken, and they want Four More Years of Obama/Biden fun!

    <EC totals to be updated once Florida gets its head out of its ass>

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