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[PA Comic] Friday, March 16, 2012 - The Delicious Invasion

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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Here's a brief rundown of the issues most people are having with the ending. Yeah, one of his complaints is that it should have had one of the possible choices be a happy (or happier) ending, and I disagree with that. But that doesn't negate the other things he mentions, which are valid. This is what a majority of people upset about the ending are complaining about; it's not that every single person has a different idea about what is wrong. Those that think there is something wrong tend to agree with most of these points.

    Spoilers for the ending
    Spoiler:

    I've gotta say, that video shows the problems with the ending in a very stark and compelling way. I actually find it amazing that:
    Spoiler:

    "If anyone tried to steal your WAX LIPS, you would eat their eyeballs and deliver an angry lecture into their empty sockets." Hearts Boxcars, The Midnight Crew
  • ThejakemanThejakeman Registered User
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending

    Someone just made a false advertising complaint with the FTC over this game. I don't care what your personal feelings are on this anymore, can we just agree that the vitriol has gone totally out of hand?

    I want to drop this quote from Alsandair from kotaku, as Cambiata keeps bringing up the Child's Play campaign

    Here's the source
    Alsandair wrote:
    Again, there's absolutely nothing wrong with voicing your opinion on the ending. Or the horrible novel. I'm not a fan of either, and I think the ending was about as shoddy as KOTOR2s.

    There's also absolutely nothing wrong with giving money to sick and dying children. I've donated to Child's Play every year since it started. It's a great cause.

    The part that smacks of despicability is when you create a movement that espouses as a base ground ethic that you are displeased with the ending to the game, and show that displeasure by starting a charity drive. Not only start a charity drive with all proceeds given to charity at the end, but to start a drive and attach the largest video game charity out there to the cause, whether that charity believes in this cause or not.

    It's not a charity drive to somehow raise the money and give it to the devs so that they can self fund a new ending, solving the "problem". It's not a charity drive because people truly want to give to Child's Play out the goodness of their hearts. It's a charity drive to show that these people are "good people". These people are nice, honest individuals that shouldn't be downtrodden. Since they're good people, they should get something in return for being so good. All these good people want is an extension of work from Bioware. The kiddies are getting toys and comfort out of this, why can't you guys give a little bit too in the way of work? Are you so disconnected from our suffering as good people and the kiddies suffering that you can't put in a little time and fix this?

    As Dinosaur Tony said above, this is emotional blackmail. I'm sure that many of the people that donated through this "cause" aren't doing it specifically to blackmail BW into an addon ending, but that doesn't stop the cause from having its basis set in a morally despicable ideal.

  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I don't see it as emotional blackmail at all. To me, it's a simple and rather clever way to 1) bring attention to the cause here and 2) show that the people who are requesting the changes have money that they're willing to put up for it - that is to say, if Bioware makes a paid DLC ending expansion, then we have the money to pay for it and clearly don't mind doing so.

    Rich people use charities for PR all the time. I think it's pretty cool that the internet has given that same chance to regular people, too. Additionally, I like that people are using their frustration for something positive and helpful instead of something destructive.

    Cambiata on
    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending
    Spoiler:
    It's a incredibly shitty argument to making, as most people meant meaningful player choice. This post is pretty much a a spot on example of what pony was talking about earlier, where since you have a hard time defending the ending, you revert to attacking the people instead.
    Someone just made a false advertising complaint with the FTC over this game. I don't care what your personal feelings are on this anymore, can we just agree that the vitriol has gone totally out of hand?

    Some people are crazy, that doesn't somehow invalidate the well reasoned, calm comments 99.9% of people are making.


    edit: I personally view the Child's Play thing like a internet petition, except this one has a more visible way of showing peoples support for the idea.

    ronzo on
  • ThejakemanThejakeman Registered User
    ronzo wrote: »
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending
    Spoiler:
    It's a incredibly shitty argument to making, as most people meant meaningful player choice. This post is pretty much a a spot on example of what pony was talking about earlier, where since you have a hard time defending the ending, you revert to attacking the people instead.
    Someone just made a false advertising complaint with the FTC over this game. I don't care what your personal feelings are on this anymore, can we just agree that the vitriol has gone totally out of hand?

    Some people are crazy, that doesn't somehow invalidate the well reasoned, calm comments 99.9% of people are making.
    Spoiler:

  • The_TuninatorThe_Tuninator Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending

    This isn't 4chan, you can actually type your posts out.

    Please stop using ad hominem arguments and actually defend your position instead.

    The_Tuninator on
  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    ronzo wrote: »
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending
    Spoiler:
    It's a incredibly shitty argument to making, as most people meant meaningful player choice. This post is pretty much a a spot on example of what pony was talking about earlier, where since you have a hard time defending the ending, you revert to attacking the people instead.
    Someone just made a false advertising complaint with the FTC over this game. I don't care what your personal feelings are on this anymore, can we just agree that the vitriol has gone totally out of hand?

    Some people are crazy, that doesn't somehow invalidate the well reasoned, calm comments 99.9% of people are making.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    "If anyone tried to steal your WAX LIPS, you would eat their eyeballs and deliver an angry lecture into their empty sockets." Hearts Boxcars, The Midnight Crew
  • ThejakemanThejakeman Registered User
    edited March 2012
    That's not what you complained about. You complained about a lack of choice. Or rather that a series that was based on personal choice should have choice involved in the ending. Or hell, maybe you just threw that in there to sound good, as re-reading it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending

    This isn't 4chan, you can actually type your posts out.

    Please stop using ad hominem arguments and actually defend your position instead.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    But since it would be incredibly helpful to you to make the argument more clear

    Lo, FCD, thine hath complain'd of a dearth of choice in thine ending, but thine ending was in fact preceded by a choice thou made. Thy argument is negated!

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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    Spoiler:

    "If anyone tried to steal your WAX LIPS, you would eat their eyeballs and deliver an angry lecture into their empty sockets." Hearts Boxcars, The Midnight Crew
  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    Hey, Thejakeman, I guess you're not used to posting on message boards. FCD, The_Turninator, ronzo, and myself are actually four different people.

    Also, why so angry, bro?

    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • ThejakemanThejakeman Registered User
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hey, Thejakeman, I guess you're not used to posting on message boards. FCD, The_Turninator, ronzo, and myself are actually four different people.

    Also, why so angry, bro?

    I quoted one person I was responding to and replied immediately below the other person I was responding to. I translated the quoted segment of text for The_Turninator, when it was not actually directed at him because he did not make the original argument I was countering. I quoted ronzo when I was responding to ronzo. I didn't quote you because I was not responding to you.

    Is it really that hard to read?

    And why do you think I'm angry?

    FCD wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    Okay, that makes a little more sense. I direct you (again) to my post to ronzo.
    Spoiler:

  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hey, Thejakeman, I guess you're not used to posting on message boards. FCD, The_Turninator, ronzo, and myself are actually four different people.

    Also, why so angry, bro?

    I quoted one person I was responding to and replied immediately below the other person I was responding to. I translated the quoted segment of text for The_Turninator, when it was not actually directed at him because he did not make the original argument I was countering. I quoted ronzo when I was responding to ronzo. I didn't quote you because I was not responding to you.

    Is it really that hard to read?

    And why do you think I'm angry?

    Because of your passive aggressive reply to The_Tuninator, followed by randomly using FCD's name in your reply. Either you're really raging out or you're having trouble reading who said what. Or both.
    Spoiler:

    Actually, presentation does matter. Perhaps you've heard the expression: Show, don't tell. The singularness of the endings is the ultimate example of telling. "And then something really good happens!" is not an emotionally satisfying ending to a story.

    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hey, Thejakeman, I guess you're not used to posting on message boards. FCD, The_Turninator, ronzo, and myself are actually four different people.

    Also, why so angry, bro?

    I quoted one person I was responding to and replied immediately below the other person I was responding to. I translated the quoted segment of text for The_Turninator, when it was not actually directed at him because he did not make the original argument I was countering. I quoted ronzo when I was responding to ronzo. I didn't quote you because I was not responding to you.

    Is it really that hard to read?

    And why do you think I'm angry?

    FCD wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    Okay, that makes a little more sense. I direct you (again) to my post to ronzo.
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    "If anyone tried to steal your WAX LIPS, you would eat their eyeballs and deliver an angry lecture into their empty sockets." Hearts Boxcars, The Midnight Crew
  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    I have to say I find it pretty darn weird that one side of the discussion is so intent on demonizing the other side of the discussion, that they have tried to make giving to charity a wicked act.

    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • -Tal-Tal Damn right I like the life I live Cause I went from negative to positiveRegistered User regular
    pfft, "emotionally blackmailing" people by giving to charity is standard operating procedure

    watching Tube play the worst game of all time is extra incentive to give money to sick kids

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka What Would Nyarlathotep Do? Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    ronzo wrote: »
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending
    Spoiler:
    "color swaps" *twitch*
    Spoiler:

    So, please stop saying that it's just a color swap and nothing else. There is very clearly more going on than simply different colors

    Cambiata wrote: »
    I have to say I find it pretty darn weird that one side of the discussion is so intent on demonizing the other side of the discussion, that they have tried to make giving to charity a wicked act.
    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    The continued comments made about how only one side of the argument is only attacking the people the opposite side of the argument, is itself, an attack on the people on the other side of the argument. Both sides? Maybe stop trying to narrow down the other side's argument into an attack on the people opposing them? Can we please put away this useless tactic and get back to discussing the last moments of the game.

    Dedwrekka on
  • ThejakemanThejakeman Registered User
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hey, Thejakeman, I guess you're not used to posting on message boards. FCD, The_Turninator, ronzo, and myself are actually four different people.

    Also, why so angry, bro?

    I quoted one person I was responding to and replied immediately below the other person I was responding to. I translated the quoted segment of text for The_Turninator, when it was not actually directed at him because he did not make the original argument I was countering. I quoted ronzo when I was responding to ronzo. I didn't quote you because I was not responding to you.

    Is it really that hard to read?

    And why do you think I'm angry?

    Because of your passive aggressive reply to The_Tuninator, followed by randomly using FCD's name in your reply. Either you're really raging out or you're having trouble reading who said what. Or both.
    Spoiler:

    Actually, presentation does matter. Perhaps you've heard the expression: Show, don't tell. The singularness of the endings is the ultimate example of telling. "And then something really good happens!" is not an emotionally satisfying ending to a story.

    Reading comprehension lesson here:
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending

    ^ Quoted from a post in response to FCD

    This isn't 4chan, you can actually type your posts out.

    Please stop using ad hominem arguments and actually defend your position instead.
    Demand for me to make my argument clearer

    I made my argument clearer, which was an argument directed at FCD. If I had wildly changed the direction of my original argument to The_Tuninator, he would (rightly) say that he never made any claim that the ending lacked player choice, but it was instead FCD who made that claim.

    I can understand that this might be difficult for you to handle, as you seem intent on painting me as a "passive aggressive" and "Mad" individual, whose basic sense of decency is clearly nonexistent as I "[try] to make giving to charity a wicked act." You are clearly dealing with an unhinged individual here, so his ability to post on message boards must be equally unhinged.

    Back to the matter at hand

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show,_don't_tell

    I'd ask you not to use a literary rule of thumb as an attempt to defend your (actually FCD's) assertion that the presentation of Mass Effect's ending diminished the meaning of the ending, especially when you're using something as thoroughly subjective as "emotional satisfaction" as a yardstick, but then I'm a crazy ranting degenerate hell-bent on demonizing you, right?

  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    That video posted at the top of the page pretty much sums up all my thoughts about the endings. Most importantly:
    Spoiler:

    Spoiler:
  • Fixer40000Fixer40000 Registered User regular
    Blarg.

    Let's forgive that the ending battle wasn't anywhere near as good as the suicide mission run. You didn't have any choices for which armies/leaders could be used where and you didn't loose anything for the wrong people in the wrong place, or lacking a certain kind of military force. Let's also forgive that many of the tough decisions you made didn't come to much in the end. Saved the Collector base? +10 points!

    The end doesn't make sense from any logical point from when you get there, and the inertia of all the themes building up to that point was discarded.
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  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    @Thejakeman why... do you keep quoting Wikipedia? To prove you know what words mean? "And then something really good happens!" is still a terrible ending for any story.

    Cambiata on
    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • The_TuninatorThe_Tuninator Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    The part that smacks of despicability is when you create a movement that espouses as a base ground ethic that you are displeased with the ending to the game, and show that displeasure by starting a charity drive. Not only start a charity drive with all proceeds given to charity at the end, but to start a drive and attach the largest video game charity out there to the cause, whether that charity believes in this cause or not.

    You know what's despicable? Criticizing people who have given over sixty thousand dollars to charity for giving over sixty thousand dollars to charity. I find that rank and utterly reprehensible.

    How the hell else are they going to organize a charity drive, if not through Child's Play? What, is somebody just randomly going to start a charity drive online and everyone is just going to donate to their Paypal? There is literally no way to give money to a charity to indicate displeasure with ME3's ending without giving money to an established charity. But is it okay if it's just not "the biggest" charity out there, and they give to a smaller one? Get real.

    And, frankly, seeing as how Child's Play hasn't voiced any objection, claiming that they "may not support it" is utterly irrelevant.

    This whole argument is downright sickening. It's not "emotional blackmail", it's done so silly geese like the guy you quoted can't keep calling people disappointed by the ending "entitled gamers" without looking like the silly geese that they are.

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  • ChillyWillyChillyWilly Registered User regular
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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    That video posted at the top of the page pretty much sums up all my thoughts about the endings. Most importantly:
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:

    "If anyone tried to steal your WAX LIPS, you would eat their eyeballs and deliver an angry lecture into their empty sockets." Hearts Boxcars, The Midnight Crew
  • FalxFalx Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    ronzo wrote: »
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending
    Spoiler:
    "color swaps" *twitch*
    Actually you only have to go through the side by side comparisons again to see that it was not just a pallet swap. There are a lot of differences from the tiny to the big. There's also added and subtracted scenes.
    Here it is again for easy reference.

    Didn't you just say a while ago that video proves the relays weren't destroyed in the control endings? Because I wear glasses and can clearly see the giant pieces of relay flying off the thing when it fires the blue beam to the next relay. And you should watch the 10 reasons we hate the ending video. It sums up exactly why, despite the endings all being different (in some ways) they're all still pretty much bullshit.

  • SticksSticks Registered User regular
    I still think people are getting tangled up in the distinction between criticizing the ending and... quasi-protesting I guess. The charity drive thing has a bit of a passive aggressive bent to it, though I realize this is my perception and many others see any cause to give to charity as a good thing.

    I'm not debating that the end result is a positive for the charity, and the kids they help, but the message I'm getting is "I hate your ending. I'm going to give money to children to show you how much I hate it. Look at all this money I've given to the children, don't you feel shamed now? Are you going to do what I want or do I need to give more to the children." In other words, it's not so much about giving to charity as it is voicing your displeasure with the game in as public and showoff-y a way as possible.

    The FTC thing on the other hand is so over the top, I'm just assuming it's a troll.

  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular

    Yep, that's dumb alright.

    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe Registered User regular
    Fixer40000 wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    This is the part that confuses me.
    Spoiler:

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  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Fixer40000 wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    This is the part that confuses me.
    Spoiler:

    Isn't that precisely the problem? I, and by extension Commander Shepard, is never given the opportunity to protest what is being said. Never given the chance to renegade interrupt that fucker. And that's pretty terrible. You see what people mean by saying that presentation is the issue?

    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • Fixer40000Fixer40000 Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Cambiata wrote: »

    Isn't that precisely the problem? I, and by extension Commander Shepard, is never given the opportunity to protest what is being said. Never given the chance to renegade interrupt that fucker. And that's pretty terrible. You see what people mean by saying that presentation is the issue?

    Exactly. It's why the ending is so out of place because you are able to call people out on that stuff throughout the rest of the game.
    Spoiler:

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Fixer40000 wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    This is the part that confuses me.
    Spoiler:

    Isn't that precisely the problem? I, and by extension Commander Shepard, is never given the opportunity to protest what is being said. Never given the chance to renegade interrupt that fucker. And that's pretty terrible. You see what people mean by saying that presentation is the issue?

    If you had gotten the opportunity to do that, but the other side wasn't persuaded (as they probably wouldn't be) and you were still left with the same options for dealing with the problem as before, would that have made the ending better, in your opinion?

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  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Fixer40000 wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    This is the part that confuses me.
    Spoiler:

    Isn't that precisely the problem? I, and by extension Commander Shepard, is never given the opportunity to protest what is being said. Never given the chance to renegade interrupt that fucker. And that's pretty terrible. You see what people mean by saying that presentation is the issue?

    If you had gotten the opportunity to do that, but the other side wasn't persuaded (as they probably wouldn't be) and you were still left with the same options for dealing with the problem as before, would that have made the ending better, in your opinion?

    Yes, actually.

    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka What Would Nyarlathotep Do? Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    @Cambiata and @Thejakeman can we cut the vitriol and personal remarks against one another. I'd hate for this to devolve into a flame war.
    Falx wrote: »
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    ronzo wrote: »
    Thejakeman wrote: »
    >complains about lack of player choice
    >player chose ending
    Spoiler:
    "color swaps" *twitch*
    Spoiler:
    Spoiler:
    Spoilered it to be nice to the guys who haven't played the game.
    Spoiler:

    Dedwrekka on
  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    That one bit is basically the one truly objective flaw in the ending.
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  • LolkenLolken Registered User, __BANNED USERS, Dumbasses
    Karl wrote: »
    That video posted at the top of the page pretty much sums up all my thoughts about the endings. Most importantly:
    Spoiler:

    Even if it doesn't, as it stands this really fucks up the franchise.

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  • The Good Doctor TranThe Good Doctor Tran Registered User regular
    Lolken wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    That video posted at the top of the page pretty much sums up all my thoughts about the endings. Most importantly:
    Spoiler:

    Even if it doesn't, as it stands this really fucks up the franchise.

    Admittedly I'm no fan of the ending, and I'm one of the few people I know who would immediately sign up for a new ending DLC and pay cash money day 1, but really? The entire franchise? You can't, like...ignore the part you hate? ME3 is a completely fantastic game for literally 99.8% of the experience. If we add in playtimes, even excluding repeat runs, for the first two games, that's an amazing achievement. Don't write off the incredible work a lot of people have done because two guys got together in a room and made some bad decisions.

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    Regarding the comic:

    I find the idea of Krogan baking a cake to be fucking hilarious

  • minormiracleminormiracle Registered User
    You know how Deep Space 9 spent its last season portraying this vast and bloody conflict where people fought, died, suffered, triumphed, struggled, came together, stood for what's right, took shortcuts that haunted them, and generally went through one hell of an ordeal? Do you remember how at the end, when all the combined fleets of the Alpha Quadrant and all the characters whose stories you'd been following were making the last big push against the Dominion homeworld on the other side of the wormhole, Sisko met with the wormhole aliens, who then told him they had created the Founders to rule over non-shapeshifters because they didn't want shapshifters from dominating non-shapeshifters? Do you remember the joy you felt when they told Sisko he had to sacrifice himself, destroy the wormhole, and strand the fleet on the other side of the galaxy in exchange for making the Founders leave, killing the Founders, or making everyone part shapeshifter? Wasn't that totally awesome how they resolved that story line?

    Personally I don't know what all the angry trekkies were complaining about. Something about having Kira and Odo live happily ever after, orhow the Dominion should have ended up the bestest of friends with the Federation after the war, or some crazy thing like that. Don't they realize Star Trek is a hard science fiction show that deserved a proper hard science fiction ending?

  • CambiataCambiata Social Justice Vanguard of Your Destruction Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Heh, once again in one of these threads, I can't tell which side is being parodied.

    I actually liked the ending of Deep Space Nine. But then, the Prophets had been part of the series from the very beginning. They shaped the entire series, and shaped who Sisko was. They weren't introduced in the last five minutes of the franchise. If they had been, then I'd have probably hated that ending, too!

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    Dude, what? The only "character plot" in ME2 that would involve fucking a lizard is A) entirely optional, and B) entirely about fucking a lizard. If you don't want to do that plot, do a different one and just be the lizard's friend instead.

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  • minormiracleminormiracle Registered User
    Narrator: You've done it Bella. You've turned all the vampires into Peace Corps volunteers!
    Edward: We built you a castle made out of diamonds!
    Jacob: And you were voted prom queen! The werewolves sewed you a-

    Damn it I can't do it. The ending to Twilight was just too damn beautiful. I can't even make fun of it to prove a point.

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