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[Dota 2] Nyx Assassin, Keeper of the Light, and Visage this week, and straight to CM.

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  • centraldogmacentraldogma Registered User regular
    From the test client notes:
    - While there are any disconnected humans on the opposing team, bots will now select the most appropriate corresponding hero or heroes on their team to go back to the fountain to try to keep teams somewhat balanced.

    Does this mean when that one guy who always leaves the Co-op leaves, it won't be 4v5 anymore. That would make me pretty happy.

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  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    Even with the easy heroes you're going to need an understanding of the game that will allow you to make good decisions. That's what 80% of this game is, decision making. In terms of hero difficulty, there's a handful of heroes with skill-based abilities, and that's something that just takes practice. You're not going to get better at pudge's hook shot without actually practicing with it, it doesn't matter how much game knowledge you acquire.

    But nothing in this game is on par with the control complexity of an RTS.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Brewmaster is so ugly and awful looking. Not as bad as Krob, but godamnit.

    They'd better fix carrion swarm.

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  • PeewiPeewi Enchanted, I'm sure Registered User regular
    From the test client notes:
    - While there are any disconnected humans on the opposing team, bots will now select the most appropriate corresponding hero or heroes on their team to go back to the fountain to try to keep teams somewhat balanced.

    Does this mean when that one guy who always leaves the Co-op leaves, it won't be 4v5 anymore. That would make me pretty happy.

    That's exactly what it means. I watched a game in the test client where two players had left and two of the bots on the other team were just sitting in the fountain doing nothing.

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  • l_gl_g Registered User regular
    I'm trying to figure out a good way to jungle with Lycan. My current approach is to level Q/E, starting items QB, healing pots, and branches. Is the best order to do weak camp, then pull medium camp into short lane, then hit weak camp again? If all the camps after the second weak camp are tough ones like ursa/centaur, what should I do?

    Also, how effective is it to rush RoB and Necrobook? Between W, E, R, RoB (and later Vlad's), it feels like Lycan can seriously buff his minions into a powerful chasing/pushing force... I'm seriously thinking that I should get a Sange (later built into Halberd) to make it easier for my minions to keep hitting my target.

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  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    I get morbid mask after RoB and that allows me to do any camp. But if you want to do the hard camps at a relatively weak stage, avoid the Ursa camp. Cantaur is a bit easier.

  • Dac VinDac Vin SPECIAL DELIVERY Registered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Really, I think it would be more useful to compile a list of "don't play these until you understand the game better", and then just tell people to pick what they think is cool from what's left. People will always have more fun playing something they think is cool.

    If it can help: People should not play Chen, Bane or Sniper until they have more experience. Chen is obvious, but Bane and Sniper are way, WAY harder than they look like and are very positioning reliant to do well with. If you need more heroes to the list I can always add Invoker, Puck and Lina to the list, the latter mostly because arrrgh her animations

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  • SkabSkab Registered User regular
    No one should play Sniper, even if they know full well how to play.

    No one.

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  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    I like playing sniper in pubs because laning in a pub is a last hit competition, but I would never play him in an organized game.

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  • CreamstoutCreamstout Registered User regular
    Page- wrote: »
    Brewmaster is so ugly and awful looking. Not as bad as Krob, but godamnit.

    AHHH they butchered my Brewmaster. Brewmaster is by far my favorite hero and I don't think valve could of done anything that would of made me happy with the port. That being said, the voice work could of been a lot better, should be more like Storm Spirit's, not like a town drunk. The animations aren't as good as the DotA animations as well.

  • reVersereVerse The shadow's come to stay Registered User regular
    I'm interested in seeing how long it'll take before Blizzard sues Valve for copying their character designs, 'cause some of these guys are blatant as shit.

  • GumpyGumpy Beep BoopRegistered User regular
    'bout the same length of time it's taken Games Workshop to jump on Blizzard for their designs

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Really, I think it would be more useful to compile a list of "don't play these until you understand the game better", and then just tell people to pick what they think is cool from what's left. People will always have more fun playing something they think is cool.

    If it can help: People should not play Chen, Bane or Sniper until they have more experience. Chen is obvious, but Bane and Sniper are way, WAY harder than they look like and are very positioning reliant to do well with. If you need more heroes to the list I can always add Invoker, Puck and Lina to the list, the latter mostly because arrrgh her animations

    Interestingly, HoN's Sniper and Bane equivalents (along with Moon Queen, who is she in Dota?) were the first heroes I glommed on to, loved, and did well with when I was learning HoN. But you're right, incorrectly utilized Nightmares from Bane can ruin team fights, and underfarmed Snipers are damn near useless by mid-late game.

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  • GumpyGumpy Beep BoopRegistered User regular
    Bane is... Hard?

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    Hard? No, but I'd hardly consider him a face-roll hero. You have to know what to use and when to use it - in some ways even more so than a lot of other heroes.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Really, I think it would be more useful to compile a list of "don't play these until you understand the game better", and then just tell people to pick what they think is cool from what's left. People will always have more fun playing something they think is cool.

    If it can help: People should not play Chen, Bane or Sniper until they have more experience. Chen is obvious, but Bane and Sniper are way, WAY harder than they look like and are very positioning reliant to do well with. If you need more heroes to the list I can always add Invoker, Puck and Lina to the list, the latter mostly because arrrgh her animations

    Interestingly, HoN's Sniper and Bane equivalents (along with Moon Queen, who is she in Dota?) were the first heroes I glommed on to, loved, and did well with when I was learning HoN. But you're right, incorrectly utilized Nightmares from Bane can ruin team fights, and underfarmed Snipers are damn near useless by mid-late game.

    moon queen = luna in dota

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  • 3clipse3clipse Registered User regular
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Really, I think it would be more useful to compile a list of "don't play these until you understand the game better", and then just tell people to pick what they think is cool from what's left. People will always have more fun playing something they think is cool.

    If it can help: People should not play Chen, Bane or Sniper until they have more experience. Chen is obvious, but Bane and Sniper are way, WAY harder than they look like and are very positioning reliant to do well with. If you need more heroes to the list I can always add Invoker, Puck and Lina to the list, the latter mostly because arrrgh her animations

    Interestingly, HoN's Sniper and Bane equivalents (along with Moon Queen, who is she in Dota?) were the first heroes I glommed on to, loved, and did well with when I was learning HoN. But you're right, incorrectly utilized Nightmares from Bane can ruin team fights, and underfarmed Snipers are damn near useless by mid-late game.

    moon queen = luna in dota

    This, but instead of the % damage aura (which was actually Drow Ranger's aura on Moon Queen) she has a + bonus damage aura that also increases her night vision.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    Hard? No, but I'd hardly consider him a face-roll hero. You have to know what to use and when to use it - in some ways even more so than a lot of other heroes.

    He's easy to lane with, beyond his ruthless early game mana costs. But you need to leverage his early game ganking/cc strength before the team phase hits and he becomes worthless. Something new players aren't going to be very good at.

    But I tend to see Sniper as a pretty good noob hero to play. Easy as hell to last hit and deny with. Only 1 active skill, that's a nice AOE damage ability, and a pushbutton ult like Zues.

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  • P10P10 Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    Really, I think it would be more useful to compile a list of "don't play these until you understand the game better", and then just tell people to pick what they think is cool from what's left. People will always have more fun playing something they think is cool.

    If it can help: People should not play Chen, Bane or Sniper until they have more experience. Chen is obvious, but Bane and Sniper are way, WAY harder than they look like and are very positioning reliant to do well with. If you need more heroes to the list I can always add Invoker, Puck and Lina to the list, the latter mostly because arrrgh her animations

    Interestingly, HoN's Sniper and Bane equivalents (along with Moon Queen, who is she in Dota?) were the first heroes I glommed on to, loved, and did well with when I was learning HoN. But you're right, incorrectly utilized Nightmares from Bane can ruin team fights, and underfarmed Snipers are damn near useless by mid-late game.

    moon queen = luna in dota

    This, but instead of the % damage aura (which was actually Drow Ranger's aura on Moon Queen) she has a + bonus damage aura that also increases her night vision.
    luna's lunar blessing used to be very similar to drow ranger's aura (i.e: both of them were trueshot aura from wc3 ladder) before it was reworked in 6.67

    when luna was ported into HoN she still had the %base damage increase aura

  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    Randoming some heroes is just plain fucking awesome. Being able to start off with stout, quelling, and extra tango on spectre in my last game just made me giggle like a school girl for the first five minutes.

  • SkabSkab Registered User regular
    You know, I honestly don't dislike the look of any of the heroes in Dota 2 except maybe Viper.

    I don't really see anything wrong with the way Krob looks, for example. Whats so bad about her? Or Brewmaster? Just that he isn't an actual panda now?

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  • drunkenpandarendrunkenpandaren Slapping all the goblin ham In the top laneRegistered User regular
    I like Brewmaster. He gets drunk and punches stuff. But that was pretty much all my expectations for him.

    Played a few bot games on him on the test. It's like I never left him. But I need to work on swapping through pandas.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    Skab wrote: »
    You know, I honestly don't dislike the look of any of the heroes in Dota 2 except maybe Viper.

    I don't really see anything wrong with the way Krob looks, for example. Whats so bad about her? Or Brewmaster? Just that he isn't an actual panda now?

    There are elements of Nevermore that I don't care for, and I think Enchantress' torso looks a bit too big for her lower body, but I otherwise agree. I think Krob looks great - I love her long, freaky looking arms. And I was as giddy as a little kid when I saw the final model for Brewmaster. He looks so neat!

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  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    Krob looks alright, but her spell effects are awful. And I'm not big on her voice. Fix the spell effects and I'd be happy enough.

    Brewmaster looks like a half drowned rat with a big stick. His animations aren't even as cool as the ones in wc3, including the split.

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  • PeewiPeewi Enchanted, I'm sure Registered User regular
    WC3 Dota uses the regular Brewmaster split animation where they sort of roll out of him, right? I like the Dota 2 one better.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    I've finally realized just how limited my brain really is. I watched SYDTKO stream Tinker last night... I. Had. No. Idea. It never even occurred to me to use his ult with Boots of Travel like that. Even after seeing them in the recommended items list. :(

    Mind = blown.

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  • TheKoolEagleTheKoolEagle Registered User regular
    thats half the reason you play tinker, you zip around the map like no ones business

    he can literally push all 3 lanes by himself by warping up, doing march, ulting, and warping to the next lane

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  • 3clipse3clipse Registered User regular
    Tinker with BTs is super mega fun time. Port to lane - double march of the machines, repeat ad infinitum, push all the lanes forever and then port around for ganks/infinity sheepstick.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    The Pudge on his team said, "Well, there goes our farm. We have a Tinker." :D

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  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    I just had my mind blown too by some guy playing lion. I was laning against him as Skeleton King and he would do earth spike then mana drain repeatedly. It completely shut me down for the first 15 mins of the game, it was amazingly frustrating.

    ...aaaand then I got BKB and armlet and started two-shotting all their support in team fights. Yay Skeleton King!

  • DroolDrool Registered User regular
    It actually can really screw your team if you have a Tinker who constantly pushes and never lets anyone farm. It's the same reason Aganihm's is a bad item on Prophet. Having constantly pushed out lanes is an awful thing if you have a hard carry on your team.

  • Dac VinDac Vin SPECIAL DELIVERY Registered User regular
    Hoz wrote: »
    I just had my mind blown too by some guy playing lion. I was laning against him as Skeleton King and he would do earth spike then mana drain repeatedly. It completely shut me down for the first 15 mins of the game, it was amazingly frustrating.

    ...aaaand then I got BKB and armlet and started two-shotting all their support in team fights. Yay Skeleton King!

    As I told you in the chat, Lion is a hero the CAPS LOCK LEORIC guide specifically warn you not to face (he's a homosexual mana vampire).
    I've finally realized just how limited my brain really is. I watched SYDTKO stream Tinker last night... I. Had. No. Idea. It never even occurred to me to use his ult with Boots of Travel like that. Even after seeing them in the recommended items list. :(

    Mind = blown.

    I am going to blow your mind even further:

    Tinker ultimate + Scythe of Vyse. Some items don't work with his ult (BKB and refresher orb among them) but this one does, and it's glorious.

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  • Undead MonkeyUndead Monkey Registered User regular
    Oh man, that is awesome. And it's already such a great item on him because of the int and mana regen. *drool*

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  • AresProphetAresProphet giggle and the flames grow higher Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Tinker with BTs is super mega fun time. Port to lane - double march of the machines, repeat ad infinitum, push all the lanes forever and then port around for ganks/infinity sheepstick.

    I don't know what the Dota2 equivalent is, but adding Manta Style to Tinker with BoTs makes your pushing power even crazier. And in those rare occasions where you port in only to find that another hero is there you just split and rape their mana before porting out, rendering them useless. You don't even have to kill them, which Tinker can't really do 1v1 against anyone with over 2000 hp.

    Manta + BoTs + Scythe + Shiva's Tinker = push all lanes. If you're clever with it you can keep pressure on 2 lanes as well as help out the team if your enemy goes for a 5-push, which means that if they keep pushing up 1 lane they will lose 2 rax in exchange.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    Dac Vin wrote: »
    Hoz wrote: »
    I just had my mind blown too by some guy playing lion. I was laning against him as Skeleton King and he would do earth spike then mana drain repeatedly. It completely shut me down for the first 15 mins of the game, it was amazingly frustrating.

    ...aaaand then I got BKB and armlet and started two-shotting all their support in team fights. Yay Skeleton King!

    As I told you in the chat, Lion is a hero the CAPS LOCK LEORIC guide specifically warn you not to face (he's a homosexual mana vampire).
    I've finally realized just how limited my brain really is. I watched SYDTKO stream Tinker last night... I. Had. No. Idea. It never even occurred to me to use his ult with Boots of Travel like that. Even after seeing them in the recommended items list. :(

    Mind = blown.

    I am going to blow your mind even further:

    Tinker ultimate + Scythe of Vyse. Some items don't work with his ult (BKB and refresher orb among them) but this one does, and it's glorious.

    Lion wilts like a wet paper bag if you can get to him. It's just that getting to him can be so damn difficult.

  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    Patch up.

  • JakorianJakorian Registered User regular
    Is it worth getting a mkb just to counter Brewmasters debuff and passive when playing dps heroes?

  • DroolDrool Registered User regular
    Probably, it's also a really good damage item.

  • HozHoz Registered User regular
    I can't imagine a better reason to get MKB than when facing brewmaster.

  • Page-Page- Registered User regular
    In any fight of significance Brewmaster will split. The goal is to kill him before he splits. Fighting regular Brewmaster after level 6 isn't that big of a deal.

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