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Forming a More Perfect Union

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    My favorite deacon bit would be whenever gay marriage came up he'd take the slippery slope argument down the same road every time.

    First saying that if that's ok then why isn't marrying animals ok. To which people would argue that animals couldn't give consent

    then he'd go on about how animals don't give consent to be slaughtered either, and he'd get people arguing the morality eating meat instead of anything to do with marriage

  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    My favorite deacon bit would be whenever gay marriage came up he'd take the slippery slope argument down the same road every time.

    First saying that if that's ok then why isn't marrying animals ok. To which people would argue that animals couldn't give consent

    then he'd go on about how animals don't give consent to be slaughtered either, and he'd get people arguing the morality eating meat instead of anything to do with marriage

    like a master artist, bringing life to a canvas.

    only his medium was butt-hurt.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    sometimes i wonder why these forums never attract any hardcore, real conservatives

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  • LTMLTM Registered User regular
    Fandyien wrote: »
    i wish we still had randall_flagg for these threads sometimes

    just so we had someone seriously reprehensible in here

    i mean obviously pip and jasc are hitler but RF was the blurst

    All bans revoked for one day.

    Invites sent out to all the old crew.

    Just one day of shitcockery to end all shitcockery.

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Fandyien wrote: »
    sometimes i wonder why these forums never attract any hardcore, real conservatives

    i can make another account and jump to the other end of the spectrum

    i do it to buttlady all the time

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  • PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    Fandyien wrote: »
    sometimes i wonder why these forums never attract any hardcore, real conservatives

    Liberals are worse.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    i can't even pretend, satirically, to be a right-wing person because i just find myself genuinely baffled when i try to get into that particular understanding of the world

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

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  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Ahh, Wiggin. Embedded forever in the blogosphere.

    http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/02/15-week/
    Moderation is not heavy-handed, but enforcement still exists. Justice is swift and impersonal. One moderator wrote in the sparse jails and bannings thread, “Wiggin gets a couple of weeks off for continuing to ignore the New Comic Thread rules.”

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Fandyien wrote: »
    i can't even pretend, satirically, to be a right-wing person because i just find myself genuinely baffled when i try to get into that particular understanding of the world

    it helps to view it almost as a character

    take what you believe, and then say the opposite

    don't worry about if what you're saying is consistent with other things you're saying, you can bullshit that later

    i have literally done this for multiple days on end to buttlady

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    i hope your girlfriend has trolled you back with equal effectivness because that is ice cold dogg

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    no she just ignores me

    really i'm just aping the inimitable toblerone triangular

    the greatest troll in the history of SA

    for those of you not familiar with this glorious piece of history, TT was a ron paul supporter. and i don't mean just "ron paul legalize weed woo" i mean full on crazy-ass conspiracy-theorist ron paul lover

    went for months saying the absolute craziest fucking shit

    you'd start with something reasonable and suddenly the thread is arguing with TT about "purestrain gold" and killing wolf blitzer on live television

    at some point he came out and said "yeah i was just fucking with you all" and nobody was mad because it was the most brilliant troll in history

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  • TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

    ...and there was absolutely no one of color on these boards to call him out on it?

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    That I can mostly agree with Jasconius.

    I think the tax rate on the richest individual brackets is way too low (lowest since 1925), but corporate taxes are another clusterfuck that needs dealt with.

    In 1925 there were so many deductions available the richest individuals weren't even paying taxes in the end. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop spitting out talking points and actually spend some time researching taxation and it's history.

    List of tax rates by year.

    It was meant to be nothing more than a reference point, not a value judgement.

    It was a pointless reference as you are comparing rates of two entirely different systems of taxation. The 70-ish% rates of the past were all part of a system that was even more convoluted and considerably less progressive than it is now. That's why it has undergone periods of reform over the last 90 years. Believe it or not we have evolved from 1925. As much as the tax system sucks in this country it used to be far worse.

    Where I can read more about this? The stuff I've found so far is rather basic and doesn't get past "X% in year Y and went to Z% in year B"

    Not even being snarky (sorry about that), I'd like to learn more.

    Ignore Cato's spin and just focus on the numbers: http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0302-13.pdf

    Unfortunately my best source of knowledge on this is from a book called The Mellon and Kennedy Tax Cuts: A Review and Analysis.

    The important thing is understanding that though rates decreased during the reforms of the 20s and 60s the tax burden on the rich didn't because raising taxes to ridiculous levels fosters tax avoidance. With the reforms came eliminations of certain deductions creating a system that was much more sensible.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Langly wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

    i think you're making a totally legit point using awful terminology

    people aren't afraid to do that specifically because of 'white guilt'

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    here this is a relevant quote from God's Own Troll that i like to keep in mind whenever i do my crazy bit
    The best way I found was to take a bunch of unfounded statements like "gold is money" or "America is doomed if Ron Paul doesn't win" or "Ron Paul hat immer recht" and to treat them as if they're logically consistent with each other and unfalsifiably true. Then all you have to do is interpret events in the world in a way that attempts to brings them into line with those assumptions. The original statements don't have to be that extreme but you don't have to do this long before you're having to come up with more and more twisted and paranoid logic to explain why your premises are correct and what's actually taking place in reality is wrong.

    To give one example: if it's assumed that the media is biased against Ron Paul and that this bias exists because the NWO overlords who are behind the media fear him so much then as the stories about him get worse and worse that actually means his chances are getting better and better. Since the MSM's role isn't to inform but rather to condition its audience then the stories that run in it aren't about what's true or false but are a reflection of the will of its unseen political masters. Any positive stories about Ron Paul that get run can be dismissed as token and just window dressing to maintain the illusion of impartiality. At the same time anything negative the media says about Ron Paul must automatically be false because of the interest it has in him being defeated. It means that when something like Dr. Paul's line in demented, paranoid newsletters comes to light what's actually happening is he's being subjected to more and more extreme propaganda attacks. And since it wouldn't make sense to be attacking him like this if his chances were declining or staying the same then it must be because "they" know he's on the verge of making that final electoral breakthrough and they're doing everything they can to stop him. And the more elaborate and detailed and comprehensive the evidence against Ron Paul is the more that shows how well he's doing: he's so dangerous to the international finance cabal behind the media that they'd run the risk of forging literally thousands of documents just to try to stop him.

    You only have to start by saying traditional polling methods consistently undercount Ron Paul's voters because they don't have landlines to ultimately end up advocating that Wolf Blitzer should have his throat cut on live TV ~pour encourager les autres~. The fun is getting from one to the other and bringing the reader with you.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Fandyien wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

    i think you're making a totally legit point using awful terminology

    people aren't afraid to do that specifically because of 'white guilt'

    i don't understand how guilt over your own white privilege would make you unafraid to tell a black person they are being racist.

    the whole point is that you acknowledge your privilege and feel shamed by it, so you allow people of minority ethnic background to say/do things you would otherwise object to because you feel guilty about your status.

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

    ...and there was absolutely no one of color on these boards to call him out on it?

    these boards

    man they're pretty white

  • SticksSticks Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

    ...and there was absolutely no one of color on these boards to call him out on it?

    These boards are all white baby.

    Or blue, if you're using the ol' stylish script.

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    or are you saying "white guilt is not a major factor in why people are afraid to do this thing"?

    because that sentence reads "white guilt actually makes people less afraid to do this"

  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal Flo-ridaRegistered User regular
    deacon sounds like my kind of guy

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  • AntimatterAntimatter if you want to talk to me look elsewhere.Registered User regular
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

  • BrogeyBrogey High Maintenance Santa Monica, CASuper Moderator, Moderator mod
    Maximum wrote: »
    Ahh, Wiggin. Embedded forever in the blogosphere.

    http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2009/02/15-week/
    Moderation is not heavy-handed, but enforcement still exists. Justice is swift and impersonal. One moderator wrote in the sparse jails and bannings thread, “Wiggin gets a couple of weeks off for continuing to ignore the New Comic Thread rules.”
    Whoa! That article was written 3 years ago...

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    damn that's white

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

    i think you're making a totally legit point using awful terminology

    people aren't afraid to do that specifically because of 'white guilt'

    i don't understand how guilt over your own white privilege would make you unafraid to tell a black person they are being racist.

    the whole point is that you acknowledge your privilege and feel shamed by it, so you allow people of minority ethnic background to say/do things you would otherwise object to because you feel guilty about your status.

    nobody here is ashamed of being white or inherently having privilege

    in general, i suspect people are ashamed that we live in a society that doesn't do anything about it

    white guilt is a dumb term because, even when contextually this isn't what you mean, it makes a lot of people think of something retarded which is feeling bad just because you're white and that sounds simplistic and stupid

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  • AntimatterAntimatter if you want to talk to me look elsewhere.Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    damn that's white

    I mean

    I enjoy their music

    But I'm just saying

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    the protomen are lame

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  • LTMLTM Registered User regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    Which is a good thing to keep in mind when people start ranting about white privilege, juxtaposed against the 'fuck the rich' diatribe.

  • AntimatterAntimatter if you want to talk to me look elsewhere.Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    the protomen are lame

    Gimme your face

    They make loud, fun music and their shows are theatrical as fuck

    The audience participation owns too

  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    Which is a good thing to keep in mind when people start ranting about white privilege, juxtaposed against the 'fuck the rich' diatribe.

    wh-what

    recognizing white privilege and being angry at the distribution of wealth aren't mutually exclusive

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    Which is a good thing to keep in mind when people start ranting about white privilege, juxtaposed against the 'fuck the rich' diatribe.

    wh-what

    recognizing white privilege and being angry at the distribution of wealth aren't mutually exclusive

    you're the REAL racist!!

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  • AneurhythmiaAneurhythmia Registered User regular
    Hunter wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    evander wasn't the only one too

    pretty much everybody just immediately stopped criticizing him as racist when they thought he was black

    which is hilarious because they were all liberals and whoops suddenly scared cow

    Definitely. Evander stands out because he was target zero, but Deacon conned so many people. It truly was a masterstroke.

    To be fair, he was called out for it being a race baiting gambit on multiple occasions. He just likes to ignore those discussions when he talks about it.

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  • LTMLTM Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    Which is a good thing to keep in mind when people start ranting about white privilege, juxtaposed against the 'fuck the rich' diatribe.

    wh-what

    recognizing white privilege and being angry at the distribution of wealth aren't mutually exclusive

    You don't see the problem with a predominantly white message board bemoaning the inherent inequality of being born white, then going on to complain about how the rich own everything as being a tad disingenuous?

  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal Flo-ridaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    oops nm im stupid

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    Which is a good thing to keep in mind when people start ranting about white privilege, juxtaposed against the 'fuck the rich' diatribe.

    wh-what

    recognizing white privilege and being angry at the distribution of wealth aren't mutually exclusive

    You don't see the problem with a predominantly white message board bemoaning the inherent inequality of being born white, then going on to complain about how the rich own everything as being a tad disingenuous?

    what are you trying to say here

    that people who benefit from unequal systems shouldn't work to correct them

    or....what?

    i've never understood this sentiment even a little

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal Flo-ridaRegistered User regular
    we're getting into M.C. Escher levels of who is or is not feeling guilty/angry enough!

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  • ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    These forums are whiter than a protomen concert

    Which is a good thing to keep in mind when people start ranting about white privilege, juxtaposed against the 'fuck the rich' diatribe.

    wh-what

    recognizing white privilege and being angry at the distribution of wealth aren't mutually exclusive

    You don't see the problem with a predominantly white message board bemoaning the inherent inequality of being born white, then going on to complain about how the rich own everything as being a tad disingenuous?

    yeah you're going to need to elaborate on how a white dude can't a) recognize that there inherent benefits to being white while also b) thinking that the distribution of wealth in america is bullshit

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    That

    That is like the same argument.

    One is "racial privilege is a thing that exists, as part of that privileged group I need to be aware of that"

    And the other is "wealth distribution in the us is highly and disproportionately stratefied, owned mostly by a small percentage of that privileged class"

    That's the same line of thinking

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