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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

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    SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    vsove wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    By "We" you mean privileged white internet denizens, or who exactly?

    oh see now you're angling for WHITE GUILT THEY FEEL GUILTY ABOUT BEING WHITE

    i'm getting good at this game

    Being white is a tough cross to bear, I'll agree with you there.

    protip people talking about white privilege and making everyone equal aren't doing it because they feel guilty

    White privilege seems to be one of those things where either you're like 'hey that makes sense' or you argue 'NO FUCK YOU I DON'T NEED TO FEEL GUILTY BECAUSE OF WHAT SOME OTHER WHITE PEOPLE DID, IT'S NOT MY FAULT' thereby entirely missing the point.

    That was my first reaction upon encountering the concept. Implying that I had advantages = I cheated somehow = I should be sorry. Fuck you, I have nothing to be sorry about.

    Took a couple of years and some maturity before I realized how retarded that notion is.

    Sticks on
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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

    this is also not a thing that anybody is saying

    jesus man do you understand what privilege is or not

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

    this is also not a thing that anybody is saying

    jesus man do you understand what privilege is or not

    Explain to me, oh lord of Butt.

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
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    B_RB_R Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Can't you go back to talking about crazy republicans?

    B_R on
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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    I felt Guilty once but she woke up halfway through.

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

    this is also not a thing that anybody is saying

    jesus man do you understand what privilege is or not

    Explain to me, oh lord of Butt.

    look

    privilege is just the inherent advantages you get by being a member of the dominant group

    for example: white privilege means there are advantages to being white vs being a minority

    that doesn't mean you're consciously taking advantage of them, or that they exist because of a thing you or yours did, or that your life is flawless

    but the privilege still exists!

    nobody's saying you should feel guilty about it, in fact you shouldn't because it's not a thing you have control over

    just be aware of it and maybe work to make things equal for everyone

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    Stop confusing me with Wiggin.

    That is all.

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

    this is also not a thing that anybody is saying

    jesus man do you understand what privilege is or not

    Explain to me, oh lord of Butt.

    look

    privilege is just the inherent advantages you get by being a member of the dominant group

    for example: white privilege means there are advantages to being white vs being a minority

    that doesn't mean you're consciously taking advantage of them, or that they exist because of a thing you or yours did, or that your life is flawless

    but the privilege still exists!

    nobody's saying you should feel guilty about it, in fact you shouldn't because it's not a thing you have control over

    just be aware of it and maybe work to make things equal for everyone

    Now we're venturing into White Man's Burden territory.

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    vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    It also means that you understand where things like black history month come from and don't say things like 'well what about a WHITE history month, HUH?'

    Much of these lessons can be applied to concepts of gender discrimination as well.

    WATCH THIS SPACE.
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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    oh come the fuck on

    "let's make things equal" is not a goal that is exclusive to white people nor should it be

    you didn't read a single fucking word of that, you just wanted a nice little snippet you could pick at and go "heh. you're the real racists. checkmate!"

    fuck you

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    SticksSticks I'd rather be in bed.Registered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

    this is also not a thing that anybody is saying

    jesus man do you understand what privilege is or not

    Explain to me, oh lord of Butt.

    look

    privilege is just the inherent advantages you get by being a member of the dominant group

    for example: white privilege means there are advantages to being white vs being a minority

    that doesn't mean you're consciously taking advantage of them, or that they exist because of a thing you or yours did, or that your life is flawless

    but the privilege still exists!

    nobody's saying you should feel guilty about it, in fact you shouldn't because it's not a thing you have control over

    just be aware of it and maybe work to make things equal for everyone

    Now we're venturing into Functioning Member of Society's Burden territory.

    fixed that for ya

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    vsove wrote: »
    It also means that you understand where things like black history month come from and don't say things like 'well what about a WHITE history month, HUH?'

    Much of these lessons can be applied to concepts of gender discrimination as well.

    yep!

    pretty much name a protected class

    surprise you can apply that to privilege

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    oh come the fuck on

    "let's make things equal" is not a goal that is exclusive to white people nor should it be

    you didn't read a single fucking word of that, you just wanted a nice little snippet you could pick at and go "heh. you're the real racists. checkmate!"

    fuck you

    Which I agree with, except when we're in a conversation about White Privilege.

    Also, nowhere in there did I imply you were a racist. Just saying that the discussion was entering into that territory.

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    vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    oh come the fuck on

    "let's make things equal" is not a goal that is exclusive to white people nor should it be

    you didn't read a single fucking word of that, you just wanted a nice little snippet you could pick at and go "heh. you're the real racists. checkmate!"

    fuck you

    Working to dismantle the frameworks of privilege is the exact same thing as saying 'oh dear, those poor other groups, we really ought to lift them up to the same level as us white people', apparently.

    WATCH THIS SPACE.
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    Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    vsove wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    oh come the fuck on

    "let's make things equal" is not a goal that is exclusive to white people nor should it be

    you didn't read a single fucking word of that, you just wanted a nice little snippet you could pick at and go "heh. you're the real racists. checkmate!"

    fuck you

    Working to dismantle the frameworks of privilege is the exact same thing as saying 'oh dear, those poor other groups, we really ought to lift them up to the same level as us white people', apparently.

    i told you

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

    this is also not a thing that anybody is saying

    jesus man do you understand what privilege is or not

    Explain to me, oh lord of Butt.

    look

    privilege is just the inherent advantages you get by being a member of the dominant group

    for example: white privilege means there are advantages to being white vs being a minority

    that doesn't mean you're consciously taking advantage of them, or that they exist because of a thing you or yours did, or that your life is flawless

    but the privilege still exists!

    nobody's saying you should feel guilty about it, in fact you shouldn't because it's not a thing you have control over

    just be aware of it and maybe work to make things equal for everyone

    Now we're venturing into White Man's Burden territory.

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    oh come the fuck on

    "let's make things equal" is not a goal that is exclusive to white people nor should it be

    you didn't read a single fucking word of that, you just wanted a nice little snippet you could pick at and go "heh. you're the real racists. checkmate!"

    fuck you

    Which I agree with, except when we're in a conversation about White Privilege.

    Also, nowhere in there did I imply you were a racist. Just saying that the discussion was entering into that territory.

    except it wasn't at all you goose

    A) by calling "white man's burden" yes you implied that i'm racist

    b) working to make sure nobody is priveleged is not lifting up the disadvantaged solel because you feel bad

    you stupid goose

    Buttlord on
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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    vsove wrote: »
    Working to dismantle the frameworks of privilege is the exact same thing as saying 'oh dear, those poor other groups, we really ought to lift them up to the same level as us white people', apparently.
    Sticks wrote: »
    We want to bring everybody up the ladder, not pull the ones at the top down.

    So we're not lifting, then?

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    oh come the fuck on

    "let's make things equal" is not a goal that is exclusive to white people nor should it be

    you didn't read a single fucking word of that, you just wanted a nice little snippet you could pick at and go "heh. you're the real racists. checkmate!"

    fuck you

    Which I agree with, except when we're in a conversation about White Privilege.

    Also, nowhere in there did I imply you were a racist. Just saying that the discussion was entering into that territory.

    protip: "white" isn't the only word that can be put in front of Privilege. There are all sorts of other kinds of privilege. In fact, Buttlord's explanation was clearly on privilege in general, and only used white privilege as one example. But if you look hard enough for ways to imply someone is racist rather than pay attention to what they're actually saying, I guess you can find what you need.

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    LTM do you understand how privilege works

    let's ignore the "tear it apart make shit equal" bit for now

    because you're oging to pretend that's the real racism gotcha lieberal democraps

    do you understand how it works

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    PeccaviPeccavi Registered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    like this is just fuckin stupid

    explain to me how it's hypocritical to think that there are inherent advantages conferred upon a person by being born white and also to think that the distribution of wealth is fucked up

    You actually caught me. As an affluent straight white male, I honestly have nothing to really complain about.

    I just want to feel like I belong, somewhere.

    this is also not a thing that anybody is saying

    jesus man do you understand what privilege is or not

    Explain to me, oh lord of Butt.

    look

    privilege is just the inherent advantages you get by being a member of the dominant group

    for example: white privilege means there are advantages to being white vs being a minority

    that doesn't mean you're consciously taking advantage of them, or that they exist because of a thing you or yours did, or that your life is flawless

    but the privilege still exists!

    nobody's saying you should feel guilty about it, in fact you shouldn't because it's not a thing you have control over

    just be aware of it and maybe work to make things equal for everyone

    Now we're venturing into White Man's Burden territory.

    No, not at all.

    White man's burden: We're naturally superior, we need to take care of lesser humans

    Privilege: Society treats X people better than Y people, maybe I shouldn't perpetuate that.

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    also reminder that yeah privilege is not exclusive to race

    male privilege

    class privilege

    don't know what you'd call it for being straight other than "it sucks to be gay in most of america"

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    mensch-o-maticmensch-o-matic Registered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't get why they couldn't call Deacon out on being racist just because he claimed he was black?

    generally, liberal white people have a substantial amount of white guilt. they find it uncomfortable to point out racist remarks from someone who is not white because of this.

    ...and there was absolutely no one of color on these boards to call him out on it?

    i just started laughing really hard irl

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    Anyone wanna join me in chugging this bleach?

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    vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    LTM wrote: »
    vsove wrote: »
    Working to dismantle the frameworks of privilege is the exact same thing as saying 'oh dear, those poor other groups, we really ought to lift them up to the same level as us white people', apparently.
    Sticks wrote: »
    We want to bring everybody up the ladder, not pull the ones at the top down.

    So we're not lifting, then?

    This is called 'being a pedant', and I would argue 'not discussing in good faith'.

    Rather than attempting to use everyone's word use to critique their point, how about addressing something of substance? Such as, what's wrong with looking critically at how society enables privileged groups to succeed in ways that are not accessible to other groups, and attempting to fix that problem?

    Let's stop beating around the semantics bush and address the actual substance of the point.

    vsove on
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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    because you're oging to pretend that's the real racism gotcha lieberal democraps

    Its like you're always one step ahead.

    Except you forgot to capitalize LIEberal.

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    ButtlordButtlord Fornicus Lord of Bondage and PainRegistered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    because you're oging to pretend that's the real racism gotcha lieberal democraps

    Its like you're always one step ahead.

    Except you forgot to capitalize LIEberal.

    see you're doing that thing again where you just make snide comments and don't say anyting of substance

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    LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    vsove wrote: »
    Working to dismantle the frameworks of privilege is the exact same thing as saying 'oh dear, those poor other groups, we really ought to lift them up to the same level as us white people', apparently.
    Sticks wrote: »
    We want to bring everybody up the ladder, not pull the ones at the top down.

    So we're not lifting, then?

    "I'd love to help, but that'd make me racist, so have fun with those bootstraps!"

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    LTMLTM Bikes and BeardsRegistered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    because you're oging to pretend that's the real racism gotcha lieberal democraps

    Its like you're always one step ahead.

    Except you forgot to capitalize LIEberal.

    see you're doing that thing again where you just make snide comments and don't say anyting of substance

    Sorry, should I have italicized that, or included a picture of Free Republic?

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    FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    i'm not trying to make substantial attempts to communicate my views to you because that would be a waste of time

    don't lump my snideposts in with buttlords genuine ones

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    because you're oging to pretend that's the real racism gotcha lieberal democraps

    Its like you're always one step ahead.

    Except you forgot to capitalize LIEberal.

    see you're doing that thing again where you just make snide comments and don't say anyting of substance

    Sorry, should I have italicized that, or included a picture of Free Republic?

    You're doing that other thing where you pick and choose what to respond to, presumably to ignore statements you don't have a snide response for in favour of easy targets.

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    mensch-o-maticmensch-o-matic Registered User regular
    did you guys ever see someone you dont like a lot but they havent done anything awful in a long time so you start to feel petty but the they act a fool and everybody finally realizes how terrible they are, which you knew from the start, so youre just all 'yeah. YEAH' for a while anime

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    DepressperadoDepressperado I just wanted to see you laughing in the pizza rainRegistered User regular
    god will you guys just shut the fuck up

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    ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Mensch, I have something really important that I need to tell you.
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    mensch-o-maticmensch-o-matic Registered User regular
    ChicoBlue wrote: »
    Mensch, I have something really important that I need to tell you.
    kawaii_dog_by_misakiamour-d4uwefm.jpg

    oh god what will i tell my mother

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    did you guys ever see someone you dont like a lot but they havent done anything awful in a long time so you start to feel petty but the they act a fool and everybody finally realizes how terrible they are, which you knew from the start, so youre just all 'yeah. YEAH' for a while anime
    yeah

    yeah

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Buttlord wrote: »
    LTM wrote: »
    Buttlord wrote: »
    because you're oging to pretend that's the real racism gotcha lieberal democraps

    Its like you're always one step ahead.

    Except you forgot to capitalize LIEberal.

    see you're doing that thing again where you just make snide comments and don't say anyting of substance

    And you continue to pound your head against a wall for his amusement.

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    HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    I swear to God that the original "White Man's Burden" poem is meant to be sarcastic. It just reads that way. Sarcastic at whom, I'm not sure, but Kipling is raising his middle finger at somebody in that poem.

    I don't wanna kill anybody. I don't like bullies. I don't care where they're from.
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