Our new Indie Games subforum is now open for business in G&T. Go and check it out, you might land a code for a free game. If you're developing an indie game and want to post about it, follow these directions
. If you don't, he'll break your legs! Hahaha! Seriously though.
Our rules have been updated and given their own forum
. Go and look at them! They are nice, and there may be new ones that you didn't know about! Hooray for rules! Hooray for The System! Hooray for Conforming!
What pushes a novel past the frustration line for you?
So I've just finished the third book in Robin Hobb's Rain Wilds
trilogy, and I'm contemplating the depths of sadism which she has been known to delve. Gotta respect an author who is willing to maim and drown a main character in the first book of a series or bullrush headlong into societal discrimination without a backwards glance...
But that same amount of sheer abuse turns me off her works, despite her strong writing. I barely limped through Shaman's Crossing before thinking "Two more books of this? I wouldn't wish this heroic arc on my worst enemy!" Novels that put the main character through an absolute grinder turn me off worse than your standard Mary Sue fantasy.
Another good example for me is Greg Bear's Vitals
By the end of the book everything anyone did in that book was a waste of freaking time. Grats on being completely irrelevant! Sure wanted to spend a couple hours reading about something I experience in real life for free!
So what is the line for you guys that makes you put a book down just for plot? (For the sake of sanity, let us ignore books that are poorly written or otherwise subpar.) Character abuse? Sexual self-inserts (ala Quentin Tarantino's foot thing)? Any novel that uses "Fate" as an excuse for an actual plot?