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valiance

Grombar wrote: »

Dark Raven X wrote: »

Eurgh those Joffrey scenes. Never before have I wanted to slap the shit out of a fictional character so badly.

Who are the guys that

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captured Sansa? They working for Joffrey? I thought the Mountain was an enemy of the kingdom now, so why's he care who got the not-really-dead guy out of the city?

Spoiler:

To answer that in two parts:

The guys who captured Arya work for Tywin Lannister. The torturers are part of a mercenary outfit called the Brave Companions (aka the Bloody Mummers), if I remember the lore correctly.

The Mountain works for Tywin too, so when Ned declared the Mountain a public enemy, Tywin told him, "j/k, you can still work for me; just keep doing what I say."

did Ned declare the mountain an enemy in S1, I dont remember that

Deebaser

I didnt even notice there was a new mountain.
He was just a big silent dude in black last season.

Spawnbroker

valiance wrote: »

Grombar wrote: »

Dark Raven X wrote: »

Eurgh those Joffrey scenes. Never before have I wanted to slap the shit out of a fictional character so badly.

Who are the guys that

Spoiler:

captured Sansa? They working for Joffrey? I thought the Mountain was an enemy of the kingdom now, so why's he care who got the not-really-dead guy out of the city?

Spoiler:

To answer that in two parts:

The guys who captured Arya work for Tywin Lannister. The torturers are part of a mercenary outfit called the Brave Companions (aka the Bloody Mummers), if I remember the lore correctly.

The Mountain works for Tywin too, so when Ned declared the Mountain a public enemy, Tywin told him, "j/k, you can still work for me; just keep doing what I say."

did Ned declare the mountain an enemy in S1, I dont remember that

Sure did, he stood up and spouted dialogue about it and everything.

syndalis

Spawnbroker wrote: »

valiance wrote: »

Grombar wrote: »

Dark Raven X wrote: »

Eurgh those Joffrey scenes. Never before have I wanted to slap the shit out of a fictional character so badly.

Who are the guys that

Spoiler:

captured Sansa? They working for Joffrey? I thought the Mountain was an enemy of the kingdom now, so why's he care who got the not-really-dead guy out of the city?

Spoiler:

To answer that in two parts:

The guys who captured Arya work for Tywin Lannister. The torturers are part of a mercenary outfit called the Brave Companions (aka the Bloody Mummers), if I remember the lore correctly.

The Mountain works for Tywin too, so when Ned declared the Mountain a public enemy, Tywin told him, "j/k, you can still work for me; just keep doing what I say."

did Ned declare the mountain an enemy in S1, I dont remember that

Sure did, he stood up and spouted dialogue about it and everything.

It was after he was injured in the fight with Jaime, and was handling the King's business. Some peasant told Ned about his village being wrecked by Clegaine, and decided now was a good time to declare him an enemy of the state and KoS, much to the chagrin of the rest of the small council.

Apothe0sis

valiance wrote: »

Grombar wrote: »

Dark Raven X wrote: »

Eurgh those Joffrey scenes. Never before have I wanted to slap the shit out of a fictional character so badly.

Who are the guys that

Spoiler:

captured Sansa? They working for Joffrey? I thought the Mountain was an enemy of the kingdom now, so why's he care who got the not-really-dead guy out of the city?

Spoiler:

To answer that in two parts:

The guys who captured Arya work for Tywin Lannister. The torturers are part of a mercenary outfit called the Brave Companions (aka the Bloody Mummers), if I remember the lore correctly.

The Mountain works for Tywin too, so when Ned declared the Mountain a public enemy, Tywin told him, "j/k, you can still work for me; just keep doing what I say."

did Ned declare the mountain an enemy in S1, I dont remember that

He sent a Knight after him to capture him - Lord Berric Dondarrion. I think it's one of the first things we see Ned do as Hand, or one of the last (just after he duals with the Kingslayer).

It occurs in response to Catelyn capturing Tyrion.

ArbitraryDescriptor

Grombar: Those aren't the Bloody Mummers, those men are Ser Gregor's own little darlings.

manaleak34

Certainly the Joffrey scene was disturbing but I do think it served more than just showing that "Yes, he really is a jerk." It's pretty likely that Joff was aware of his father's general whoring. He's sending a message to Tyrion that he is not his father and can't be ordered around just because Tyrion sends him some nice gifts.

815165

also that he's a psychopath

Dracomicron

I loved Joff's crossbow, though. That thing was, like, the assault rifle of crossbows.

quantumcat42

Everyone is justly pissed about the new Mountain -- he's got a kickass voice, though. One of the least important parts about the character, sure. But hey... silver lining?

As for the rest...

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Tyrion, never stop being awesome.
LOVE Harrenhal -- especially in the credits sequence. Probably my favorite mini-location yet.
Roose Bolton is perfect. As are the Thirteen. One of them, in particular. Cannot say more, yet.
Tywin seeing through Arya's "disguise" at a glance was fantastic.
Of COURSE Stannis is a grammar-nazi. I laughed so hard.
Birth scene was fantastic.
"There's no cure for being a cunt."

valiance

Spawnbroker, Syndalis

I clearly need to rewatch S1, thanks

Deebaser

Stannis is pretty awesome. It's almost as if he wouldn't even really care about being king, but for the rules and it rightly being his claim.

Pellaeon

I think someone already mentioned it, but they really should have a spinoff with Tyrion and Bronn in some sort of Westeros buddy cop show. Those two are great together.

Tomanta

Pellaeon wrote: »

I think someone already mentioned it, but they really should have a spinoff with Tyrion and Bronn in some sort of Westeros buddy cop show. Those two are great together.

I would absolutely watch a show with Tyrion and Bronn wandering the countryside, bringing insightful snark to those who need it.

Deebaser

Best line of the last episode
"I'd say I didn't harm a hair on his head, but that wouldn't technically be true" (paraphrase)

KoopahTroopah

I laughed because the rats reminded me of 2 Fast 2 Furious.

...but a big what the fuck to that whole episode.

nexuscrawler

Anyone else notice Harrenhall was 'dead' in the credits as in there were no moving gears or anything

Yar

That was a threat. Notice the difference?

...

DivideByZero

Harrenhal was a damn fine set/location. It looked like the Pits of Isengard, minus orcs.

Decoy

Tomanta wrote: »

Pellaeon wrote: »

I think someone already mentioned it, but they really should have a spinoff with Tyrion and Bronn in some sort of Westeros buddy cop show. Those two are great together.

I would absolutely watch a show with Tyrion and Bronn wandering the countryside, bringing insightful snark to those who need it.

It's already been posted before, but it's still funny to watch the youtube buddy comedy re-imagining.

No actual spoilers, just a youtube clip I spoiled for size.

Spoiler:

PoultryGeist

Carpy

The Joffery scene

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I thought it worked well to show him realizing another part of himself. He started out punishing them to get back at tyrion, but found out he liked it and kept moving to the extreme. The look of pleasure on his face at the end of the scene.... Shudder.

Taramoor

Carpy wrote: »

The Joffery scene

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I thought it worked well to show him realizing another part of himself. He started out punishing them to get back at tyrion, but found out he liked it and kept moving to the extreme. The look of pleasure on his face at the end of the scene.... Shudder.

Jack Gleeson is a gifted actor.

I hope we get to see him cry in pain.

Professor Snugglesworth

Operative21 wrote: »

Demerdar wrote:

When Joffrey dies (boy I sure hope he dies) I think me and my friends who are watching with me are going to throw a massive party in celebration.

Seriously. I'd dare say, if they ever have some kind of award for the most despised/hated villain in fiction Joffrey would definitely be a forerunner in the rankings, if not the one who just wins the award outright. I gotta say, I actually feel really sorry for the actor playing him. The poor kid must feel terrible after a day of shooting that role.

Don't be. He got to hang with Batman, after all.

Anyway, this whores scene reaffirmed an old theory I had:

(Not a book spoiler, but just in case)

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Okay, well maybe a spoiler if you're morbidly curious if he ever has sex/rapes anyone....

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I always theorized that Joffrey was indifferent/uninterested in any sexual encounters. While some people interpret his violent action toward the whores as revenge toward Tyrion, I persist that this suggests that he can't get it up unless violence is involved.

As for the Bloody Mummers scene, there was one bit that I was really curious if it would show on TV. Turns out they skipped on it, as it was even worse than what they did show.

Spoiler:

In order to quiet a crying child, one of the sick fucks took his head off with a mace.

When the mother screamed in horror, they went and killed her too

Every time someone insists that this series has "no good or evil characters, just shades of gray", I look at Joffrey or one of the dozen of other characters and think:

"Uh, no...pretty sure these guys are really fucking evil."

Heisenberg

The "no good or evil" characters arguement is such bs. Most are shades of grey, but Joffrey is objectively evil. Jon, Tyrion, Ned, and Robb are good guys with some flaws between each of them, but they're still totally good guys.

syndalis

Joffrey is a product of his circumstance. I mean, he is the product of incest, a mother who convinces him he can do anything he wants, a "father" who hates his mother and spite-fucks whores while getting drunk and fat, and a world that pretty much guarantees that honorable people with power are going to die.

He does lots of evil things, and he is horribly corrupted... but all that corruption came from the influences that surround him.

I don't know how many characters will get that level of explanation, but almost nobody comes out of the womb twirling their waxed mustache, and this world has a way of breaking people's will to do good.

Carpy

You guys might want to move that conversation to the other thread considering your mentioning people and events that haven't been referenced on the show.

enlightenedbum

Heisenberg wrote: »

The "no good or evil" characters arguement is such bs. Most are shades of grey, but Joffrey and Ramsay are objectively evil. Jon, Tyrion, Ned, and Robb are good guys with some flaws between each of them, but they're still totally good guys.

Ned is a good guy whose results are awful. That's the entire point of Ned. What does that make him?

Professor Snugglesworth

syndalis wrote: »

Joffrey is a product of his circumstance. I mean, he is the product of incest, a mother who convinces him he can do anything he wants, a "father" who hates his mother and spite-fucks whores while getting drunk and fat, and a world that pretty much guarantees that honorable people with power are going to die.

He does lots of evil things, and he is horribly corrupted... but all that corruption came from the influences that surround him.

I don't know how many characters will get that level of explanation, but almost nobody comes out of the womb twirling their waxed mustache, and this world has a way of breaking people's will to do good.

I thought it might have been the whole incest thing too, except (again, not a spoiler, but...)

Spoiler:

Cersei's other two kids seem perfectly normal and not psychotic.

Well, so far anyway.

Also, Joffrey's evil actions date as far back as (this IS a real BOOK spoiler)

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when he cut open a cat's belly just so he could see the kittens inside.

He got a rightful smack across the face from Robert, but that apparently had no effect (or made him worse?)

Basically, simple answer was he had shitty parents.

But I mostly blame Cersei because holy shit Cersei is a bitch.

Deebaser

Are those book spoilers?

Carpy

Yes, some of them are.

enlightenedbum

Specifically, the second, though it's not major.

Jacoby

Something that hasn't been mentioned about this episode: Arya's kill list. Awesome. Loved the way she added on a few more names later. I feel like I might have missed a name though. What were the names she mentioned?

Jokerman

Take it to the book thread then!

enlightenedbum

Jacoby wrote: »

Something that hasn't been mentioned about this episode: Arya's kill list. Awesome. Loved the way she added on a few more names later. I feel like I might have missed a name though. What were the names she mentioned?

This is by memory, so not 100%: Cersei, Joffrey, The Mountain, Polliver (the interrogator), and I think Jaime was on the list.

EDIT: Ugh, I forgot Ser Ilyn Payne, the dude who actually chopped off Ned's head. And the Hound. I suck.

Carpy

Jacoby wrote: »

Something that hasn't been mentioned about this episode: Arya's kill list. Awesome. Loved the way she added on a few more names later. I feel like I might have missed a name though. What were the names she mentioned?

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I heard ilyne Payne,Joffrey, cersei, and the hound the first time. And she added polivar and the mountain the second. Guessing polivar is either the torturer or the guard who took needle. [\spoiler]

Boring7

Villains, victims, and author appeal stand-ins. That's all youse guys are gettin' in dis here series. So saddles up, 'cuz dere's a long ride ahead.

Jokerman

enlightenedbum wrote: »

Jacoby wrote: »

Something that hasn't been mentioned about this episode: Arya's kill list. Awesome. Loved the way she added on a few more names later. I feel like I might have missed a name though. What were the names she mentioned?

This is by memory, so not 100%: Cersei, Joffrey, The Mountain, Polliver (the interrogator), and I think Jaime was on the list.

EDIT: Ugh, I forgot Ser Ilyn Payne, the dude who actually chopped off Ned's head. And the Hound. I suck.

I didn't think the interrogator was Polliver, I thought he was the tickler.

syndalis

Boring7 wrote: »

Villains, victims, and author appeal stand-ins. That's all youse guys are gettin' in dis here series. So saddles up, 'cuz dere's a long ride ahead.

PoultryGeist

Jokerman wrote: »

enlightenedbum wrote: »

Jacoby wrote: »

Something that hasn't been mentioned about this episode: Arya's kill list. Awesome. Loved the way she added on a few more names later. I feel like I might have missed a name though. What were the names she mentioned?

This is by memory, so not 100%: Cersei, Joffrey, The Mountain, Polliver (the interrogator), and I think Jaime was on the list.

EDIT: Ugh, I forgot Ser Ilyn Payne, the dude who actually chopped off Ned's head. And the Hound. I suck.

I didn't think the interrogator was Polliver, I thought he was the tickler.

I don't remember hearing Polliver but I fully understand him being on the list.
"Joffrey. Cersei. Ilyn Payne. The Hound." was the original list (repeated over).
After the woman begs for food and gets beaten she adds "The Mountain."