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[Presidential Election Thread] All Hail the Liberty Rooster.

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Is the DNC (or party in general) at all responsible for the shitty work conditions in NC? Cause if not, the fuck are they complaining about?

  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    The fact that they are employing people and contracting services from businesses in a union-hostile state.

    Basically, the Unions don't want to give the DNC money to hand to Anti-Union businesses.

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    So what should the DNC do? Honest question.

  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    So what should the DNC do? Honest question.

    "Import" a union from anothr state :D

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    There are literally only two reasons why a party holds their convention in a particular state. Either they're trying to convert a state to their side or they're trying to prevent a state from converting to the other side. The only reason the DNC would choose to hold their convention in North Carolina is because they feel they can make progress in pushing the state more blue. The only reason RNC is holding their convention in Tampa Bay is to try to prevent Florida from flipping blue.

    If unions are pissed with how NC treats unions, is there any other better way to change that than the state becoming more friendly to Democrats during elections???

    There is a third option: Saying "we like the way this state is run and want to show that we support its current course".

    Which by the way is going to be at least part of the story in Tampa.

    Or a fourth option: "we don't really like those nasty unions, we hate them as much as the people of NC do".

    Alternative presentation as: "We are not the Hippie, Union supporting Dems of yesteryear, we are patriotic american supporters of Job Creators. The Real American Heroes"

    The fourth option by the way is pretty much the DNC stance for the last 30 years. The DNC has sold Unions out time and time again. If Union financial support of the DNC was a investment in the Stock Market, the SEC would be involved.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    So what should the DNC do? Honest question.

    "Import" a union from anothr state :D

    You joke, but that's what they want to do. And I think it's honestly not a bad idea.

    What the Unions are pissed about isn't just that North Carolina is a Right To Work state -- it's that the convention committee had previously awarded contracts to non-union firms. That's verbotten in Democratic electoral politics usually; even in right to work states, you always contract your lit printing or services out to a labor-friendly shop.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    So what should the DNC do? Honest question.

    "Import" a union from anothr state :D

    You joke, but that's what they want to do. And I think it's honestly not a bad idea.

    What the Unions are pissed about isn't just that North Carolina is a Right To Work state -- it's that the convention committee had previously awarded contracts to non-union firms. That's verbotten in Democratic electoral politics usually; even in right to work states, you always contract your lit printing or services out to a labor-friendly shop.

    Any time I get a Dem mailer, I look for the bug.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    Magus` wrote: »
    So what should the DNC do? Honest question.

    "Import" a union from anothr state :D

    You joke, but that's what they want to do. And I think it's honestly not a bad idea.

    What the Unions are pissed about isn't just that North Carolina is a Right To Work state -- it's that the convention committee had previously awarded contracts to non-union firms. That's verbotten in Democratic electoral politics usually; even in right to work states, you always contract your lit printing or services out to a labor-friendly shop.

    Any time I get a Dem mailer, I look for the bug.

    Good for you!

    Here's a trick I learned a few years back: whenever I need something fixed in my house -- the plumbings not working, the stairs need fixing, whatever -- if I don't know how to do it myself or don't have the time, I call the nearest relevant union local and ask for a referral for a tradesman. Last time I did this, someone had tried breaking into my house and damaged the doorframe. I called a non-union subcontractor first to ask for a quote to repair the damage, and they said it would cost me about $300. The carpentered I had referred to me through CJA said he would do it for $80. I gave him an even $100 because Jesus did he ever underbid.

  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    What's "the bug?"

    So, after thinking about this on the way home I decided that it's not really in the money that's bothering me. Because like a few people pointed out, it's only the DNC that they are withholding money from not candidates.

    It's more that this is another instance of Dems having to herd cats. You rarely hear about a big conservative constituency withholding their support, but the Dems seem to be pissing off/disagreeing with somebody in their own party every other day. It's exhausting being the "big tent party" sometimes.

  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Also interested in this bug thing.

    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Perhaps he means like an audio bug?

  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    From context I am thinking it is more a printer's mark.

    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
    Water Guns Banned, Handguns Allowed at GOP Convention

    Someone on Reddit made the point that if the Republicans got water on them they would melt, I think that's a good assumption.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Excuse me Florida, but the Constitution says "make no law abridging the right to bear arms" - not firearms, just arms. George Washington wanted me to bring my Supersoaker 300 waterarm wherever I go, and you can't stop me.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    From context I am thinking it is more a printer's mark.

    Yep, specifically the printer union local mark. It's quite distinctive:

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    They're registered trademarks, so any scab shop using them are opening themselves to a world of legal hurt.

    Edit: The Wobbly bug is pretty interesting:

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Why is it called a bug?

    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    One should also remember that the unions are not the DNC's only interest group and it'd be stupid if they only listened to them.

    It'd be great if all fifty states were worker friendly, it really would be.

    But they aren't, and you don't get to piss on the cheerios of millions of voters just because you made a union feel sad on the inside.

    But they are a Democratic interest group. Why can't they criticize the party vocally for doing something they don't agree with? Big business and the politically connected shouldn't have a monopoly on the party's time. America already have one party who does that, it doesn't need two.
    We're playing with live ammo here.

    The Democrats should have thought about that when they decided to hold a convention in an anti-union state. Or at least found a solution to appease them without leaving the state, like the idea of bringing in union members from other states to be employed at the event.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Why is it called a bug?

    Look at the shape, and consider that in normal use, it's only about a half inch long.

    Edit: Here's a good article on the history and rationale for the bug.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    You rarely hear about a big conservative constituency withholding their support, but the Dems seem to be pissing off/disagreeing with somebody in their own party every other day. It's exhausting being the "big tent party" sometimes.

    Um, you just watched Mitt's latest fuckup, right? Because that's what happened there. It's also the same thing that produced Palin.

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  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Um, you just watched Mitt's latest fuckup, right?

    There are so many, you will have to be more specific.

    Some days I just want to smack people with a rolled up newspaper. Or a phone book.
    A folding chair is looking like an attractive option right now too...
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Um, you just watched Mitt's latest fuckup, right?

    There are so many, you will have to be more specific.

    The one where he hired and fired his foreign policy specialist because he batted for the wrong team.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth Registered User regular
    Um, you just watched Mitt's latest fuckup, right?

    There are so many, you will have to be more specific.

    His campaign lost a gay staffer because they were unwilling to stand up to the faction of the party that hates gays. The Republicans are also made up of often incompatible factions (small government, Christian fundamentalists, racists, neocons, a few actual conservatives, the rich), but they do a better job coordinating/pandering/unifying-through-hate than the Democrats.

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  • Magus`Magus` Registered User regular
    Someone needs to do a Photoshop of Jesus teaching the masses, them being a bunch of racist, war happy, asshole GOPers. I mean, apparently they all think Jesus loves them so much.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    Someone needs to do a Photoshop of Jesus teaching the masses, them being a bunch of racist, war happy, asshole GOPers. I mean, apparently they all think Jesus loves them so much.

    The racist asshole GOPers won't get it. To them it wouldn't be a satire, they'd consider it validating their beliefs. Poe's Law strikes again.

  • Boring7Boring7 Registered User regular
    You rarely hear about a big conservative constituency withholding their support, but the Dems seem to be pissing off/disagreeing with somebody in their own party every other day. It's exhausting being the "big tent party" sometimes.

    Um, you just watched Mitt's latest fuckup, right? Because that's what happened there. It's also the same thing that produced Palin.

    I would argue that you hear about a big conservative constituency withholding their support more often, but SEE it far less often. Nobody beats the right at being whiny crybabies screaming about homogays but they still march lock-step when it comes time to vote.

    Meanwhile the left, whether through being ignored or not fighting loudly will not pull the debate back to the left, but will "refuse to vote in protest" because "everyone's corrupt."

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Magus` wrote: »
    Someone needs to do a Photoshop of Jesus teaching the masses, them being a bunch of racist, war happy, asshole GOPers. I mean, apparently they all think Jesus loves them so much.

    Your wish (sort of) is Jesus's command:

    http://teapartyjesus.tumblr.com/

  • SotextliSotextli Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    Magus` wrote: »
    Someone needs to do a Photoshop of Jesus teaching the masses, them being a bunch of racist, war happy, asshole GOPers. I mean, apparently they all think Jesus loves them so much.
    tumblr_m0splcfoMp1r9qinmo1_500.jpg

    I know it's basically the opposite of what you're looking for, but I still love that picture.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    You rarely hear about a big conservative constituency withholding their support, but the Dems seem to be pissing off/disagreeing with somebody in their own party every other day. It's exhausting being the "big tent party" sometimes.

    Um, you just watched Mitt's latest fuckup, right? Because that's what happened there. It's also the same thing that produced Palin.

    yeah, this stuff happens on the right all the time, about stuff much less of a deal than where the convention's going to be

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    funny how information changes the facts that you know
  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    Sotextli wrote: »
    I know it's basically the opposite of what you're looking for, but I still love that picture.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2012
    "there's still time to accept the messiah of freedom, Ron Paul." - from a FB friend pontificating about delegates.

    shit just got real

    He also shared a picture that compares the slavery of African Americans in the 1800s to current US tax code. He's now a lost cause to me. No point in ever trying to debate him about politics ever again.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J Duggan Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Malkor wrote: »
    "there's still time to accept the messiah of freedom, Ron Paul." - from a FB friend pontificating about delegates.

    shit just got real

    He also shared a picture that compares the slavery of African Americans in the 1800s to current US tax code. He's now a lost cause to me. No point in ever trying to debate him about politics ever again.

    Go to his house and smother him with a pillow while he sleeps. Do it, for freedom.

  • HandgimpHandgimp Registered User regular
    So the GOP jumped all over the Chen thing while the situation was very much in flux, invoking near-maximum derp. Now that it looks like the situation is resolved favorably, think there'll be any blowback onto them?

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    No, they'll take credit.

    Reality doesn't exist for them. Whatever happens, if it's good its because they were there and if it was bad it was because OBAMA

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  • TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Tcheldor wrote: »

    Blind squirrel, nuts, etc.

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  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    Tcheldor wrote: »
    “He was like, ‘Here I am, I’m black and I’m proud,’ ” said Lesia Felsoci, a bank employee drinking a beer in an Applebee’s. “To me, he didn’t have a platform. Black people voted him in, that’s why he won. It was black ignorance.”
    Goddamnit.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    The headline could just as easily have read, "220 years later, race still 3/5ths of an issue to some voters."

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Tcheldor wrote: »
    “He was like, ‘Here I am, I’m black and I’m proud,’ ” said Lesia Felsoci, a bank employee drinking a beer in an Applebee’s. “To me, he didn’t have a platform. Black people voted him in, that’s why he won. It was black ignorance.”
    Goddamnit.

    4 years later, racists still racist and pretending that they aren't

    Your puny weapons are useless against me
  • AtomikaAtomika If you gotta PS4 raise both handsRegistered User regular
    "To me, he didn't have a platform. He beat out two very popular primary candidates with a lot of experience between them, and statistically black voters make up about 4% of the Democrat's constituency, and went on to defeat a very popular moderate Republican in the general, but to me, it's totally about race.

    "Because I'm an idiot."

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Tcheldor wrote: »
    “He was like, ‘Here I am, I’m black and I’m proud,’ ” said Lesia Felsoci, a bank employee drinking a beer in an Applebee’s. “To me, he didn’t have a platform. Black people voted him in, that’s why he won. It was black ignorance.”
    Goddamnit.

    love it.

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