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  • DeebaserDeebaser Lead Frog Rammer Fake Board GamerRegistered User regular
    I'm pretty sure a forumer could write an iPhone app that could handle another Apollo Launch.

    Holy shit. Apple has money.... someone should pitch this.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Kalkino wrote: »
    I think our ability to terraform any other place is rather constrained by our ability to send at best very small amounts of anything to them, at great expense

    That'll improve.

    Not really, given the current pattern of behavior vis a vis space and science spending.

    We're likely going to go backwards on space technology for the next fifty years or so. We already got rid of reusable space ships, and we're one delete key from getting rid of Apollo era technology.

    I don't have much hope for space exploration in the near future.

    What that does mean is that in fifty years President A Man From Earth will be able to launch a brilliant new space program using 100 year old technology that will have been rediscovered.

    Getting rid of the space shuttle wasn't a step backwards. They weren't good ideas.


    And in fifty years, we will have better technology. We will be better at everything. That is what we do.

    Can I introduce you to modern western civilization?

    The boomers have thrown there hands up in the air and said "welp, we had it good but somehow things are shit for everyone after us"

    I would very much like that not to be the case, and I plan on doing everything I can to keep it from being the case, but current trends would say that we're entering a period of voluntary decline.

    We're at a liminal period in history. We can chose Star Trek or Mad Max right now to head toward and the people in charge are going for the cheaper, more Australian one. It's just a question on whether or not the rest of us are going to stop them.

    Modern american civilization, is what you are talking about. You are talking about small irrelevant political eddies in one nation, here.

    And what trends. What trends are saying science in america is dying? That progress will halt? It doesn't! It never does!

    The world is generally and on balance, a better place to live this year than it was last year.

    Your pessimism is stupid.

    Right, cause Europe is so much better right now at that whole "lost generation thing"

    And certainly the nerfing of the space program in the richest and most space programy country doesn't matter.

    Your optimism is stupid.

    This is what happens when Republicans grow bitter and turn their faces from the core of our political identity: America, Fuck Yeah.

    AMFE: America!

    Fuck yeah.

    spool32 on
  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    bailing out to Mars because of Earth's problems makes zero sense. Even at the worse we can throw at it Earth will always be more suitable to life than Mars. Maybe have a colony there just because but it's stupid to think we could just up and move there in significant numbers.

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    AManFromEarth you are making very long term predictions on a few superficial data points.

  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Harrisonburg, VARegistered User regular
    Spoiler:

    "I will pee on your shoes for making me do this."
    "Oh hi! I have a basket!"

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Dynagrip wrote: »
    bailing out to Mars because of Earth's problems makes zero sense. Even at the worse we can throw at it Earth will always be more suitable to life than Mars. Maybe have a colony there just because but it's stupid to think we could just up and move there in significant numbers.
    The only reason to colonize mars would be because we have already colonized the moon, as both have a similar chance of sustaining life outside at this point.

    Honestly, neither of those locations should be civilian, but rather military or transport. Staging areas to extend our reach further. the kinds of ships we could build in a lower gravity environment that involves less strain to escape the gravity well would be inspiring.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.

    Culture, science, and quality of living doesn't trend upward for always, it needs to be protected.

    Standard of living is going to be lower for every post Boomer generation and they keep stopping us from doing the things necessary to fix them. That's the trend I was talking about.

    It's a solvable thing, I agree, and most of the time I think we'll be able to kick its ass and am optimistic, but ignoring the problem is goosey.

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    My iTunes seek bar has gone nuts. hmm.

  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I hope this company isn't a bunch of bullshit.

    http://www.coolplanetbiofuels.com/

    I'd love to be a part of their team. Climate change is like one of the top 3 threats to mankind right now and it'd be awesome to be at the forefront of fighting it. Alas. maybe I should get a master's in environmental science. But I want something big picture. not helping design a widget for a pump or whatever.

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury *~ Have a Magical day ~* Purveyor of Pixelly PalsRegistered User regular
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.

    Culture, science, and quality of living doesn't trend upward for always, it needs to be protected.

    Standard of living is going to be lower for every post Boomer generation and they keep stopping us from doing the things necessary to fix them. That's the trend I was talking about.

    It's a solvable thing, I agree, and most of the time I think we'll be able to kick its ass and am optimistic, but ignoring the problem is goosey.

    Didn't Science march on in China and even the Eastern Empire during the Dark Ages?

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure a forumer could write an iPhone app that could handle another Apollo Launch.

    Holy shit. Apple has money.... someone should pitch this.

    Kerbal Space Program is already training a new generation of astronauts.

  • DeebaserDeebaser Lead Frog Rammer Fake Board GamerRegistered User regular
    Going to Mars seems really really really hard.

    I am basing this opinion solely on my experience with Kerbal Space Program.

  • bowenbowen Registered User regular
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    The largest problem. Can you create a magnetosphere, I wonder?

  • ThomamelasThomamelas “Three films a day, three books a week and records of great music would be enough to make me happy to the day I die.” Registered User regular
    Today is gonna be a quiet day in the office.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.
    I'm pretty sure I've heard this called out as a misrepresentation of the times by the medieval historians I know.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Maybe we should skip over Mars and just go to Titan?

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Kalkino wrote: »
    I think our ability to terraform any other place is rather constrained by our ability to send at best very small amounts of anything to them, at great expense

    That'll improve.

    Not really, given the current pattern of behavior vis a vis space and science spending.

    We're likely going to go backwards on space technology for the next fifty years or so. We already got rid of reusable space ships, and we're one delete key from getting rid of Apollo era technology.

    I don't have much hope for space exploration in the near future.

    What that does mean is that in fifty years President A Man From Earth will be able to launch a brilliant new space program using 100 year old technology that will have been rediscovered.

    Getting rid of the space shuttle wasn't a step backwards. They weren't good ideas.


    And in fifty years, we will have better technology. We will be better at everything. That is what we do.

    Can I introduce you to modern western civilization?

    The boomers have thrown there hands up in the air and said "welp, we had it good but somehow things are shit for everyone after us"

    I would very much like that not to be the case, and I plan on doing everything I can to keep it from being the case, but current trends would say that we're entering a period of voluntary decline.

    We're at a liminal period in history. We can chose Star Trek or Mad Max right now to head toward and the people in charge are going for the cheaper, more Australian one. It's just a question on whether or not the rest of us are going to stop them.

    Modern american civilization, is what you are talking about. You are talking about small irrelevant political eddies in one nation, here.

    And what trends. What trends are saying science in america is dying? That progress will halt? It doesn't! It never does!

    The world is generally and on balance, a better place to live this year than it was last year.

    Your pessimism is stupid.

    Right, cause Europe is so much better right now at that whole "lost generation thing"

    And certainly the nerfing of the space program in the richest and most space programy country doesn't matter.

    Your optimism is stupid.

    The fuck are you talking about? "Lost generation"?

    and technological progress isn't lost or halted just because you're stopping your space program. Not even close.

    It was a boon to general scientific progress of the world, but losing it just means a little less progress, not decline.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    We're never going to find protean technology unless we get off this damned planet.

    spool32 on
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.
    I'm pretty sure I've heard this called out as a misrepresentation of the times by the medieval historians I know.

    Would you rather be alive in ancient Greece or medieval England?
    Spoiler:

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  • bowenbowen Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.
    I'm pretty sure I've heard this called out as a misrepresentation of the times by the medieval historians I know.

    It is, the learning centers were shifted. It was no longer Europe and more Constantinople that became the centers of thought and philosophy. Which moved to Jerusalem, then back to Europe with the Renaissance.

    The medieval period was pretty scientific, it was just mostly not the white people doing the science.

  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    The largest problem. Can you create a magnetosphere, I wonder?

    The magnetic field around planets is caused by the dynamo effect of the core's rotation inside the planet.

    So blow nukes up down there to get the core moving again!

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    It blows very, very, very slowly away.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser Lead Frog Rammer Fake Board GamerRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    spool32 wrote: »
    We're never going to find protean technology unless we get off this damned planet.

    Have you finished 3? It really isn't worth it. :)

    Not a spoiler, just an LOL Mass Effect 3's ending was bad.

    Deebaser on
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.
    I'm pretty sure I've heard this called out as a misrepresentation of the times by the medieval historians I know.

    Would you rather be alive in ancient Greece or medieval England?
    Spoiler:

    There are more places than Greece and England! I would rather live in medieval Baghdad or Shanghai

  • bowenbowen Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    The largest problem. Can you create a magnetosphere, I wonder?

    The magnetic field around planets is caused by the dynamo effect of the core's rotation inside the planet.

    So blow nukes up down there to get the core moving again!

    Is that all it would take? Makes sense in theory since the orbit of the planet would help shift the core and keep it moving. Without an active tectonic system wouldn't it eventually stop again? Assuming it has a core that can be liquid. Hm. How the hell does the core stay liquid? Seems like it would get solid pretty quickly.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    We're never going to find protean technology unless we get off this damned planet.

    Have you finished 3? It really isn't worth it. :)

    Not a spoiler, just an LOL Mass Effect 3's ending was bad.

    bah. I'm really worried at this point that I'll have ME3's ending specifically because I've been told it was bad so very many times.

    Counting on my natural contrariness to help me enjoy the game!

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.
    I'm pretty sure I've heard this called out as a misrepresentation of the times by the medieval historians I know.

    Would you rather be alive in ancient Greece or medieval England?
    Spoiler:

    There are more places than Greece and England! I would rather live in medieval Baghdad or Shanghai
    Spoiler:

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    And science most certainly does halt. The dark ages, for one, it took until the renaissance for us to relearn things that the Greeks and Romans knew.

    Culture, science, and quality of living doesn't trend upward for always, it needs to be protected.

    Standard of living is going to be lower for every post Boomer generation and they keep stopping us from doing the things necessary to fix them. That's the trend I was talking about.

    It's a solvable thing, I agree, and most of the time I think we'll be able to kick its ass and am optimistic, but ignoring the problem is goosey.

    I haven't seen this trend you're talking about. Income disparity is widening in the US, sure, but standards of living are better.

    Standard of living in the world is most decidedly going up.

    That view of the dark ages is a misinterpretation of history anyway.

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    i love that race in the cerberus news network updates that discovers spaceflight just before the reapers' arrival

    fuck y'all we were never here

    blow up our spaceships

    pretend we never saw any of this

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  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    The largest problem. Can you create a magnetosphere, I wonder?

    The magnetic field around planets is caused by the dynamo effect of the core's rotation inside the planet.

    So blow nukes up down there to get the core moving again!

    Is that all it would take? Makes sense in theory since the orbit of the planet would help shift the core and keep it moving. Without an active tectonic system wouldn't it eventually stop again? Assuming it has a core that can be liquid. Hm. How the hell does the core stay liquid? Seems like it would get solid pretty quickly.

    IIRC, ours remains the way it is because of how thick and dense our planet is. Mars being smaller would have cooled faster, same with the moon. But I am not a Scientist.

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    The largest problem. Can you create a magnetosphere, I wonder?

    The magnetic field around planets is caused by the dynamo effect of the core's rotation inside the planet.

    So blow nukes up down there to get the core moving again!

    Is that all it would take? Makes sense in theory since the orbit of the planet would help shift the core and keep it moving. Without an active tectonic system wouldn't it eventually stop again? Assuming it has a core that can be liquid. Hm. How the hell does the core stay liquid? Seems like it would get solid pretty quickly.

    Well I was kidding about the nukes. Keeping the core moving and resuming tectonic activity is what's necessary for the magnetosphere to be rebuilt though.

  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    We're never going to find protean technology unless we get off this damned planet.

    Have you finished 3? It really isn't worth it. :)

    Not a spoiler, just an LOL Mass Effect 3's ending was bad.

    bah. I'm really worried at this point that I'll have ME3's ending specifically because I've been told it was bad so very many times.

    Counting on my natural contrariness to help me enjoy the game!

    They're giving us free DLC that expands the ending, I'm told.

    This would, actually, fix all my problems with it. Everyone else is being stupid.

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  • SarksusSarksus Registered User regular
    ME3 came in the mail two weeks ago and I still haven't started it.

  • bowenbowen Registered User regular
    The fall of the Roman Empire was pretty drastic to Europe as far as I knew, which is why it was "the dark ages" lots of independent areas, gothic/lombard/islamic invasions, no more communication like you had with Rome, it was chaos.

    This was the Islamic Renaissance though.

  • DynagripDynagrip destroy everything you touch Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    Kalkino wrote: »
    I think our ability to terraform any other place is rather constrained by our ability to send at best very small amounts of anything to them, at great expense

    That'll improve.

    Not really, given the current pattern of behavior vis a vis space and science spending.

    We're likely going to go backwards on space technology for the next fifty years or so. We already got rid of reusable space ships, and we're one delete key from getting rid of Apollo era technology.

    I don't have much hope for space exploration in the near future.

    What that does mean is that in fifty years President A Man From Earth will be able to launch a brilliant new space program using 100 year old technology that will have been rediscovered.

    Getting rid of the space shuttle wasn't a step backwards. They weren't good ideas.


    And in fifty years, we will have better technology. We will be better at everything. That is what we do.

    Can I introduce you to modern western civilization?

    The boomers have thrown there hands up in the air and said "welp, we had it good but somehow things are shit for everyone after us"

    I would very much like that not to be the case, and I plan on doing everything I can to keep it from being the case, but current trends would say that we're entering a period of voluntary decline.

    We're at a liminal period in history. We can chose Star Trek or Mad Max right now to head toward and the people in charge are going for the cheaper, more Australian one. It's just a question on whether or not the rest of us are going to stop them.

    Modern american civilization, is what you are talking about. You are talking about small irrelevant political eddies in one nation, here.

    And what trends. What trends are saying science in america is dying? That progress will halt? It doesn't! It never does!

    The world is generally and on balance, a better place to live this year than it was last year.

    Your pessimism is stupid.

    Right, cause Europe is so much better right now at that whole "lost generation thing"

    And certainly the nerfing of the space program in the richest and most space programy country doesn't matter.

    Your optimism is stupid.

    The shuttle needed to be shut down and Constellation was an awful program from start to finish. The current plan, to get SpaceX and company up and running is the best option out there. NASA shouldn't be designing new rockets. They should be coming up with mission architectures that can use the existing plethora of rockets. We know we can assemble shit in space, just look at the ISS. The SLS is completely unnecessary and a joke. even if it gets built (which it never will) there won't be a payload for it to launch or a mission to support. It'll be horrendously expensive to operate and SpaceX will likely beat it to the punch with the heavy lift version of the Falcon. Basically NASA is doing a great job at what it was designed to do, which is pour money into certain congressional districts. Advancing mankind's presence in space, not so much its strength.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Mass Effect 3 ending: "Congraturation! You are winner!"

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  • AbdhyiusAbdhyius Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    The largest problem. Can you create a magnetosphere, I wonder?

    The magnetic field around planets is caused by the dynamo effect of the core's rotation inside the planet.

    So blow nukes up down there to get the core moving again!

    Is that all it would take? Makes sense in theory since the orbit of the planet would help shift the core and keep it moving. Without an active tectonic system wouldn't it eventually stop again? Assuming it has a core that can be liquid. Hm. How the hell does the core stay liquid? Seems like it would get solid pretty quickly.

    It takes a very, very, very long time for something as big and as hot as earth to cool down. Radioactive decay makes the process even slower.

    Mars is a lot smaller, so it cooled a lot faster.


    Also I'm pretty sure we have something like a billionth of the amount of nukes we'd need to melt Mars' core.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    The problem is without a magnetosphere any atmosphere you throw at it will blow away

    we would need to go The Core on its ass

    The largest problem. Can you create a magnetosphere, I wonder?

    The magnetic field around planets is caused by the dynamo effect of the core's rotation inside the planet.

    So blow nukes up down there to get the core moving again!

    Is that all it would take? Makes sense in theory since the orbit of the planet would help shift the core and keep it moving. Without an active tectonic system wouldn't it eventually stop again? Assuming it has a core that can be liquid. Hm. How the hell does the core stay liquid? Seems like it would get solid pretty quickly.

    It takes a very, very, very long time for something as big and as hot as earth to cool down. Radioactive decay makes the process even slower.

    Mars is a lot smaller, so it cooled a lot faster.


    Also I'm pretty sure we have something like a billionth of the amount of nukes we'd need to melt Mars' core.

    It appears that our solution, then, is a massive nuclear buildup!

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